Game of Thrones - Who do YOU want on the Iron Throne?

[TheRightToArmBears]

Calling it now, Jaime will kill Cersie (unless she dies in one of the books I haven't got to reading yet).

That's pretty much a dead certainty isn't it? Maggy the Frog foretold that she would be killed by her 'little brother' and A) Everything else she said has been pretty on the money and B) Tyrion would be too obvious, especially given that we know Cersei was born before Jaime.

To be fair, I could totally get behind Jaime for king, given the way he's going. He's definitely grown from the massive douche he was at the start of GoT. He's an experienced and effective leader, between Tyrion and him they could probably rule the shit out of Westeros.

 

[Hawki]

Can I say no-one?

Think about it - the only reason the Iron Throne came into existence was because of the Targaryens and their dragons. Dragons being the whole reason they could get the other kingdoms to bend the knee. After losing their dragons, and with the Targaryens being hit or miss as rulers, it's probably inevitable that rebellion would occur, Robert's or otherwise. And sixteen years later, we've seen how a single succession can trigger yet another civil war.

So yes. I'd say let the kingdoms go their separate ways. Westeros is simply too large and too divided for a central authority to exist. That generates its own problems, but at this point, I'd say the current system is beyond saving. The North's facing winter, the Lannisters are in debt, the Vale doesn't even care at this point, Dorne wants revenge, the Riverlands are in ruin, and the Reach has cast in its lot with the crown, so they're going to get flak from Dorne as well most likely. So...yeah. To quote another series that features winter prominently, "let it go."

 

[balladbird]

Stannis, naturally! His black-and-white personality would normally be a turn off for me, but he's the only character who has consistently worked for the good of his realm, and has proven his intelligence and valor many times over.

I don't dislike Dany, but if she were really determined to claim the throne her family lost, she would already be there. Instead, she's wasted 5 books and counting (okay, so she wasn't in book 4, but still) playing great emancipator of some other country, forcing her westerosi values on other cultures, and toppling governments with no replacement proposed, then wondering why things turn to crap when she leaves.

Come to think of it, I think she'd be a pretty horrible queen. O.O


So yeah, Stannis! Granted, this is George R.R. Martin, and in his universe the assholes tend to be the only ones who get ahead, so I'm sure in the end it'll be littlefinger on the throne with Ramsay Bolton as his hand.

 

[Xeros]

Not that I think he'd be a good king, but he's such a fun psychopath.

That's why Roose Bolton needs to take the throne, so Ramsay can do his thing without being bogged down by politics.

OT: Gotta throw my vote to Roose Bolton. Not a single character on the show is fit to lead, so we may as well turn it over to the pyschos.

 

[Pinkamena]

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Are we talking Celestia as she appears in the show, or a Celestia that would fit more into the story? Because I don't see her lasting very long if it's the former.

 

[Lightknight]

Consolidated power is overrated. Melt the iron throne down and use it as backing for six smaller thrones and then set up some sort of a union. Clearly the world of game of thrones is not ready for central government.

 

[Auberon]

Only concrete evidence of Jon's biological parents is "not Cat" and as far as I know, mother candidate is drawn from Ned's reactions to any "who is it" queries she asked.

Oh, and the original topic. Stannis the Mannis is the king Westeros needs, but not the one it deserves. Who else remembered Protector of the Realm bit?

 

[conmag9]

Tyrion would be good if he could keep it...which I'm not too sure on. He's a patricidal manipulator and his enemies would use that against him, no matter how good he'd be at it (being the right combination of smart, ruthless and decent).

Stannis would be a bit more stable. Blood right is irrelevent, but he'd produce a climate totally opposed to the backstabbing politics. He's not subtle enough to deal with that, he'd just smash it to pieces. Again, this would be a hard rule to actually sustain, although much easier than Tyrions. The primary problem would be his lack of an male heir and his crazy fire priestess. Mil would provide a few new options, but she'd promote a similar reaction to the Mad King with the whole "burn all who oppose me" thing. Shame. Davos would make a good Hand, I think.

Dany's destined for nothing good, I think. She's slowly but surely sinking into her family's traditional madness, made worse by the fact that she thinks she's all about justice. The dragons are more dangerous to the people than just about anything else and her control is slipping faster and faster. Wouldn't trust her with the Iron Throne, although there would probably be a brief period of decent rule if she gets control before her sanity breaks down further.

There aren't many other valid candidates, either being too weak, too crazy or just plane not around to pull it off. With that in mind, I hereby promote Qyburn as King of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Realm etc. because I think it would be funny watching him use unprecidented power to do exactly what he's currently doing, but on a bigger scale. Then Essos can invade and it becomes Mad Science vs. Magic (well, dragons) and everything explodes colorfully.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Everyone I like needs to get as far away from Westeros as possible. Shit is going to be going down for a looooong time.

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

Either Tyrion, or this one:

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captcha: most likely. See, it agrees with me.

 

[Don Incognito]

Calling it now, Jaime will kill Cersie (unless she dies in one of the books I haven't got to reading yet).

That's pretty much a dead certainty isn't it? Maggy the Frog foretold that she would be killed by her 'little brother' and A) Everything else she said has been pretty on the money and B) Tyrion would be too obvious, especially given that we know Cersei was born before Jaime.

Spoilers follow if you are a TV only person:

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A "little brother" not THE "little brother". I am a proponent of the CleganeBowl theory, wherein Cersei's trial by the faith ends in a trial by combat, where her champion Ser Robert "Totally Not Undead Gregor Clegane, guys" Strong is defeated by the faith's champion, the novice "Totally Not Sandor Clegane, guys" gravedigger, resulting in Cersei losing her life thanks to the "little brother".

 

[Don Incognito]

Also a question about Jon Snow

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I've seen mentioned a few times in this thread that Jon is likely the child of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark? Was this implied in the books? I've only read the first four and I can't remember alot of the forth because I was in hospital at the time. So was it mentioned in the fifth book? How was it implied because surely the only people who would know are all dead?

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Most of it is contained in the Ned chapters in the first book, whenever he thinks of Lyanna. "Promise me, Ned." The "bed of blood." The Kingsguard guarding her. It all implies that Lyanna died as the result of childbirth, and her child is the child of Rhaegar. There are other, smaller hints throughout the rest of the books, such as the story of the tournament at Harrenhal, and Dany's visions in the House of the Undying, but that's really the basis of it.

 

[CoffeeOfDoom]

Also a question about Jon Snow

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I've seen mentioned a few times in this thread that Jon is likely the child of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark? Was this implied in the books? I've only read the first four and I can't remember alot of the forth because I was in hospital at the time. So was it mentioned in the fifth book? How was it implied because surely the only people who would know are all dead?

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Many readers believe that Jon is not the son of Eddard Stark. Instead, he is the son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard's sister Lyanna Stark. Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared together to the Tower of Joy early in Robert's Rebellion. There, it's believed, Rhaegar leaves a pregnant Lyanna to defend his family's dynasty.

At the end of Robert's Rebellion, about one year later, Eddard and his companions find three of the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy: Lord Commander Ser Gerold Hightower, Ser Oswell Whent, and Ser Arthur Dayne. The reasons for their presence and the ensuing fight are unknown, but defending the unborn son of the Heir Apparent would be a good reason to have been posted. The only known survivors of the fight were Eddard himself and Howland Reed. Eddard recalls his sister dying "in a bed of blood," where he made her an unknown promise just before she died.

Also, while Robb, Sansa, Bran and Rickon are said to have Tully features (hair color, eyes), Jon and Arya are said to be closer in appearance (which had made Sansa believe Arya was also a bastard like Jon, until her mother put Sansa's theory down). Arya is said to resemble Lyanna. In the same line of comparison with his "siblings"; while all their direwolves are described having dark fur, Jon's, Ghost is white - a color oft associated with Targaryen features.

Further evidence to the truth of this theory in the eighth Eddard chapter of A Game of Thrones, in which Ned contemplates the significance of King Robert's bastards. As he muses, Ned's thoughts drift to Jon Snow, a logical segue, but also to his sister Lyanna Stark, the promise he made her, and to Rhaegar Targaryen, implying some tacit link between the three individuals.

Daenerys Targaryen's visions in the House of the Undying include an image of Rhaegar with his newborn son Aegon, proclaiming that "there must be a third" because "the dragon has three heads". Given that, according to Jon Connington, Rhaegar's wife Elia was believed infertile after two difficult pregnancies, and that Aegon the Conqueror himself had two wives, it is logical for Rhaegar to have attempted to fulfill the prophecy by having a third child with another woman. Another of the visions Daenerys sees is the image of a blue winter rose growing from a ***** in a wall of ice, filling the air with sweetness. Lyanna was noted by Ned to be fond of winter roses, and he associates them with her death. Jon, who could be the product of Lyanna, is currently at the Wall.

If Rhaegar secretly married Lyanna, it would ironically mean that Jon is not a bastard despite his life having been defined by his believed bastard status to a great extent, and that he is the heir to the Iron Throne after Aegon VI Targaryen (although this last point is rendered moot so long as he belongs to the Night's Watch).

With Eddard beheaded by King Joffrey, Howland Reed is the only living person who knows the nature of Lyanna's death and what she made her brother promise.

Copy/pasted from http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow/Theories