tdylan said:
Thunderous Cacophony said:
Revolutionary said:
I think at a certain point disfigurement becomes a logistical problem for the make-up department so they have to take some liberties with the books.
Sure, cutting off Tyrion's nose is hard, but it's pretty straightforward to make
a good-looking person look
pretty awful. If nothing else, they could blacken up Reek's teeth or otherwise give him some physical signs of the abuse he suffered.
Christian Bale can do that for a MOVIE. Ain't no actor gonna do that for a potentially (haven't read the books) long running TV series. Can you imagine if "The Machinist" was a series, and you had to do that to your body every season?
I'm also not familiar with the GoT tv series, but film is a visual medium so despite the amount of effort and expense to make someone look grotesque for a tv series, there's also continuity issues, I suppose. Also, the audience is shallow. They want "beautiful" ugly people.
I'm now familiar with "yaoi manga," so thank you for that, I think.
Well, strictly speaking it's not that big a deal. When you get down to it you've had some substantial makeup jobs done for long running TV shows, mostly in the science-fiction area. Michael Dorn playing Worf is one example, as is D'argo on Farscape. As a general rule this tends to be more of a problem with women, as apparently the actress who played Zhaan in "Farscape" (Virginia Hey I believe) because of the extensive makeup and body paint so asked to have her character killed. While the name eludes me, allegedly the lady who played Delenn on Babylon 5 basically told the creator that they would either write things so she could get by with more partial makeup, or she was leaving, so at least the part of her becoming a human-minbari hybrid was added, though it sort of fit with the rest of the show. Neither of those are confirmed though, just things I've heard over the years. I'm sure there have probably been dudes who have complained but none that really fit into high profile rumors. I'm guessing that it's because girls want to be seen as pretty and look more like themselves, and that's hard to do from behind tons of monster makeup.
That said, if they want to deform Tyrion for a long period of time, I'd imagine it would be relatively simplistic. Apparently as time went on shows like "Star Trek" made a lot of re-usable prosthetics to rapidly turn people into Klingons and Cardiassians (though the quality, especially for some of the supporting characters, varied from episode to episode, and even scene to scene depending on the job the makeup guys were doing). As long as your not going to be more judgemental than trekkies (dealing with a show with massive budget problems over the years apparently), I'd imagine it would be a simple matter to make re-usable prosthetics for Reek and Tyrion that include their facial deformities and work around them. Game Of Thrones is only producing like 10 episodes a year, compared to some sci-fi shows which have run over twice that many in a seasons, so I imagine it's not going to be as much of a chore for either the actors or FX guys.
I'd imagine it's mostly a clash between what's popular on the TV show and what's accurate to the books, which has been a recurring issue. Ongoing TV shows oftentimes being driven by what's popular and catches on. To use another Trek example apparently the whole "Data's quest to be more human" was greatly expanded and inserted into more episodes than originally intended. When Voyager had some ratings problems they decided to try and take a popular idea, and created "Seven Of Nine" both to replace Jennifer Lien as "the sexy" on the show and to revive a kind of story arc they knew would appeal to people and was easy to write, without totally duplicating Data by having another android with the same exact issue or whatever. In the case of Game Of Thrones they can't just generally decide "okay, we're going to do this, introduce a character and storyline like this, and give this character people like a bigger role". All of the horrible things that happen to people in GoT and the death of established, likable, characters are pretty much anathema to the usual process that happens with TV shows, and I guess the Penny Pinchers are yet again concerned about the bottom line when it comes to radically changing elements that keep people watching.
I'd also say that Yaoi is generally just man on man gay stuff. As a general rule *GURO* is the stuff that's heavily about mutilation, snuff, and extreme, disfiguring, sexy torture. Although erotic conventions can overlap of course. English doesn't seem to have the same kind of label there, which is why you'll see stuff like Dofantasy's works (Fansadox comics) including their "sickest comics" line just generally falling under BDSM although some of it (and all of it under "sickest") goes beyond sadistic bondage-domination porn. Not a huge fan, but I have some awareness of it (and Dofantasy / Fansadox is hetero as far as I've seen, so it's not a perfect analogy)... but yeah, the description does sound a lot like guro-themed yaoi, albeit without anyone being tortured to death for sexual pleasure during or surrounded actual sex acts.
