GamerGate's Image Problem

[Nikolaz72]

My point was something that Velventian put far more eloquently, what sparked an event does not have to forever define it.

Strictly speaking true; but it will be far more compelling if you ever reach the point where half of the so-called "movement" isn't still publicly and graphically obsessing about what an evil slut Zoe Quinn supposedly is. I personally suspect events will outrun your ever getting there.

To be honest, just look at the main thread. You'll be hard pressed to find 800 Posts about Zoe Quinn, let alone 800 posts of people 'obsessing graphically' over her, which you'd have to should you want your argument to hold water.

It's about journalistic integrity, currently it's people patting Greg Tito on the back for not censoring discussion, aswell as anticipation for the release of more of the discussion the secret email group (Once its been edited to censor personal information)

The times it becomes about Zoe Quinn is when some people ( I wont name names) comes into the thread to defend Sarkeesian/Zoe Quinn from imagined attacks. Last time they were mentioned was when the first round of emails were released and Kotaku released an article of a half year old bombthreat against a convention that Sarkeesian attended to 'again' steer discussion onto Anita and ZQ and away from them.

Kotaku and their ilk are afraid of the consequences tied to their lack of journalistic integrity, so when people want to target them they take cover behind the likes of Sarkeesian to deflect any legitimate complaints and concerns.

 

[generals3]

To be honest, just look at the main thread. You'll be hard pressed to find 800 Posts about Zoe Quinn, let alone 800 posts of people 'obsessing graphically' over her, which you'd have to should you want your argument to hold water.

It's about journalistic integrity, currently it's people patting Greg Tito on the back for not censoring discussion, aswell as anticipation for the release of more of the discussion the secret email group (Once its been edited to censor personal information)

The times it becomes about Zoe Quinn is when some people ( I wont name names) comes into the thread to defend Sarkeesian/Zoe Quinn from imagined attacks. Last time they were mentioned was when the first round of emails were released and Kotaku released an article of a 6year old bombthreat against Sarkeesian to 'again' steer discussion onto Anita and ZQ and away from them.

Kotaku and their ilk are afraid of the consequences tied to their lack of journalistic integrity, so when people want to target them they take cover behind the likes of Sarkeesian to deflect any legitimate complaints and concerns.

Let's also not forget there is some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Those who claim the majority is about Zoe/Anita have a tendency to mainly comment on those aspects and put those in the spotlight. This further reinforces the image that it is truly about them.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

You can't fix whats already been pulverized into a fine dust. The KKK might have an easier time mending an image problem then Gamergate. Maybe if the inciting incident wasn't motivated and broadcast by misogynists* then yeah maybe, but at this stage, better luck next time. One can only hope for another rotting pile of shit like Kane & Lynch 2 or Aliens Colonial Marines.

*Not everybody who is involved with Gamer-gate and such is a Misogynist, but some of the loudest fuck-knuckles most likely were. I have now lost 15% more faith in humanity form having to clarify this.

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You can't fix whats already been pulverized into a fine dust. The KKK might have an easier time mending an image problem then Gamergate. Maybe if the inciting incident wasn't motivated and broadcast by misogynists[footnote]Not everybody who is involved with Gamer-gate and such is a Misogynist, but some of the loudest fuck-knuckles most likely were. I have now lost 15% more faith in humanity form having to clarify this.[/footnote] then yeah maybe, but at this stage, better luck next time. One can only hope for another rotting pile of shit like Kane & Lynch 2 or Aliens Colonial Marines.

The more ya know. Looks much more... 'flashy'.

 

[irishda]

Been a gamer for 23+ years. At the end of the day, this entire thing started because a woman had sex with someone, and people got angry. In my mind, that's always going to be what I associate Gamer Gate with, and all the negative connotations that comes with it (as well as the stupid name, Gamer Gate? Seriously? It's fucking video games for christ's sake).

A gross simplification perhaps? Maybe, but I find a movement is only worth as much as what sparked it in the first place, and anything that uses the term SJW unironically isn't something I want to associate with, or be associated with.

Your comment just reinforces the fact that GamerGate has an image problem. After all, you skipped the part where every video game website bar the Escapist tried to censor anyone talking about Quinn, as well as Reddit and, somehow, 4chan. That is the crucial missing part between "her sleeping with people" and "people getting angry", and rightly so.

Of course, could the "censoring" be the standard deletion one sees whenever a group of angry gamers start talking about a woman who makes them mad? No, it's probably far safer to assume she frequently has sex with mods and editors and janitors and writers and advertisers, etc., etc. And that this horde of people aren't professional enough to separate their work and sex lives, so they've all been tamed by her magic vagina.

I have no idea why the movement has an image problem.

 

[irishda]

There was an article about it somewhere, sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight.

sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight

I'm not even going to comment. I'm just going to leave this here for the world to see.

Do all of your trousers come in smarty pants edition or do you have to turn them inside out every 2 weeks to avoid the smell?

Sure I may keep talking about you, but it's you who are dragging yourself into the spotlight.

 

[Velventian]

There was an article about it somewhere, sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight.

sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight

I'm not even going to comment. I'm just going to leave this here for the world to see.

Do all of your trousers come in smarty pants edition or do you have to turn them inside out every 2 weeks to avoid the smell?

Sure I may keep talking about you, but it's you who are dragging yourself into the spotlight.

How to drag oneself for dummies

(yeah i know that post might earn me a warning but in that case its worth it...)

 

[Jux]

My point was something that Velventian put far more eloquently, what sparked an event does not have to forever define it.

Strictly speaking true; but it will be far more compelling if you ever reach the point where half of the so-called "movement" isn't still publicly and graphically obsessing about what an evil slut Zoe Quinn supposedly is. I personally suspect events will outrun your ever getting there.

To be honest, just look at the main thread. You'll be hard pressed to find 800 Posts about Zoe Quinn, let alone 800 posts of people 'obsessing graphically' over her, which you'd have to should you want your argument to hold water.

A couple of things I want to point out Nik. First off, there is probably a good deal of the movement that isn't posting on the Escapist. Second, the rules were laid down in that thread that talking about Quinn's personal life was not going to be acceptable at the Escapist. Pointing out that people weren't making this about Quinn here specifically doesn't really mean much when it was explicitly said that they couldn't talk about her private life.

 

[irishda]

There was an article about it somewhere, sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight.

sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight

I'm not even going to comment. I'm just going to leave this here for the world to see.

Do all of your trousers come in smarty pants edition or do you have to turn them inside out every 2 weeks to avoid the smell?

Sure I may keep talking about you, but it's you who are dragging yourself into the spotlight.

Spoiler: these are hard to make

How to drag oneself for dummies

(yeah i know that post might earn me a warning but in that case its worth it...)

I see. She imitates herself as you, talks about herself, and that's how even though you talk about her, she drags herself back into the spotlight. How did she gain these shapeshifting powers? #gamerghazi

 

[Nikolaz72]

My point was something that Velventian put far more eloquently, what sparked an event does not have to forever define it.

Strictly speaking true; but it will be far more compelling if you ever reach the point where half of the so-called "movement" isn't still publicly and graphically obsessing about what an evil slut Zoe Quinn supposedly is. I personally suspect events will outrun your ever getting there.

To be honest, just look at the main thread. You'll be hard pressed to find 800 Posts about Zoe Quinn, let alone 800 posts of people 'obsessing graphically' over her, which you'd have to should you want your argument to hold water.

A couple of things I want to point out Nik. First off, there is probably a good deal of the movement that isn't posting on the Escapist. Second, the rules were laid down in that thread that talking about Quinn's personal life was not going to be acceptable at the Escapist. Pointing out that people weren't making this about Quinn here specifically doesn't really mean much when it was explicitly said that they couldn't talk about her private life.

This is the last post you're going to make me write about Quinn here. This is not about her anywhere so stop making it so.

 

[Velventian]

There was an article about it somewhere, sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight.

sure we may keep talking about her but its the other side that keeps dragging her into the spotlight

I'm not even going to comment. I'm just going to leave this here for the world to see.

Do all of your trousers come in smarty pants edition or do you have to turn them inside out every 2 weeks to avoid the smell?

Sure I may keep talking about you, but it's you who are dragging yourself into the spotlight.

Spoiler: these are hard to make

How to drag oneself for dummies

(yeah i know that post might earn me a warning but in that case its worth it...)

I see. She imitates herself as you, talks about herself, and that's how even though you talk about her, she drags herself back into the spotlight. How did she gain these shapeshifting powers? #gamerghazi

Anita is imitating me? wow thats such an honor *sniff* now that you mention it, she has been wearing the same earrings as me for the whole time, at least till the accident, since then i can´t wear them anymore,without ears its kinda difficult, nowadays i just balance them on my head because i feel to strongly connected to them to let them go...

 

[irishda]

Spoiler: these are hard to make

How to drag oneself for dummies

(yeah i know that post might earn me a warning but in that case its worth it...)

I see. She imitates herself as you, talks about herself, and that's how even though you talk about her, she drags herself back into the spotlight. How did she gain these shapeshifting powers? #gamerghazi

Anita is imitating me? wow thats such an honor *sniff*

Well yeah, I mean how else does she get you to talk about her?

 

[Velventian]

Spoiler: these are hard to make

How to drag oneself for dummies

(yeah i know that post might earn me a warning but in that case its worth it...)

I see. She imitates herself as you, talks about herself, and that's how even though you talk about her, she drags herself back into the spotlight. How did she gain these shapeshifting powers? #gamerghazi

Anita is imitating me? wow thats such an honor *sniff*

Well yeah, I mean how else does she get you to talk about her?

Oh my god you are right... there´s only one explanation... I AM ANITA!!! i always felt that deep down i might be someone else, thank you so much for showing me who i truly was the whole time.
Oh *sniff* i feel so much better now*sniff*

 

[irishda]

This is the last post you're going to make me write about Quinn here. This is not about her anywhere so stop making it so.

The articles that keep getting posted as "proof" over on the big thread beg to differ with you. Also the point of THIS thread begs to differ with you. You know, since the image problem is because people are "wrongly" painting this as a misogynist, crackpot conspiracy theory thanks to Zoe's loyal army of feminazis. Those terms weren't used in this thread, but they have been elsewhere, so I lovingly inserted it here too because it just kind of fits.

 

[Nikolaz72]

This is the last post you're going to make me write about Quinn here. This is not about her anywhere so stop making it so.

The articles that keep getting posted as "proof" over on the big thread beg to differ with you. Also the point of THIS thread begs to differ with you. You know, since the image problem is because people are "wrongly" painting this as a misogynist, crackpot conspiracy theory thanks to Zoe's loyal army of feminazis. Those terms weren't used in this thread, but they have been elsewhere, so I lovingly inserted it here too because it just kind of fits.

I've seen you in the big thread. It seems you also go there to inject arguments about mysoginy into what is otherwise about journalistic integrity. I ask that you please do not.

Thanks.

This is not about them, it is about the games media and many of the games media sites despicable most disgusting behavior in regards to censorship and hidden agendas.

 

[Jux]

This is the last post you're going to make me write about Quinn here. This is not about her anywhere so stop making it so.

Spoiler

The majority of the movement is here, the point was made over half of it was about Quinn. The majority of the movement doesn't discuss Quinn, as such your point is moot.

'My point'? Couple of things here. First, it was Bob's point, I was just pointing out that people posting here following the rules doesn't mean they aren't talking about Quinn elsewhere. The escapist isn't the only place in question when he says that the GG people are talking about Quinn. Second, it's too late atm for me to dig through that 800 page thread to find how many individuals posted that were pro GG, and then compare that with how many people are tweeting about GG, posting about GG on other sites, and then try to speculate not only how many of you there are, but the rate that ya'll are talking about Quinn. I personally think 'half' is an inflated number, but I would still speculate it's a sizable minority.

That being said, let's get something clear here dude. I'm not making you post anything. You're choosing to post. I'm not making it about Quinn. I'm simply pointing out that a) this started about Quinn, and b) GG can't simply divorce itself from that history and needs to come to terms with it if they're serious about the whole 'integrity' thing.

I'm out for the night, have a good one.

 

[irishda]

Oh my god you are right... there´s only one explanation... I AM ANITA!!! i always felt that deep down i might be someone else, thank you so much for showing me who i truly was the whole time.
Oh *sniff* i feel so much better now*sniff*

It's okay. I know you were scared and angry because you were just being harassed by lots of really shitty people who keep insisting "You don't deserve it, but...". Don't worry. It'll be alright.

 

[irishda]

This is the last post you're going to make me write about Quinn here. This is not about her anywhere so stop making it so.

The articles that keep getting posted as "proof" over on the big thread beg to differ with you. Also the point of THIS thread begs to differ with you. You know, since the image problem is because people are "wrongly" painting this as a misogynist, crackpot conspiracy theory thanks to Zoe's loyal army of feminazis. Those terms weren't used in this thread, but they have been elsewhere, so I lovingly inserted it here too because it just kind of fits.

I've seen you in the big thread. It seems you also go there to inject arguments about mysoginy into what is otherwise about journalistic integrity. I ask that you please do not.

Thanks.

This is not about Sarkeesian, it is about the games media and many of the games media sites despicable most disgusting behavior in regards to censorship and hidden agendas.

It's a little adorable that you personally might not think it's about Zoe, but again, the links your GG buddies keep posting, including the OP of the big thread, sure seem to talk a lot about a woman they're not about.

 

[Nikolaz72]

This is the last post you're going to make me write about Quinn here. This is not about her anywhere so stop making it so.

The articles that keep getting posted as "proof" over on the big thread beg to differ with you. Also the point of THIS thread begs to differ with you. You know, since the image problem is because people are "wrongly" painting this as a misogynist, crackpot conspiracy theory thanks to Zoe's loyal army of feminazis. Those terms weren't used in this thread, but they have been elsewhere, so I lovingly inserted it here too because it just kind of fits.

I've seen you in the big thread. It seems you also go there to inject arguments about mysoginy into what is otherwise about journalistic integrity. I ask that you please do not.

Thanks.

This is not about Sarkeesian, it is about the games media and many of the games media sites despicable most disgusting behavior in regards to censorship and hidden agendas.

It's a little adorable that you personally might not think it's about Zoe

Well.. Thanks.

However your attempts at derailing discussion by complimenting me is not going to win you many favors. Personally I'm not going to pretend that I've read all hundreds pages of the discussion, however I'm more of an escapistuser than I'm a.. Whatever it is people supporting gamergate calls themselves. I'd like to think you are aswell, so please respect our website and act with some civility when engaging in debate!

There is no need to be condescending towards me.

 

[Velventian]

Oh my god you are right... there´s only one explanation... I AM ANITA!!! i always felt that deep down i might be someone else, thank you so much for showing me who i truly was the whole time.
Oh *sniff* i feel so much better now*sniff*

It's okay. I know you were scared and angry because you were just being harassed by lots of really shitty people who keep insisting "You don't deserve it, but...". Don't worry. It'll be alright.

Thanks to people like you i might just make it through this horrible time. I wish i could just do something so all this horrible online harassment would just stop, i don´t know something like turning off the pc, but i don´t know how!!!
Oh by the way here´s my patreon!
www.patreon.com/ifyoudontgivememoneyouraresexist