Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

[Nieroshai]

Given Nintendo's image, and how.. "well" mature themed games, often do on Nintendo's systems, I'm actually interested in seeing how Bayonetta 2 turns out. Seems a bit of catch 22. If Nintendo lets the game go through titally unaltered it's quite possibly not going to sell all that well. if they enforce any obvious content changes to make it more palatable to the typical Nintendo audience they'll just be tagged as meddling mature game killing kiddy content providers.

Of course, I had no interest in all in the first game so I don't really care much how the sequel turns out or what system it comes out on either way.

I think they're trying to make good on all the hate they've gotten for dropping the gamer demographic for the soccer mom demographic. They seem to legitimately want to get back to what we loved them for originally: being (for their time) hardcore and innovative, with a game for every demographic including more adult-oriented games. I remember the competition between Sega and Nintendo, both vying to be the most hardcore, and I see that spark starting to return. I doubt they'll surpass the other Big Two, but they seem ready to make the attempt after a long Japan-centric hiatus.

 

[Agente L]

I must say, I was happy when I discovered bayonetta 2 was going to be release, and then the happiness turned into disappointment when I saw it was an wii u exclusive.

Mostly because a couple of my friends are going "HOLY MOLY WII U BEST CONSOLE EVER, SHUT UP YOUR HATER" after I said that wii u would be less succesfull than wii, but still would sell a lot.

 

[TheSchaef]

So if I understand correctly, the sequence of events goes something like:

"Nintendo, y u no have hd and good third-party core games?"

"Okay, here's our new hd console with Arkham, Darksiders, Assassin's Creed, Ninja Gaiden, Call-o-Duty-brah, Tekken and Mass Effect."

"Psshhhh, I can already get those on my erksberks, it's not like Nintendo gets any good exclusives or anything."

"Okay, here's this sequel to this game some of you liked, that you weren't sure was even going to come out, but we're publishing it for you."

"WTF Nintendo you suck, we hate exclusives, raaawwwrrr"

Haters. They're gonna. Like they do.

 

[SpAc3man]

Why won't people just consider getting a Wii U? It will be the most powerful console when it comes out. Don't see why the hate is warranted at all.

 

[Tony2077]

Why won't people just consider getting a Wii U? It will be the most powerful console when it comes out. Don't see why the hate is warranted at all.

some have considered it and said it isn't worth it

 

[mjcabooseblu]

Given the choice between Bayonetta 2 on WiiU and no Bayonetta 2 at all...

The WiiU has done nothing to make me think it will be enjoyable. Nintendo promises much, but the Wii hype has taught me not to take stock in their promises. The fact that a big-name title is being released on it does nothing to ensure its quality (see also: Force Unleashed 2, Black Ops, World at War, numerous others.)

So, I'd take the second option. At least, this way, we can fondly remember the first one.

 

[Atmos Duality]

If we actually put enough pressure on Nintendo then they will end their retarded ways.

I'll be sure to add that to my growing collection of "Biggest fucking 'IFs' ever".
Let me know how you want to be credited for when I publish it.

As for the rest of this "news":

A group of whiny trolls made the news...if you can call this "news" with a straight face (I can't.)
After everything else I've seen this year, this is becoming less of a shock, but no less outrageous and stupid.

Just one more bout of mass-gamer whining to add to the tally this year..(Mass Effect 3, Terraria, and now Bayonetta 2)

 

[Treblaine]

If we actually put enough pressure on Nintendo then they will end their retarded ways.

I'll be sure to add that to my growing collection of "Biggest fucking 'IFs' ever".
Let me know how you want to be credited for when I publish it.

As for the rest of this "news":

A group of whiny trolls made the news...if you can call this "news" with a straight face (I can't.)
After everything else I've seen this year, this is becoming less of a shock, but no less outrageous and stupid.

Just one more bout of mass-gamer whining to add to the tally this year..(Mass Effect 3, Terraria, and now Bayonetta 2)

Hey, don't underestimate the power of whining, it can get things to change for the better. This is well established in politics, it's called "protesting" and "demonstrations". Put calling it whining keeps it real but doesn't make it less effective.

What, you think Nintendo will be nice to it's consumers on it's own initiative? Ha!

I think the "news" is that Bayonetta 2 is WiiU exclusive but you know what, the fact that this whining is considered relevant to this story shows how effective it is. WiiU NEEDS to be better solde to the public, $350 for evern a barely adequate internal storage is too much and there Tablet controller is Do-Not-Want. Ditch the Tablet controller replace with practical controller, replace the 32GB SSD with a 200GB HDD and then you can easily reduce the price to more sensible $199.

And admit it's not a generation ahead of XBox 360 or PS3. Because it is NOT a generation ahead of the Xbox or PS3. It's advantage over PS3 is like the advantage of PS3 over Xbox 360.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Hey, don't underestimate the power of whining, it can get things to change for the better.

It can also burn bridges and get things changed for the worse.

My local school district is constantly trying to convince me that the quality of their education is more related to the value of my house than their lopsided, top-heavy administrative spending, but people conveniently seem to forget that when they start asking for referendums and hikes for school programs.

This is well established in politics, it's called "protesting" and "demonstrations". Put calling it whining keeps it real but doesn't make it less effective.

I maintain that politics is the greatest waste of time and resources in human endeavor, slightly ahead of War. But to each his own.

What, you think Nintendo will be nice to it's consumers on it's own initiative? Ha!

I don't think "nice" is the problem at hand here. A concentrated effort of legitimate complaints backed up by deadpan sales might convince them better than either, but until the problem becomes well-established or published, this is just whining, plain and simple.

People are bitching about EXCLUSIVITY; something that is by no means new to the gaming world.
What makes their case so special? What is newsworthy about these assholes?
Nothing.

They just have a platform to speak the nonsense and a press hungry for any "controversy" they can find.

It's the same kind of bullshit hate-mongering you see on any major news network, and it's becoming increasingly common on the Escapist as of late. Hell, maybe it's a good time to leave..

I think the "news" is that Bayonetta 2 is WiiU exclusive but you know what, the fact that this whining is considered relevant to this story shows how effective it is.

The fact that it's considered relevant speaks volumes of just how badly the gaming community wants to be perceived as nothing more than a market of children.

This isn't some great point of controversy that could change the relationship between gamer and publisher, or some new scheme to milk more money for less real effort; it's just the announcement of a system-exclusive title...attached to a new system no less.

And admit it's not a generation ahead of XBox 360 or PS3. Because it is NOT a generation ahead of the Xbox or PS3. It's advantage over PS3 is like the advantage of PS3 over Xbox 360.

Golden rule of console-value: "It's not just the hardware that counts, it's how you use it."
No games, useless console. Just ask Sony about their Vita.

 

[Treblaine]

Hey, don't underestimate the power of whining, it can get things to change for the better.

It can also burn bridges and get things changed for the worse.

My local school district is constantly trying to convince me that the quality of their education is more related to the value of my house than their lopsided, top-heavy administrative spending, but people conveniently seem to forget that when they start asking for referendums and hikes for school programs.

This is well established in politics, it's called "protesting" and "demonstrations". Put calling it whining keeps it real but doesn't make it less effective.

I maintain that politics is the greatest waste of time and resources in human endeavor, slightly ahead of War. But to each his own.

What, you think Nintendo will be nice to it's consumers on it's own initiative? Ha!

I don't think "nice" is the problem at hand here. A concentrated effort of legitimate complaints backed up by deadpan sales might convince them better than either, but until the problem becomes well-established or published, this is just whining, plain and simple.

People are bitching about EXCLUSIVITY; something that is by no means new to the gaming world.
What makes their case so special? What is newsworthy about these assholes?
Nothing.

They just have a platform to speak the nonsense and a press hungry for any "controversy" they can find.

It's the same kind of bullshit hate-mongering you see on any major news network, and it's becoming increasingly common on the Escapist as of late. Hell, maybe it's a good time to leave..

I think the "news" is that Bayonetta 2 is WiiU exclusive but you know what, the fact that this whining is considered relevant to this story shows how effective it is.

The fact that it's considered relevant speaks volumes of just how badly the gaming community wants to be perceived as nothing more than a market of children.

This isn't some great point of controversy that could change the relationship between gamer and publisher, or some new scheme to milk more money for less real effort; it's just the announcement of a system-exclusive title...attached to a new system no less.

And admit it's not a generation ahead of XBox 360 or PS3. Because it is NOT a generation ahead of the Xbox or PS3. It's advantage over PS3 is like the advantage of PS3 over Xbox 360.

Golden rule of console-value: "It's not just the hardware that counts, it's how you use it."
No games, useless console. Just ask Sony about their Vita.

The problem is not exclusivity in itself. The problem is exclusivity to a console they don't have faith in, they are worried that Nintendo's commitment to non-trivial "deep and satisfying games (aka "core games") is disingenuous. They don't want to have to pay $170 extra within a $350 price tag for a tablet controller they resoundingly think is a gimmick not worth the cost and inconvenience.

If it was Xbox 360 exclusive, it would't be such a big deal.

it's not hate-mongering, it's GENUINE CRITICISM! The problem is everyone sticking their fingers in their ears and going "La la la la la! Can't hear criticism, Nintendo is great, any criticism is just hate for the sake of hate".

Protesting like adults... somehow babies.

Screw this, if you're not going to take this seriously... then fugging GOOD DAY SIR!

 

[mjcabooseblu]

Hey, don't underestimate the power of whining, it can get things to change for the better.

It can also burn bridges and get things changed for the worse.

My local school district is constantly trying to convince me that the quality of their education is more related to the value of my house than their lopsided, top-heavy administrative spending, but people conveniently seem to forget that when they start asking for referendums and hikes for school programs.

This is well established in politics, it's called "protesting" and "demonstrations". Put calling it whining keeps it real but doesn't make it less effective.

I maintain that politics is the greatest waste of time and resources in human endeavor, slightly ahead of War. But to each his own.

What, you think Nintendo will be nice to it's consumers on it's own initiative? Ha!

I don't think "nice" is the problem at hand here. A concentrated effort of legitimate complaints backed up by deadpan sales might convince them better than either, but until the problem becomes well-established or published, this is just whining, plain and simple.

People are bitching about EXCLUSIVITY; something that is by no means new to the gaming world.
What makes their case so special? What is newsworthy about these assholes?
Nothing.

They just have a platform to speak the nonsense and a press hungry for any "controversy" they can find.

It's the same kind of bullshit hate-mongering you see on any major news network, and it's becoming increasingly common on the Escapist as of late. Hell, maybe it's a good time to leave..

I think the "news" is that Bayonetta 2 is WiiU exclusive but you know what, the fact that this whining is considered relevant to this story shows how effective it is.

The fact that it's considered relevant speaks volumes of just how badly the gaming community wants to be perceived as nothing more than a market of children.

This isn't some great point of controversy that could change the relationship between gamer and publisher, or some new scheme to milk more money for less real effort; it's just the announcement of a system-exclusive title...attached to a new system no less.

And admit it's not a generation ahead of XBox 360 or PS3. Because it is NOT a generation ahead of the Xbox or PS3. It's advantage over PS3 is like the advantage of PS3 over Xbox 360.

Golden rule of console-value: "It's not just the hardware that counts, it's how you use it."
No games, useless console. Just ask Sony about their Vita.

Pure exclusivity isn't what people are riled up about, it's the fact that it's exclusive to a platform that, for all intents and purposes, is presenting itself as exclusively shit. Also, why capitalize war?

 

[Atmos Duality]

The problem is not exclusivity in itself.

Yes, I'm starting to see that.

The problem is exclusivity to a console they don't have faith in, they are worried that Nintendo's commitment to non-trivial "deep and satisfying games (aka "core games") is disingenuous. They don't want to have to pay $170 extra within a $350 price tag for a tablet controller they resoundingly think is a gimmick not worth the cost and inconvenience.

So, the core-gamers make demands of Nintendo to stop with the gimmicks, and get actual games on their system (two DIFFERENT objectives I personally agree with in fixing the two biggest problems the Wii had), and when Nintendo actually sets out to do one of those, they condemn them anyway.

If it was Xbox 360 exclusive, it would't be such a big deal.

This is the EXACT point where this ceases to be news about Bayonetta 2, and it turns into another whiny diatribe against the WiiU.

If you want the WiiU to fail, don't buy it. That is your one and only real practical choice in the matter, because Nintendo sure as fuck isn't going to listen to you at this point and change it.

it's not hate-mongering, it's GENUINE CRITICISM! The problem is everyone sticking their fingers in their ears and going "La la la la la! Can't hear criticism, Nintendo is great, any criticism is just hate for the sake of hate".

I'm going amend that to "Everyone else".
Hey, you threw me under the bus, at least let me crawl out.

Nothing is above criticism. I know I'm not really well-known or even liked here on the Escapist, but I have most certainly been highly critical of Nintendo before.

I hated the Wii for several reasons despite its intense financial success, and I've learned my lesson.
I'm not buying the WiiU, I don't support the WiiU.

Despite all of that, notice what I didn't do: Go onto some developers' website and rage at them like a lunatic for putting their game out on a system I don't like.

Protesting like adults... somehow babies.

"I WANT TO KICK A DOLPHIN IN ITS VAGINA HARD IM SO ANGRY AT VIDEO GAMES RIGHT NOW".

Obviously statements like that are so "adult". Hell, it's practically Shakespeare.

Screw this, if you're not going to take this seriously... then fugging GOOD DAY SIR!

Hate to tell you this man, but Gene Wilder you are not.

Pure exclusivity isn't what people are riled up about, it's the fact that it's exclusive to a platform that, for all intents and purposes, is presenting itself as exclusively shit.

Already addressed above.

Also, why capitalize war?

Because I love teasing the grammar police.

(edited to avoid the quote police)

 

[Treblaine]

The problem is not exclusivity in itself.

Yes, I'm starting to see that.

The problem is exclusivity to a console they don't have faith in, they are worried that Nintendo's commitment to non-trivial "deep and satisfying games (aka "core games") is disingenuous. They don't want to have to pay $170 extra within a $350 price tag for a tablet controller they resoundingly think is a gimmick not worth the cost and inconvenience.

So, the core-gamers make demands of Nintendo to stop with the gimmicks, and get actual games on their system (two DIFFERENT objectives I personally agree with in fixing the two biggest problems the Wii had), and when Nintendo actually sets out to do one of those, they condemn them anyway.

If it was Xbox 360 exclusive, it would't be such a big deal.

This is the EXACT point where this ceases to be news about Bayonetta 2, and it turns into another whiny diatribe against the WiiU.

If you want the WiiU to fail, don't buy it. That is your one and only real practical choice in the matter, because Nintendo sure as fuck isn't going to listen to you at this point and change it.

it's not hate-mongering, it's GENUINE CRITICISM! The problem is everyone sticking their fingers in their ears and going "La la la la la! Can't hear criticism, Nintendo is great, any criticism is just hate for the sake of hate".

I'm going amend that to "Everyone else".
Hey, you threw me under the bus, at least let me crawl out.

Nothing is above criticism. I know I'm not really well-known or even liked here on the Escapist, but I have most certainly been highly critical of Nintendo before.

I hated the Wii for several reasons despite its intense financial success, and I've learned my lesson.
I'm not buying the WiiU, I don't support the WiiU.

Despite all of that, notice what I didn't do: Go onto some developers' website and rage at them like a lunatic for putting their game out on a system I don't like.

Protesting like adults... somehow babies.

"I WANT TO KICK A DOLPHIN IN ITS VAGINA HARD IM SO ANGRY AT VIDEO GAMES RIGHT NOW".

Obviously statements like that are so "adult". Hell, it's practically Shakespeare.

Nintendo has NOT set out for that with this gimmicky controller and the inadequate internal data-storage capacity

"diatribe against the WiiU."

Which is very much on topic considering this is about a game being released on the WiiU.

"If you want the WiiU to fail, don't buy it."

Obviously not an option if I want to play Bayonetta 2. And I don't want it to fail, I want it to not suck or to not bother at all. Jim Sterling has made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that boycotts do NOT work, while whining most definitely DOES!

Whining work, deal with it. And if you really don't think whining works... then why are you whining about other people whining!?!?!

The dolphin kick is obvious facetiousness, a level of adult humour that went completely over your head.

 

[SilverUchiha]

Here's how I look at it (and yes, I'm sure this has been said on the forum already).

#1 - How many of us were really expecting a Bayonetta sequel? It wasn't the top selling game of 2010. Not only that, according to most lists I looked up (and maybe they're wrong) but it wasn't even in the top 30 selling games of that year. Army of 2, Bioshock 2, MLB 10: The Show, Dante's Inferno, and even something called Mag outsold it. (I've never even heard of Mag). I'm not saying Bayonetta was bad, but green lighting a sequel without higher sales seems riskier than what most publishers are willing to do. So we should be at least thankful that Nintendo was willing to take up that risk, which is somewhat unusual.

#2 - This is part of Nintendo's way to show, "We're going to be a more open platform and get along better with third-party developers." This is partially because they NEED to get along better with them, but also because it gives devs another place to go other than Microsoft and Sony. Based off a lot of what I hear Nintendo's policy will be for online games on this console, I'd say that it'll be a much more open and less "restrictive" space than what Microsoft brought to the table. But I'm also biased against XBL when I have Steam for free.

#3 - This also allows big N to showcase what the WiiU can do (visually speaking) since we all know the guys behind Bayonetta are all about fantastic looking visuals. This will be a big help for Nintendo as well as Bayonetta and the release anywhere else would, in my opinion, be wasted since I argue the impact wouldn't be as big. But this is now speculation, and I could very well be wrong here.

#4 - The overreaction is just that... Overreaction. It's stupid and childish. Kicking a dolphin in the vagina in rage is retarded. I remember when I thought the overreaction to the ME3 ending was stupid, but this is ludicrous. At least they had a valid reason to be upset, the game they paid for didn't end properly. Here, a game people apparently were waiting for is annoucned... and everyone would rather rage about it being a WiiU exclusive instead of rejoicing it's even getting released. Were you those kids that would pout if you didn't get the most expensive gift under the X-Mas tree or have a party better than all your friends? It's because of people who overreact to news like this that we still get labeled as man-children (among other things). Grow up and deal with it. Buy a WiiU and enjoy it. Or don't and don't.

 

[mjcabooseblu]

The problem is not exclusivity in itself.

Yes, I'm starting to see that.

The problem is exclusivity to a console they don't have faith in, they are worried that Nintendo's commitment to non-trivial "deep and satisfying games (aka "core games") is disingenuous. They don't want to have to pay $170 extra within a $350 price tag for a tablet controller they resoundingly think is a gimmick not worth the cost and inconvenience.

So, the core-gamers make demands of Nintendo to stop with the gimmicks, and get actual games on their system (two DIFFERENT objectives I personally agree with in fixing the two biggest problems the Wii had), and when Nintendo actually sets out to do one of those, they condemn them anyway.

If it was Xbox 360 exclusive, it would't be such a big deal.

This is the EXACT point where this ceases to be news about Bayonetta 2, and it turns into another whiny diatribe against the WiiU.

If you want the WiiU to fail, don't buy it. That is your one and only real practical choice in the matter, because Nintendo sure as fuck isn't going to listen to you at this point and change it.

it's not hate-mongering, it's GENUINE CRITICISM! The problem is everyone sticking their fingers in their ears and going "La la la la la! Can't hear criticism, Nintendo is great, any criticism is just hate for the sake of hate".

I'm going amend that to "Everyone else".
Hey, you threw me under the bus, at least let me crawl out.

Nothing is above criticism. I know I'm not really well-known or even liked here on the Escapist, but I have most certainly been highly critical of Nintendo before.

I hated the Wii for several reasons despite its intense financial success, and I've learned my lesson.
I'm not buying the WiiU, I don't support the WiiU.

Despite all of that, notice what I didn't do: Go onto some developers' website and rage at them like a lunatic for putting their game out on a system I don't like.

Protesting like adults... somehow babies.

"I WANT TO KICK A DOLPHIN IN ITS VAGINA HARD IM SO ANGRY AT VIDEO GAMES RIGHT NOW".

Obviously statements like that are so "adult". Hell, it's practically Shakespeare.

Screw this, if you're not going to take this seriously... then fugging GOOD DAY SIR!

Hate to tell you this man, but Gene Wilder you are not.

Pure exclusivity isn't what people are riled up about, it's the fact that it's exclusive to a platform that, for all intents and purposes, is presenting itself as exclusively shit.

Already addressed above.

Also, why capitalize war?

Because I love teasing the grammar police.

(edited to avoid the quote police)

Honestly, I have no problem with Nintendo getting core games. And yes, My biggest complaints with Nintendo are the gimmicky bullshit and the lack of core games. But the thing is, you can't just fix one or the other. Getting the system core games does nothing to help their image if the system is, in and of itself, nothing but a collection of gimmicks that somehow manage to play off each other to make the system less desirable than the sum of all its undesirable parts. I think that really what's happening here is we're both representing two sides of the same argument, and very vehemently agreeing. We both want Nintendo to be better, but we have different approaches; yours is to not buy their product, like many others, to reduce their funding, and mine is to make known to them that as a fan of systems like the N64 and GameCube, this shit will not fly. The real problem is that we're so used to having to fight people on the Escapist forums, we've come to the conclusion that we're against each other. But we shouldn't hate each other, we should team up and hate other people!

Also, little-known fact, dolphins are assholes of the gaping variety.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Obviously not an option if I want to play Bayonetta 2. And I don't want it to fail, I want it to not suck or to not bother at all. Jim Sterling has made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that boycotts do NOT work, while whining most definitely DOES!

Yeah, I figured you'd come to shill Sterling's line.
If there is one topic I did not agree with him on, it's that whining is always better than economic process. You might get what you want if you whine loud enough, but it ALWAYS comes at a price (just like in politics, someone eventually has to foot the bill).

As for boycotts not working...that's a goddamned lie, and one that gets perpetuated constantly.

A cursory glance over the history of the industrial revolution, all the way up to modern times will show it.

Railroad boycotts that altered industries...Rosa Parks and the bus boycotts that got her national attention.

Whipping out a blanket argument like "Boycotts don't work" when historically, they have, is just desperate at this point.

Whining work, deal with it. And if you really don't think whining works... then why are you whining about other people whining!?!?!

Because nothing is above criticism, including other criticism.

The dolphin kick is obvious facetiousness, a level of adult humour that went completely over your head.

No, it's the sort of insane gibberish line I've come to expect from whiny manchildren who still haven't grasped that LIFE IS UNFAIR.

Insulting my intelligence on top of that?
Grow up.

 

[Therumancer]

Well, to be honest dramatic tweets and such are how you let companies know what you think. If your quiet, polite, and subdued, your generally easy to ignore. We saw things done this way because it would get attention (as you see, it did).

Whether there will be any more uproar after this depends on a lot of factors, including how fanatical the Bayonetta fan base actually is, and of course how the developer responds.

That said direct threats (which I'm guessing are sufficient in number to make this unusual) are new, and I think we can sort of blame EA for that one. See, when companies ignore the demands of massive groups of fans and hide behind corperate invulnerability and unaccountability it makes people increasingly angrier. A company winning a given battle just makes the fans more angry when similar kinds of issues come along later. After the way EA didn't change the ME3 ending, among other things, I can see how gamers are getting to the point where threats are becomong more frequent. I don't know who will trigger it, but keep going down this path and we'll probably see our first video game inspired riots and/or murders aimed at companies. It sounds dramatic, but notice it is building.

That said, I kind of like Bayonetta, and am a bit disappointed by this one, but not to the point of getting really angry or motivated (nothing like I was over ME3). I think right now this entire thing increasingly stupid though.


The companies are stupid because the guys who played the original Bayonetta didn't play the game on a Nintendo console. Expecting people to be happy about the sequel being exclusive to an entirely differant brand as the first one is kind of silly.

Bayonetta was a game that was well reviewed, especially in Japan where it allegedly outscored Final Fantasy in a lot of their periodicals. BUT it wasn't exactly one of the blockbuster successes of the generation from the way it seems to me. Nintendo is kind of hoping that a "big" game like this will encourage people who want to play it to buy their console, perfectly logical business, of course this is a game where people are more likely to choose to go without it than invest in the hardware (as opposed to some other big series where it could be more of a factor). A lot of the anger is for that reason, people are not taking this as "I'll need a Nintendo" so much as "I'm not going to be able to play Bayonetta".

Nintendo would have done better to aim at a franchise that already had an install base on their console (if such a thing is possible) as well as being cross platform, as opposed to basically trying to poach from the competition.


Those complaining are stupid, because it's unlikely that Nintendo bought the franchise outright, and if they stick to their guns and the plan fails, your probably going to see Bayonetta come to other consoles as soon as they can.

See, right now making an exclusive deal with Nintendo is easy because Nintendo is going to be the first to put out a next gen console (jumping the gun like the old Dreamcast), if Bayonetta 2 is a true next gen title, it ptobably exploits hardware beyond the 360 or PS-3's capabilities. By the time we see the next Microsoft and Sony consoles out they will probably have options to develop for them.

I hope I'm articulating this well. In short, it just seems dumb all around. That said I do notice the tide of gamer anger rising in general, if the industry doesn't stop provoking gamers (and I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what was going to happen here) eventually things are going to blow.

We'll all shed tears about the insanity of it when we first hear about some game developer or executive from the publishing end getting beaten to death by a fan or shot at a con, or how some riot happens that leads to deaths. But understand the seeds of that is being planted right now, as we see the insentiy of anger rising, with the industry (game companies in general) being unwilling to recognize the signs and back off the cutthroat business manuvering and pay attention to their customers. The anger does seem to be getting worse and worse, and eventually some of those people who are nuts enough to threaten to kill themselves or burn down a company are going to spawn some people that are just borked enough to do it.

This last part is kind of a plea for the industry to just chill out more than anything. Of course I imagine half the problem is that all the differant companies are stuck in their own worlds and wartching the money, rather than really paying attention to what's going on. I'd imagine Nintendo doesn't put much thought into "retake Mass Effect", to really notice a pattern here in the rising levels of protest, and how with each user uprising the level of crazy seems to be going up in increments.

 

[lordmardok]

The point of: "Well a game coming out with some restrictions is better than it not coming out at all" is a fallacious argument. While the less loquacious of our gamer community lacks the ability to accurately express the reasons for our rage it does not lessen the anger by any means so let me clear some points.

1. We are not angry because it's coming out on a console we don't own. If it was coming out on the PS4 we'd be ecstatic. We're angry because it's coming out on a console with the processing power of a potato. This means that the game will be subpar and will probably be lacking any of the really meaty aspects we would expect from next gen game. Bayonetta had great visual flair, lets face the reality of it, Nintendo does not have a great track record for that kind of thing.

2. We're also angry because it's being mishandled. It's exclusivity was sold to a company with a terribly history of buggering up the bunghole any games that it try's to make look 'serious'. We all remember the "Other M" debacle. Universally panned by anyone with a working brain. In short, we're not just angry. We're terrified. Bayonetta is actually a pretty cool character in a pretty cool universe with some really cool powers. Nintendo has a history of showing up and diligently ruining everything cool about it's games with the kind of dedication most people would put into making something decent.

So there you have it. Anytime you see an angry nerd rage rant or something like that, take a step back and remember that in reality these are probably fairly reasonable people who are just putting out the extreme to show a point. Only a truly idiotic person would take the "I'm going to kill myself over this game" yell seriously because frankly no matter how it turns out it's a win. If they're just being extreme to make a point then that's fine, if they would really do that then it removes them from the gene pool. So don't look at these posts like they're the ravings of a madman, remember that they're all actual people behind them and, while they might lack the tools to express it, have a totally legitimate grievance.

 

[mjcabooseblu]

Not necessarily the most on-topic reply, but I realize that the only love I have left for Nintendo is a few of their established franchises--in other words, because they have a stranglehold on these games and are terrified to allow them on other platforms because they know they could be better. When I think about it logically, really the only reason I have left to like them is actually just another reason to want them to fail.

 

[Treblaine]

As for boycotts not working...that's a goddamned lie, and one that gets perpetuated constantly.

A cursory glance over the history of the industrial revolution, all the way up to modern times will show it.

Railroad boycotts that altered industries...Rosa Parks and the bus boycotts that got her national attention.

Whipping out a blanket argument like "Boycotts don't work" when historically, they have, is just desperate at this point.

"As for boycotts not working...that's a goddamned lie"

(EDIT)I don't think that's very fair, lets try to ease back the rhetoric.

It was NOT a "blanket boycotts don't work", I am talking about for video games and they do NOT work in this industry. You'd struggle to find an example of even a single popular boycott in recent history of this industry that worked the way it intended.

And you know what really REALLY worked for the Civil Rights movement: protesting. Protesting the shit out of it, huge massive marches that shamed the establishment into rectifying the injustices. Boycotts alone didn't get the accomplishments the Civil Rights movement did get for minorities in America.

PS: railroads almost always got what they wanted till more lucrative forms of transport came along, then they got their own way.