Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

[lord.jeff]

Good move for Nintendo, looks like they're putting their money where their mouth is when they said they wanted to expand their audience and get more of the hardcore crowd back. I'm starting to think a WiiU may be worth it now.

 

[Kurenaino]

Why can they not release it on multiple consoles? Why are people ok with exclusives? How is it somehow fine for a game to be actively denied to people for no other reason than to force them to buy another console? This is just another casuality to a seriously anti consumer practice.

Oh and to those who think they are somehow mighty for belittling people who cant play the sequel to a game they liked: You arent being clever, you're being dickheads. Why on earth should people be forced to buy a console for games which clearly are not specific to the console in question?

Because the people who make the console are paying the bill to get the game made? Why should they use their money to make a sequel to a game everyone else gave up on, then make it for competitors consoles so other companies can have it, so you can avoid giving them your money for a console they've made and a game they have paid to publish? Not to mention it's WiiU so likely it WILL be exclusive to the console, and you expect Nintendo to foot the bill so it can ported to the X-Box 720 and the PS4? That sounds reasonable to you?

Seriously, it's pretty much entirely how the big three compete by who has the best exclusives, no-one would be saying shit if it was an X-box exclusive. Hell, there are people on this forum who still don't think Bethesda's handling of Dawnguard was f*cking shoddy by releasing it for X-box 2 months ahead of PS3 and PC, and that's a legitimate issue as it isn't hard to port DLC.

More OT: We don't ***** about Halo being only on X-Box or God of War only being on Playstation, it just so happens Bayonetta is now only going to be on WiiU. And? If you want to play the game I guess you're going to have to give WiiU a try, if you don't then give Platinum Games the money it needs out of your own pocket to buy back full publishing rights and make a game for the X-box or whatever. It'll only cost you something like 15 million dollars (conservative f*cking estimate there).

It's like Nintendo want us to buy their products or something crazy like that!

Get off your high horse, you arent as smart as you think you are. Nintendo is publishing the game, great! That doesnt mean its good for gaming to have that game be denied to other gamers purely to sell a console. I dont agree with exclusives, I think anyone who supports exclusives that are exclusive because one company wants to get an edge by denying the game to other consoles is retarded.

I can see why keeping the game exclusive to the Wii U is smart for Nintendo, I cant see how thats good for us. I dont want to buy a Wii U, not out of malice but because I cant afford to buy a Wii U and and Xbox 720 (if indeed I get another generation of console, depends on my circumstances. The 360 seems to be the strongest of the 3 consoles, going with that im gonna go to the next iteration of it. Plus I like the exclusives and all my freinds are getting it, though it having exclusives is no more ok than the Wii U or PS3 having exclusives purely for competition). Im not "avoiding giving them money for a console they've made", which somehow insinuates Im at fault for not buying it at all because they spent money making it, I just cant buy it in my circumstances because they are denying it on platforms I play on.

I dont know the full situation with Dawngaurd, if Microsoft paid for some sort of exclusivity then non-xbox gamers should not be denied the DLC. It isnt fair on gamers, even if the devs are better off. Halo should be on PS3 and God of War should be on xbox. Gamers are not benefiting from this competition, theres no good reason for us to support it.

I would love nothing more than for Bayonetta 2 to be available to everyone, unfortunately Platinum games decided they couldnt self publish (though they could publish the abysmal 'Vanquish') it and Nintendo is now publishing. That isnt my fault. Why is it somehow fine for Nintendo to act against our interests but not Activision or EA? They both go against our interests and are hated for it, why is it ok here?

Woah bro! Calm down!

I suppose this is my question to you: why have different consoles if you can get all the same games on just one? Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo would all go out of business if their consoles didn't have a strong selling point, and those points have to be the software. I do get your point, it can really suck if a game's coming out that you want on a system you don't own. But the bigger picture here is that exclusives help the industry and these companies survive. Consumer loyalty is a huge part of the industry, and it's very difficult to create that without a very clear, very defined reasons that separate the companies. We remove that, and it's very possible we could see a lot of collapse.

 

[Cybylt]

As someone who loved the original title and finds Platinum to be the only people to make worthwhile over the top action games, I think this is great news.

SEGA's(who published every Platinum game up until Metal Gear Rising and Wonderful 101) practically a sinking ship right now and putting all their money into PSO2, they won't even put down the cash to port already made games let alone back development.

Loving the general support for the hardcore market Nintendo's showing lately as well.

 

[Treblaine]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

 

[Sean951]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

This [http://www.cityzen.tv/content/pix3/gun4.jpg] is from Gun, a launch game for the 360. This [http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/assassins-creed-3-2.jpg] is from ACIII, an upcoming game. Notice the extreme graphical difference? Now notice that the WiiU has graphics that visually are on par with the 360 and PS3 from the get go, and we can see that yes, it is a significant graphical upgrade.

Are you still going on about the hard drive? They are a gaming company, they don't expect you to be putting music and videos on their consoles. And if you buy a lot of digital games, then you can just go get a external drive and transfer data as needed. I really don't see the problem here.

If we are arguing technical abilities, then the PS2 wasn't 6th Gen. It was inferior to the GameCube and was significantly inferior to the X-Box. So what do you say, was the PS2 really 5th gen?

 

[Adon Cabre]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

This [http://www.cityzen.tv/content/pix3/gun4.jpg] is from Gun, a launch game for the 360. This [http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/assassins-creed-3-2.jpg] is from ACIII, an upcoming game. Notice the extreme graphical difference? Now notice that the WiiU has graphics that visually are on par with the 360 and PS3 from the get go, and we can see that yes, it is a significant graphical upgrade.

Are you still going on about the hard drive? They are a gaming company, they don't expect you to be putting music and videos on their consoles. And if you buy a lot of digital games, then you can just go get a external drive and transfer data as needed. I really don't see the problem here.

If we are arguing technical abilities, then the PS2 wasn't 6th Gen. It was inferior to the GameCube and was significantly inferior to the X-Box. So what do you say, was the PS2 really 5th gen?

It's not really on-par with these generation of hard core consoles. There are some graphical inferiority in lighting that I saw in their Arkham City promo vid, but it's nothing terribly eye catching.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo is just barely catching up; in that now they're seeing the industry for what it's becoming.

 

[Adon Cabre]

You know, I can say I am grateful to Nintendo for saving the Bayonetta series .. however I can't really blame gamers for their behaviors. Okay I can say they're getting out of hand and taking this to personally- but I still can't look down on these gamers. Nintendo made it a Wii U exclusive only.. I mean, a lot of gamers don't have that so it does rub me off the wrong way.

If this was EA reviving something but making it so only one console (or like say PC) had it and no one else, I can see that would rage people more or actually get everyone's jimmies rustled (lol). Not sure exactly, but I would of dearly been hurting myself if say
Dead Space 2 when it came out was for Wii U only. The first game was for all platforms, so weird and sort of disappointing that the next game is for one console when it can be on other consoles but hey if Nintendo saved the series least I can't really complain.

But I feel like I can voice my opinion, that Nintendo could of not made it a Wii U exclusive.

Just goes to show you that the first Bayonetta didn't do enough for Sony or Microsoft to fight it.

 

[Sean951]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

This [http://www.cityzen.tv/content/pix3/gun4.jpg] is from Gun, a launch game for the 360. This [http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/assassins-creed-3-2.jpg] is from ACIII, an upcoming game. Notice the extreme graphical difference? Now notice that the WiiU has graphics that visually are on par with the 360 and PS3 from the get go, and we can see that yes, it is a significant graphical upgrade.

Are you still going on about the hard drive? They are a gaming company, they don't expect you to be putting music and videos on their consoles. And if you buy a lot of digital games, then you can just go get a external drive and transfer data as needed. I really don't see the problem here.

If we are arguing technical abilities, then the PS2 wasn't 6th Gen. It was inferior to the GameCube and was significantly inferior to the X-Box. So what do you say, was the PS2 really 5th gen?

It's not really on-par with these generation of hard core consoles. There are some graphical inferiority in lighting that I saw in their Arkham City promo vid, but it's nothing terribly eye catching.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo is just barely catching up; in that now they're seeing the industry for what it's becoming.

OK, slight differences at launch. You know, when people are still learning how to make the most efficient use of the console. Like I said, look at Gun compared to ACIII. It's a pretty big change.

 

[ElPatron]

And why is that a problem? Really?

Get the new DMC when it comes out, and while playing it, look up some porn on the internet.

Problem solved.

That's like saying everyone should have stopped buying Call of Duty in it's WWII setting and just look for modern gun pics online.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

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I actually find Arkham City to look better on the Wii U from what I've seen. More stuff's about, and there's much more lighting. And anyway, the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions are way behind the PC version, that doesn't make then last-gen consoles at all.

 

[Laurie Barnes]

I personally find it disappointing that a game I might have bought is going to be exlusive to Nintendo's latest gimmick machine.

 

[yuval152]

I never played the original so I'm fine with it.

 

[BatteringVulpine]

Oh no, a game I liked on one console is being released exclusively on a completely difference console. What will I, as an internet-using person of America do with my money?

Seriously though, this kind of thing is ridiculous. Excepting the people that are apparently suicidal over this news, who is this hurting? Sequels being exclusive to different consoles is nothing new. I liked Bayonetta, and I like Nintendo, so who cares? If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't threaten suicide like some sort of self-entitled brat thinking it will get you the attention you want.

EDIT: Just got linked to a blog post [http://www.bearhawkink.com/pristerra/?p=178] on my FB about someone else who thinks this outrage is bonkers.

 

[Trishbot]

I'm a Bayonetta fan, own it on 360, and I love it.

And I'm more than okay with Bayonetta 2 being on the Wii U.

If you're a real "fan" of a series you'll following the series, not the console it's on. If that was the case, my Metal Gear collection wouldn't look like this: Metal Gear Solid 1 (Playstation and Gamecube), Metal Gear Solid 2 (Xbox), Metal Gear Solid 3 (Playstation 2), Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3).

I followed Resident Evil to the Gamecube. We got some FANTASTIC Resident Evil games on Gamecube, some of which are STILL only on Gamecube. That's fine in my book.

 

[Adon Cabre]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

It's called EMPHASIS. Capitalisation is not just for shouting or anger.

PS3 was - technically - an improvement over Xbox 360, that does NOT make it a generation ahead.

And WiiU is confirmed for inferior in one way, no HDD install. HDD is faster for loading and scan time than ANY blu-ray drive.

The important details of GPU and CPU specs of WiiU have NOT been revealed. From what we have seen so far of WiiU graphics it is not significantly more capable.

If you're not even close to an order of magnitude ahead, you're NOT next-gen. If gaming didn't advance with each generation, we'd all still be on 8-bit.

This [http://www.cityzen.tv/content/pix3/gun4.jpg] is from Gun, a launch game for the 360. This [http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/assassins-creed-3-2.jpg] is from ACIII, an upcoming game. Notice the extreme graphical difference? Now notice that the WiiU has graphics that visually are on par with the 360 and PS3 from the get go, and we can see that yes, it is a significant graphical upgrade.

Are you still going on about the hard drive? They are a gaming company, they don't expect you to be putting music and videos on their consoles. And if you buy a lot of digital games, then you can just go get a external drive and transfer data as needed. I really don't see the problem here.

If we are arguing technical abilities, then the PS2 wasn't 6th Gen. It was inferior to the GameCube and was significantly inferior to the X-Box. So what do you say, was the PS2 really 5th gen?

It's not really on-par with these generation of hard core consoles. There are some graphical inferiority in lighting that I saw in their Arkham City promo vid, but it's nothing terribly eye catching.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo is just barely catching up; in that now they're seeing the industry for what it's becoming.

OK, slight differences at launch. You know, when people are still learning how to make the most efficient use of the console. Like I said, look at Gun compared to ACIII. It's a pretty big change.

But this isn't an exclusive; expect all ports to look as... well, not as good on the Wii U since they were more purposed for the other consoles who can better handle the demand. ACIII on Wii U looks nice, but a large part of the game seems to be offering little diverse change. We've yet to see that ship sequence on the Wii U -- that will show us how it handles lighting.

The other problem is that, while the Xbox 360 already needs multiple disks for PS3 ports, what about a virtually non-existant Wii U? That's trouble. Konami's Fox Engine looks like it might be too much.

 

[Adon Cabre]

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I actually find Arkham City to look better on the Wii U from what I've seen. More stuff's about, and there's much more lighting. And anyway, the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions are way behind the PC version, that doesn't make then last-gen consoles at all.

Well I guess you like glossy lighting and misty-blurred backgrounds. Wii U just hit the PS3 and Xbox Generation, although with mild tech capacities. And developers are fidgety with releasing anything on PC since plenty of those Gamers thieve around on torrents.

What PC version? A PC can be upgraded annually if you have the money, and which plenty of us do not; nor do we care to dig inside our towers. (People like me just don't care enough, yet.)

 

[Aarowbeatsdragon]

I would like to play Bayonetta 2. I do not want to get a WiiU and I do not see that changeing as I hate motion controls.

But....Beyonetta and all WiiU games with the exception of co-op modes in games will be using the gamepad with no motion control needed.

OT. I gotta be honest, while it sickens me that these so called "hardcore" gamers are giving us real gamers a bad name, its been fun reading about it.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Why can they not release it on multiple consoles? Why are people ok with exclusives? How is it somehow fine for a game to be actively denied to people for no other reason than to force them to buy another console? This is just another casuality to a seriously anti consumer practice.

Oh and to those who think they are somehow mighty for belittling people who cant play the sequel to a game they liked: You arent being clever, you're being dickheads. Why on earth should people be forced to buy a console for games which clearly are not specific to the console in question?

Because the people who make the console are paying the bill to get the game made? Why should they use their money to make a sequel to a game everyone else gave up on, then make it for competitors consoles so other companies can have it, so you can avoid giving them your money for a console they've made and a game they have paid to publish? Not to mention it's WiiU so likely it WILL be exclusive to the console, and you expect Nintendo to foot the bill so it can ported to the X-Box 720 and the PS4? That sounds reasonable to you?

Seriously, it's pretty much entirely how the big three compete by who has the best exclusives, no-one would be saying shit if it was an X-box exclusive. Hell, there are people on this forum who still don't think Bethesda's handling of Dawnguard was f*cking shoddy by releasing it for X-box 2 months ahead of PS3 and PC, and that's a legitimate issue as it isn't hard to port DLC.

More OT: We don't ***** about Halo being only on X-Box or God of War only being on Playstation, it just so happens Bayonetta is now only going to be on WiiU. And? If you want to play the game I guess you're going to have to give WiiU a try, if you don't then give Platinum Games the money it needs out of your own pocket to buy back full publishing rights and make a game for the X-box or whatever. It'll only cost you something like 15 million dollars (conservative f*cking estimate there).

It's like Nintendo want us to buy their products or something crazy like that!

Get off your high horse, you arent as smart as you think you are. Nintendo is publishing the game, great! That doesnt mean its good for gaming to have that game be denied to other gamers purely to sell a console. I dont agree with exclusives, I think anyone who supports exclusives that are exclusive because one company wants to get an edge by denying the game to other consoles is retarded.

I can see why keeping the game exclusive to the Wii U is smart for Nintendo, I cant see how thats good for us. I dont want to buy a Wii U, not out of malice but because I cant afford to buy a Wii U and and Xbox 720 (if indeed I get another generation of console, depends on my circumstances. The 360 seems to be the strongest of the 3 consoles, going with that im gonna go to the next iteration of it. Plus I like the exclusives and all my freinds are getting it, though it having exclusives is no more ok than the Wii U or PS3 having exclusives purely for competition). Im not "avoiding giving them money for a console they've made", which somehow insinuates Im at fault for not buying it at all because they spent money making it, I just cant buy it in my circumstances because they are denying it on platforms I play on.

I dont know the full situation with Dawngaurd, if Microsoft paid for some sort of exclusivity then non-xbox gamers should not be denied the DLC. It isnt fair on gamers, even if the devs are better off. Halo should be on PS3 and God of War should be on xbox. Gamers are not benefiting from this competition, theres no good reason for us to support it.

I would love nothing more than for Bayonetta 2 to be available to everyone, unfortunately Platinum games decided they couldnt self publish (though they could publish the abysmal 'Vanquish') it and Nintendo is now publishing. That isnt my fault. Why is it somehow fine for Nintendo to act against our interests but not Activision or EA? They both go against our interests and are hated for it, why is it ok here?

Right, for clarity, you're immediately saying you won't buy the Wii U, instead you're going for the next X-Box. Why is that? Because it has better business practices? No, in your own words because of the exclusives (and some bonus reasons like familiarty or your friends had it but at some point down the line you bought it for the games, because that's why all of us choose one console or other, either we played Mario and enjoyed it or a good round of Halo, it's just how they're distinguished). My big issue with this thread in general is that nobody is complaining about Epic, Bungie, Sucker Punch, Nintendo bought a studio to make a game and because it's not on THEIR console there's outrage. It's just a touch hypocritical.

I agree that console exclusives aren't fantastic when you lack the console, but Bayonetta 2 wouldn't even exist unless Nintendo footed the bill and if the price to pay is it's only on their console well... Zelda isn't on X-Box either. Your comparison to Activision and EA is also a poor analogue, since those companies do go across all consoles they just happen to be douchebags to gamers in general. I'm not saying it's your fault that Platinum weren't going to release Bayonetta 2 or develop it but Nintendo have also sunk a HUGE amount of money in getting a 'grown up' exclusive. If Microsoft spent huge amounts of money to buy Sucker Punch away from Sony and make inFamous 3 I'd probably be annoyed since I prefer Playstation, but I'm admitting to it and I also get that the only reason they're DOING it is to sell their product and since I like the game I might consider switching.

You can be pissed off that a game you'd like to play is going to be on a console you've decided you don't want but Nintendo isn't doing anything malicious or intentionally to screw gamers which is why I'm defending them. Microsoft could have bought Platinum, Sony could have done it, they didn't. I don't ***** out Microsoft for buying out Rare and killing them (no matter how heinous that sin was) so I tend to get snarky when someone does the reverse.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Why can they not release it on multiple consoles? Why are people ok with exclusives? How is it somehow fine for a game to be actively denied to people for no other reason than to force them to buy another console? This is just another casuality to a seriously anti consumer practice.

Oh and to those who think they are somehow mighty for belittling people who cant play the sequel to a game they liked: You arent being clever, you're being dickheads. Why on earth should people be forced to buy a console for games which clearly are not specific to the console in question?

Because the people who make the console are paying the bill to get the game made? Why should they use their money to make a sequel to a game everyone else gave up on, then make it for competitors consoles so other companies can have it, so you can avoid giving them your money for a console they've made and a game they have paid to publish? Not to mention it's WiiU so likely it WILL be exclusive to the console, and you expect Nintendo to foot the bill so it can ported to the X-Box 720 and the PS4? That sounds reasonable to you?

Seriously, it's pretty much entirely how the big three compete by who has the best exclusives, no-one would be saying shit if it was an X-box exclusive. Hell, there are people on this forum who still don't think Bethesda's handling of Dawnguard was f*cking shoddy by releasing it for X-box 2 months ahead of PS3 and PC, and that's a legitimate issue as it isn't hard to port DLC.

More OT: We don't ***** about Halo being only on X-Box or God of War only being on Playstation, it just so happens Bayonetta is now only going to be on WiiU. And? If you want to play the game I guess you're going to have to give WiiU a try, if you don't then give Platinum Games the money it needs out of your own pocket to buy back full publishing rights and make a game for the X-box or whatever. It'll only cost you something like 15 million dollars (conservative f*cking estimate there).

It's like Nintendo want us to buy their products or something crazy like that!

Get off your high horse, you arent as smart as you think you are. Nintendo is publishing the game, great! That doesnt mean its good for gaming to have that game be denied to other gamers purely to sell a console. I dont agree with exclusives, I think anyone who supports exclusives that are exclusive because one company wants to get an edge by denying the game to other consoles is retarded.

I can see why keeping the game exclusive to the Wii U is smart for Nintendo, I cant see how thats good for us. I dont want to buy a Wii U, not out of malice but because I cant afford to buy a Wii U and and Xbox 720 (if indeed I get another generation of console, depends on my circumstances. The 360 seems to be the strongest of the 3 consoles, going with that im gonna go to the next iteration of it. Plus I like the exclusives and all my freinds are getting it, though it having exclusives is no more ok than the Wii U or PS3 having exclusives purely for competition). Im not "avoiding giving them money for a console they've made", which somehow insinuates Im at fault for not buying it at all because they spent money making it, I just cant buy it in my circumstances because they are denying it on platforms I play on.

I dont know the full situation with Dawngaurd, if Microsoft paid for some sort of exclusivity then non-xbox gamers should not be denied the DLC. It isnt fair on gamers, even if the devs are better off. Halo should be on PS3 and God of War should be on xbox. Gamers are not benefiting from this competition, theres no good reason for us to support it.

I would love nothing more than for Bayonetta 2 to be available to everyone, unfortunately Platinum games decided they couldnt self publish (though they could publish the abysmal 'Vanquish') it and Nintendo is now publishing. That isnt my fault. Why is it somehow fine for Nintendo to act against our interests but not Activision or EA? They both go against our interests and are hated for it, why is it ok here?

Right, for clarity, you're immediately saying you won't buy the Wii U, instead you're going for the next X-Box. Why is that? Because it has better business practices? No, in your own words because of the exclusives (and some bonus reasons like familiarty or your friends had it but at some point down the line you bought it for the games, because that's why all of us choose one console or other, either we played Mario and enjoyed it or a good round of Halo, it's just how they're distinguished). My big issue with this story in general is that nobody is complaining about Epic, Bungie, Sucker Punch, Nintendo bought a studio to make a game and because it's not on THEIR console there's outrage. It's just a touch hypocritical.

I agree that console exclusives aren't fantastic when you lack the console, but Bayonetta 2 wouldn't even exist unless Nintendo footed the bill and if the price to pay is it's only on their console well... Zelda isn't on X-Box either. Your comparison to Activision and EA is also a poor analogue, since those companies do go across all consoles they just happen to be douchebags to gamers in general. I'm not saying it's your fault that Platinum weren't going to release Bayonetta 2 or develop it but Nintendo have also sunk a HUGE amount of money in getting a 'grown up' exclusive. If Microsoft spent huge amounts of money to buy Sucker Punch away from Sony and make inFamous 3 I'd probably be annoyed since I prefer Playstation, but I'm admitting to it and I also get that the only reason they're DOING it is to sell their product and since I like the game I might consider switching.

You can be pissed off that a game you'd like to play is going to be on a console you've decided you don't want but Nintendo isn't doing anything malicious or intentionally to screw gamers which is why I'm defending them. Microsoft could have bought Platinum, Sony could have done it, they didn't. I don't ***** out Microsoft for buying out Rare and killing them (no matter how heinous that sin was) so I tend to get snarky when someone does the reverse.

 

[acosn]

...What's wrong with the Wii-U?

Probably nothing, people just don't like being forced to buy a new console to carry on a series they've already bought into.

Well, then those people should have done more to support the game so it could have continued on it's previous path. Instead, it didn't make enough money and Sega refused to publish it.

....... don.... done more to support them? What would you have them do? Fund the fuckin game?

Take that weakshit argument outa here.

It's perfectly accurate though.

The game didn't sell well enough. Ergo Sega didn't want to double down when they were already losing. Business isn't a fucking game.

Yet Nintendo see a profit in flagshipping it.

It's not an accurate criticism. How are fans supposed to do more than buy the game? Sega didn't want to publish and that's fine. If they were worried about low sales that's what they should have done, but you don't then go and blame the fans for not doing enough to support the IP despite having bought the game.

That's fucking retard logic.

Nintendo's consumer base is different from Sony's and Microsoft's. After bringing in the elephant to the room called casual gaming and tapping a market that last time it came in, crashed the fucking industry, Nintendo needs to re-align themselves as a middle-range platform because the casual audience is now wired to smart phones and tablets that Nintendo can't hope to compete with.


So they publish a game already in the works, and carry a different definition of what "success" is.


And I'd drop the persecution complex. No one's actually blaming you. We're just saying you weren't enough.

The point is that Sega didn't lose money on Bayonetta. It wasn't a hemorrhaging IP, it just didn't do as well as Sega wanted. So it got abandoned, which happens all the time in the AAA market. Nintendo are hoping that the IP acquisition will drag people over from Sony and Microsoft's corners. It did have enough buyers for it to be considered a minor or cult hit. But AAA publishers aren't interested in that. That isn't the fault of the fanbase but the companies who set the system up.

People don't blame Beyond good and evil fans because Ubisoft don't think it's profitable to make a second. Or timesplitters fans because activision are allergic to anything under a billion sales. Same principal here.

And actually by saying 'the fans should have done more' you are blaming the fans... so straighten out you argument.

You're not seeing a new Timesplitters game because Free Radical got picked up by Crytek, not because of hard financial reasons.