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Aqualung

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I don't know why, but this issue doesn't really seem to bother me. Maybe just because I know they aren't targeting me- or maybe because I just like to see the look on the cashier's face when I walk up to the counter with a copy of Call of Duty. But I think that, when they target 'gamer girls', it's moreso the casual ten year old girl and her soccer mom. I mean, if they placed Barbie's Horse Adventures next to Gears of War, it's not exactly going to sell unless it's out there in the open, is it? Little girls don't want to browse a store to find what they're looking for, but rather want something to catch their eye and immediately buy.
 

Damian_TF

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That games for girls thing is just annoying (Personally, I'm a young man but I'm really good at empathising with people). They look dumb, they sound annoying, and are utterly useless. What's worse is that they only perpetuate a viscious cycle: male gamers see "games for girls" and assume that those are the games they like; true female gamers are discouraged from developing due to the frillyness of so-called, "games for girlsl;" little girls get the frilly games from ignorant relatives; more frilly games are made; repeat.

Personally, I do not subscribe to this cycle. If I see a girl playing 360, Wii, or with a DS (not PS3, because I'm not a Sony boy), I want to know more about her. I have seen very few gamer girls, but the ones I have seen I like. After all, having a life companion and someone to play games with in one would be theideal bride for a gamer like me.
 

Altorin

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It's an iffy stereotype, but really, it's a stereotype for a reason

honestly, If you put Ms Pac-Man, Centipede, and The Sims in there, and nothing else, you'd pretty much be spot on for "games for girls".

Those are the games that have been insanely successful with female gamers, and less-so for male gamers. Sure, there are some men who LOVE the Sims, and there are some women who LOVE Call of Duty.. but if we're playing the numbers, bet that a girl gamer plays the Sims is a pretty safe bet.
 

LornMind

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Yeah, the games for girls thing makes me rage.

For one, the games themselves are usually total crap, but the overlaying idea I always have is that this is stupid, stereotypical bullshit.

Samus Aran kicks ass, but leaving her suit to parade around virtually naked is as unnecessary as much as it is impractical. Whenever I'm on Live and I'm playing with a girl, I think one thing: "Oh cool, a girl is playing." Then I go on playing; its just a girl. It's not like there's something that keeps girls from being good at games. If I get beaten by a girl, who cares!? Getting beaten by a koala is something I'd be much angrier over.

Sexism ultimately pervades society and so it pervades games; it's how its structured. It isn't fair, it isn't right, and it'll be a while before it dissipates. Fortunately, the games medium requires fresh and new ideas, so I keep hope alive that all forms of badassery will rise from female characters in the future and hopefully we'll see some males that actually need saving for once.

Personally, I do everything in my power to keep my sister from crap-ass games. "What the hell is that? Veterinarian? Put that back. Grab something better."
 

Meta Like That

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Matronadena said:
when it comes to marketing it's been very split, and very few companies seem to want to bridge that gap. It's bad enough that to be half taken serious in the world of comics/manga that I had to adopt a male pen-name just to get the slightest attention half the time, even when the work itself has not changed.
I find this ironic as hell, because I've experienced it myself from the consumer side. Finding out who an author or artist is and being wowed by it actually being a woman, when most female authors' and artists' styles I come across being unappealing. Both on the US and Japanese sides.
 

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i walked into my grocery store and can you believe it, they had RAZORS GEARED TOWARDS MEN!!!! What's next???? Underwear for men!????? I am livid.
 

SenseOfTumour

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I believe it is down to us being an immature art form still, partly to blame are the makers, partly the mass media for believing we're all kids who play games, and partly us, for continuing to buy stereotypical crap.

Unfortunately all the time 'My First Pony' outsells Ico, the makers are gonna make more 3d pony models for their next game.

It's the same reason sex doesnt sit well in gaming, and the same reason we're so slammed for adult content 'think of the children!'.

We're just not accepted as a mainstream form of entertainment yet, and until we all make some moves towards proving that we are, it's not going to change, and I think it'll be a slow process. At the moment, for every Mirror's Edge or Half Life 2 pushing us a step closer to showing we can maturely handle females in gaming, there's a Dead or Alive pushing us a dozen steps back, and you know which one is going to get the press coverage.
 

Stalk3rchief

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I'm not so much against girls gaming as I am against idiot gamers in general. The majority of girls you meet online act like they're super special just because they ARE girls. I admit, some girls don't talk as much and are quite good players, and more power to them.
But every time I come across one of those giggling little dick magnets that call themselves gamers, I feel sick to my stomach.
"I'm a girl, and I'm playing a video game... But I'm a girl... and I'm playing a VIDEO GAME![pay attention to me now plox]"
It's just silly how many girls play games JUST to be known as a girl that plays video games instead of playing for fun or for the thrill of competition like normal gamers do.
 

historybuff

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I don't like those sorts of games and the label of being 'cute' or 'for girls'. I enjoyed playing Grand Theft Auto, Halo and Silent Hill and all of my female friends that are gamers enjoy them too. In our circle of friends, none of the guys question our skills but outside the group--definitely. Guys definitely assume that we suck or are at least worse then them or they assume that we're not as competitive and will let them win (another myth).

But then again, we're young women--not 8 year old girls.
 

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Meta Like That said:
Matronadena said:
when it comes to marketing it's been very split, and very few companies seem to want to bridge that gap. It's bad enough that to be half taken serious in the world of comics/manga that I had to adopt a male pen-name just to get the slightest attention half the time, even when the work itself has not changed.
I find this ironic as hell, because I've experienced it myself from the consumer side. Finding out who an author or artist is and being wowed by it actually being a woman, when most female authors' and artists' styles I come across being unappealing. Both on the US and Japanese sides.
Yup.. most think on both sides that women writers/artists will do more the light hearted storyies.. and while that may be true in some cases there are many female writers and artists who can do very dark,serious,adventure based work with no showing of their " female stereotypes"

even though it's a young series and Im just now working on chapter 5, and havenot had the time yet to really bring in the main stoy yet ( just getting past introducing the main cast) 2039 hani ( spirit of rebellion) is a pretty dark look into humanity, is very violent, course language, what romance that is planned is more realistic, and not soap opera... and a little hint, that the end of this series is NOT going to be a happy merry one as one may expect, more bitter sweet.

when I used my real name to this the idea really did not get much attention....I came up with a male pen-name using my brothers first name, and my son's last name and " boom" its more sellable.

on the same note I know ALOT of male writers who take on female pen names when working on certain projects that are more expected to be " womans-fields"
 

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Another reason why I don't think this issue will ever change is because there are (I assume, 'cause I'm not a girl) so many opinions on what makes a good female protagonist. Some are just happy that their chest isn't bigger than a watermelon. Others cry for a more "realistic" personality. This varies from genre to genre of course, and there are already exceptions (Dreamfall, Beyond G&E). Ultimately, whatever good ones that make it through the development gauntlet, already have more odds stacked against them with the market being flooded with the crap I mentioned earlier.

And then there's the matter of the game actually being any fucking good.
 

PSORaine

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I don't know what the big deal is. I'm a 29 year old woman who plays and has a higher gamerscore than most of the guys I come across in 360 forums. What does it matter if they want to market a game about Barbie or Bratz for little girls? Who else would buy the games? Little boys? Grown men or women? No. Girls. I think the problem here is actually that some of you use the word girl to describe yourself. Have you gone through puberty? Then you are no longer a girl. Use chick if you must, use young lady, but for the love of god STOP REFERRING TO YOURSELF AS A GIRL.

I turn 30 in September. I'm not a gamer girl. I'm a grown woman who has grown up loving games since all the way back when I WAS a gamer girl. I have an 8 year old daughter who plays games. She loves Sonic and Mario, and all the petz games, and Girls Game Room, and Pet Vet and all those other terrible titles you would never catch anyone over the age of 10 playing. I have no problem with her wanting those games. #1, at least she's gaming and #2, I'd rather she wait until she was at least 12 to watch humans and aliens being dismembered.


Not every girl feels the need to be "anti-girly" and that's FINE. These games create more gamers than what we would have if the only games out there were head splattering gore fests. This contributes to gaming becoming more socially acceptable. I have NEVER gotten a weird look from a cashier when I purchased a game. I've NEVER been ignored when I spoke about games. I get in conversations with people about games, give my opinions, talk about what I like, and I've never once been treated as more or less than just another gamer.

I feel bad for guys who game, because they're subjected to some of these "I'm a gamer girl" threads, and the need girls have even on the INTERNET to bring attention to the fact they are GIRLS WHO GAME. I shut off that BS games for girls review after less than a minute. It was TERRIBLE! Not the game, I didn't get a chance to even watch that. That girl's VOICE. Ugh! Nails on a chalkboard! Why is she punishing us by reviewing games that no self respecting person over the age of 13 should buy ANYWAY??? No one would listen to that garbage if it was a boy who posted it. Girls don't want equal treatment, they want to be acknowledged and idolized.

Threads like this... they actually do keep the "gamer girl" stereotype alive. Because even on the INTERNET we feel the need to announce we have boobs? Look, ladies... you aren't alone. You aren't pioneers for femininity. You aren't an anomaly. You're a gamer. Deal with it.
 

sprohm

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thats just the problem with this kind of shit, when someone hears of a girl gamer, they immediately think:
"Oh, that chick says she is a gamer. what she means by that is probably that she enjoys playing bejewled or nintendogs inbetween doing the laundry, making food, and gossiping for hours about fashion with her friends."
thats the problem with this country (america), 86% of all people are retards.
 

PSORaine

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sprohm said:
thats just the problem with this kind of shit, when someone hears of a girl gamer, they immediately think:
"Oh, that chick says she is a gamer. what she means by that is probably that she enjoys playing bejewled or nintendogs inbetween doing the laundry, making food, and gossiping for hours about fashion with her friends."
thats the problem with this country (america), 86% of all people are retards.
I'm sure you have something to back your statistics there -_-

When I hear gamer girl I think of a 10 year old. When I hear some chick on a forum saying gamer girl, I immediately think "emotionally stunted attention wh*re."

I've never met a guy who makes threads about being "gamer boys" or introduces himself saying "I'm a guy who games."

And I happen to like Bejeweled and Nintendogs. When I need a break from serious gaming I pull out my DS. And I do laundry and make food. I'm a mom.
 

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Anyone else feeling the flames?

Come on sing with me "Kum Bay Yah, My Lord, Kum Bay Yah"
 

Meta Like That

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PSORaine said:
I think the problem here is actually that some of you use the word girl to describe yourself. Have you gone through puberty? Then you are no longer a girl. Use chick if you must, use young lady, but for the love of god STOP REFERRING TO YOURSELF AS A GIRL.

Funny you should mention that.... [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.96770?page=1]


Awesome first post, by the way. *applauds*
 

hippo24

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Having a stand devoted for girls isn't really that bad, because honestly who plays a Veterinarian game except small girls. Its no different then having a shirt stand with "Shirts for Girls" on it. Its not really that bad, 99% of little girls are going to be more enthusiastic about dogs and dolls, then race cars and power rangers.

Also, you as a serious female gamer represent the minority of women, and a store letting people know that "Yes, girls can play too", isn't really a bad thing, if anything its a step in the right direction.

Now If the sign had read: Games for females, and was a rack of Cooking Mama a mile high, then you might be able to get upset.
 

twintail

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PSORaine said:
What does it matter if they want to market a game about Barbie or Bratz for little girls? Who else would buy the games? Little boys? Grown men or women? No. Girls.
Does Hello kitty count as one of those?
Becuse I enjoy playing the "roller rescue" one...
 

soren7550

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I get crap like that all the time. One time I was at a game stop and someone was going to make the horrible mistake of buying Loony Toons:ACME Arsenal for the Wii. I greatly warned them to get something that wouldn't make their eyes bleed and they just stared at me as if I just asked for their kid to give me a BJ.
And any guys in school hear me talking about games in great detail, they just can't wrap it around their heads that I live this kind of thing. They just stair in disbelief.

Here's a fun fact people: Just because I got ovaries, doesn't mean I don't know shit about games. (don't mean I can't play them either.)