Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

[pandorum]

What I do not understand why just go for the squeal? what about Nintendo fan-boys? Who never played the first its like mass effect 3 why not do a double pack for the WiiU? But robbing a squeal for a game that's low man.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

1. We are not angry because it's coming out on a console we don't own. If it was coming out on the PS4 we'd be ecstatic. We're angry because it's coming out on a console with the processing power of a potato. This means that the game will be subpar and will probably be lacking any of the really meaty aspects we would expect from next gen game. Bayonetta had great visual flair, lets face the reality of it, Nintendo does not have a great track record for that kind of thing.

2. We're also angry because it's being mishandled. It's exclusivity was sold to a company with a terribly history of buggering up the bunghole any games that it try's to make look 'serious'. We all remember the "Other M" debacle. Universally panned by anyone with a working brain. In short, we're not just angry. We're terrified. Bayonetta is actually a pretty cool character in a pretty cool universe with some really cool powers. Nintendo has a history of showing up and diligently ruining everything cool about it's games with the kind of dedication most people would put into making something decent.

1: False. Games on the WiiU are already equivalent to looking like PS3 and Xbox 360 Games. Look at this image:

They look the exact gosh dang same! Heck, I'd say the WiiU has more realistic Eyes then the PS3 does. If games already look that good on the WiiU, imagine how they'll look further down the road? Your argument fails when in the face of actual video, gameplay, and screenshots of WiiU games. Thus, your first arguement is null and void.

2: False again. Nintendo has a history of not interfering with other companies that make exclusives for their systems. This is best illistrated with a game called "Conkers Bad Fur Day":


This is the original on Nintendo 64. Please note, that words like "Shit" and "Twat" are completely uncensored. Also note, that the only word censored in the game is the word "Fuck". This was Rare Wares Decision, and Nintendo did nothing to hinder them.

Now please pay attention to the fallowing:


This is the XBox version. Please note that almost every naughty word imaginable is censored, including the words "Shit" and "Twat". This was not Rares Decision, but Microsoft's. Nintendo was more then fine with publishing a game that was 99% uncensored. Microsoft wasn't, and so they forced Rareware to Censor every naughty word.

Also, please note games on the Wii like "Mad World" and "No More Heroes". These games are as adult as any other game on XBox or PS3, and yet, they were not censored or altered in any way.

Your second arguement falls flat on it's face when games like "Mad World" and "Conker's Bad Fur Day" come peeping their heads out. Nintendo does not tell game makers how to make their games; they let them do what they want.

Now, I will agree that Nintendo doesn't actively market these games, which is what the real problem is. However, I believe Nintendo will fix this issue, since they actually had a teaser for Bayonetta 2, instead of just saying "Yeah, we got Bayonetta 2. You should look for it sometime..."

 

[Gameslayer_93]

never understood this rage, its all about patience tbh, if the game does well chances are it'll get ported to other consoles, if not then it probably isn't worth your time

 

[SpAc3man]

Why won't people just consider getting a Wii U? It will be the most powerful console when it comes out. Don't see why the hate is warranted at all.

some have considered it and said it isn't worth it

It would seem to me the majority refuse to consider it for no reason other than it is a Nintendo console.

 

[reithena]

never understood this rage, its all about patience tbh, if the game does well chances are it'll get ported to other consoles, if not then it probably isn't worth your time

Honestly, if it doesn't do well and there is still a call for it on the other systems there will probably be a port anyway.

 

[Sehnsucht Engel]

I did enjoy the first Bayonetta, so it's kind of sad that it's becoming a Wii U exclusive, since I will never buy a nintendo console. On the other hand, it was years ago since I had access to a microsoft or sony console, so it's not like it matters that much. I'm glad they get to make a second game if they wanted to do that.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Right. I've calmed down.

And you know what really REALLY worked for the Civil Rights movement: protesting. Protesting the shit out of it, huge massive marches that shamed the establishment into rectifying the injustices. Boycotts alone didn't get the accomplishments the Civil Rights movement did get for minorities in America.

Exactly, but the point to take from that is it was protests COMBINED with a boycott that actually had a spine, which is much more effective than either alone.
(it is here where I diverge from Jim Sterling's perspective)

The difference today is the form of scale. Gaming is a global business now.

It isn't enough to ruin a company's image. PR can dismiss you as the vocal minority and carry on. I've seen it. I've experienced it. It's remarkably common in the telecoms business.

To be effective, you need to make it clear that your movement represents SIGNIFICANT BUSINESS to them. The sooner those companies draw the correlation between outrage, boycotts, and falling profits, the more likely you are to get what you want.

Mass Effect 3 was the first time I ever saw anger over a game at such a scale, but now that seems to be escalating.

However, it's still primarily stuck in a mob-mentality; proverbial pitchforks and torches.
Without organization or open coherent thought, it's just petulant whining. They may have a goal, but their targets are amorphous, striking out at whoever may support the object of their ire (even if the victim has little to no say in the matter).

Also, there always exists the real possibility that due to legal/financial entrapment, you won't get what you want regardless of protest. Japanese game ports are becoming increasingly uncommon, and Nintendo is no different. Personally, I'm surprised Bayonetta 2 got picked up at all.

(I'm guessing Japanese Publishers don't want to trade down to us. Socially, I don't know why they have withdrawn so much from the gaming market).

 

[Treblaine]

Right. I've calmed down.

And you know what really REALLY worked for the Civil Rights movement: protesting. Protesting the shit out of it, huge massive marches that shamed the establishment into rectifying the injustices. Boycotts alone didn't get the accomplishments the Civil Rights movement did get for minorities in America.

Exactly, but the point to take from that is it was protests COMBINED with a boycott that actually had a spine, which is much more effective than either alone.
(it is here where I diverge from Jim Sterling's perspective)

The difference today is the form of scale. Gaming is a global business now.

It isn't enough to ruin a company's image. PR can dismiss you as the vocal minority and carry on. I've seen it. I've experienced it. It's remarkably common in the telecoms business.

To be effective, you need to make it clear that your movement represents SIGNIFICANT BUSINESS to them. The sooner those companies draw the correlation between outrage, boycotts, and falling profits, the more likely you are to get what you want.

Mass Effect 3 was the first time I ever saw anger over a game at such a scale, but now that seems to be escalating.

However, it's still primarily stuck in a mob-mentality; proverbial pitchforks and torches.
Without organization or open coherent thought, it's just petulant whining. They may have a goal, but their targets are amorphous, striking out at whoever may support the object of their ire (even if the victim has little to no say in the matter).

Also, there always exists the real possibility that due to legal/financial entrapment, you won't get what you want regardless of protest. Japanese game ports are becoming increasingly uncommon, and Nintendo is no different. Personally, I'm surprised Bayonetta 2 got picked up at all.

(I'm guessing Japanese Publishers don't want to trade down to us. Socially, I don't know why they have withdrawn so much from the gaming market).

Here is the thing, with the way Nintendo and other companies launch products it's too late to boycott.

See, you aren't disputing a SINGLE PART of Jim Sterling's argument... you are simply rejecting it, denying it, no refutation.

And here is the thing I AM BOYCOTTING NINTENDO! I haven't bought any of their products and I don't plan on buying WiiU as it is. But I would be much more interested in the Wiiu if:
-larger internal storage for significant game installation
-Reduce price to $240 with that large capacity
-dropped the tablet controller in favour of the Pro Controller that they already have ready: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2012/06/Wii-U-Pro-Controller1.jpg

See, boycott + protesting...

 

[mjcabooseblu]

bunch of irrelevant stuff

I feel like you're missing the point spectacularly. It doesn't matter how much they cram into the thing, the fact of the matter is it's still just a bunch of gimmicks thrown together to appeal to those with a shorter attention span. And even if you're talking about the tech, you've provided a piss-poor example of the graphical capabilities. Each of those cells is, what, 490 by 250? (eyeballing it) It doesn't "prove" that either looks better than the other, because neither is at its best. It's like a drag race with a maximum allowed speed of 40 kph, and the WiiU looks like it has some issues handling the turns.

As for that second point...so? To you people, games like MadWorld and Conkers BFD are "mature?" At this point you're just asking to be ridiculed.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

I feel like you're missing the point spectacularly. It doesn't matter how much they cram into the thing, the fact of the matter is it's still just a bunch of gimmicks thrown together to appeal to those with a shorter attention span. And even if you're talking about the tech, you've provided a piss-poor example of the graphical capabilities. Each of those cells is, what, 490 by 250? (eyeballing it) It doesn't "prove" that either looks better than the other, because neither is at its best. It's like a drag race with a maximum allowed speed of 40 kph, and the WiiU looks like it has some issues handling the turns.

As for that second point...so? To you people, games like MadWorld and Conkers BFD are "mature?" At this point you're just asking to be ridiculed.

1: Okay, you can claim that Touch screen tech is a gimmick (Even though it has been used over and over again and it works), but then what about the Kinnect? The Move? The dumb Smart Glasses? Are they not gimmicks?

Your point wasn't "Nintendo does nothing but Gimmicks now and days!" Your point was "Nintendo's System is an underpowered wimp". I prove that wrong, and then you jump to "That doesn't matter, they're using Gimmicks!" Please tend to one point.

Also, the PS3 has been out for 6 years now, 6, Years! If it hasn't reached it's peak with graphics yet, then by god, what's keeping it from being it's true self?! Are programmers and Engineers and Animators just that lazy?!

2|: ... Fuck yeah, those games are freakin' Mature (Not in the sense of being intellectual, but in the sense of content, yeah!). Have you even played Conker's Bad Fur Day or MadWorld? My God! I might just have to post some footage to prove how Mature they are!





Again, your point is not "Pbbt, Nintendo Never publishes Adult Games". Your point was "Nintendo's gonna interfere and make the game kid friendly!" When I point that wrong, again, you say "Whatever, those games aren't mature anyways!"

Your not staying on point. Your missing everything I am saying. You're blocking out things when I prove you wrong, and you jump to another problem, which had nothing to do with what we were talking about. You are finding every excuse to hate the WiiU. If you want to prove my original claims wrong, which proved your original claims wrong, please do so. Do NOT jump the ship when I prove you wrong, without admitting you were wrong.

 

[Atmos Duality]

See, you aren't disputing a SINGLE PART of Jim Sterling's argument... you are simply rejecting it, denying it, no refutation.

There isn't much else to say, apart from this:
I dispute the part where he says that boycotts don't work, where whining, AND ONLY WHINING DOES.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

I just had a realization...

Wait a minute, I wasn't quoting you at all! D:

I was quoting Lord Mardok!:

The point of: "Well a game coming out with some restrictions is better than it not coming out at all" is a fallacious argument. While the less loquacious of our gamer community lacks the ability to accurately express the reasons for our rage it does not lessen the anger by any means so let me clear some points.

1. We are not angry because it's coming out on a console we don't own. If it was coming out on the PS4 we'd be ecstatic. We're angry because it's coming out on a console with the processing power of a potato. This means that the game will be subpar and will probably be lacking any of the really meaty aspects we would expect from next gen game. Bayonetta had great visual flair, lets face the reality of it, Nintendo does not have a great track record for that kind of thing.

2. We're also angry because it's being mishandled. It's exclusivity was sold to a company with a terribly history of buggering up the bunghole any games that it try's to make look 'serious'. We all remember the "Other M" debacle. Universally panned by anyone with a working brain. In short, we're not just angry. We're terrified. Bayonetta is actually a pretty cool character in a pretty cool universe with some really cool powers. Nintendo has a history of showing up and diligently ruining everything cool about it's games with the kind of dedication most people would put into making something decent.

So there you have it. Anytime you see an angry nerd rage rant or something like that, take a step back and remember that in reality these are probably fairly reasonable people who are just putting out the extreme to show a point. Only a truly idiotic person would take the "I'm going to kill myself over this game" yell seriously because frankly no matter how it turns out it's a win. If they're just being extreme to make a point then that's fine, if they would really do that then it removes them from the gene pool. So don't look at these posts like they're the ravings of a madman, remember that they're all actual people behind them and, while they might lack the tools to express it, have a totally legitimate grievance.

No wonder why you thought I was wrong and I thought you avoided your original posts. I wasn't quoting you at all! XD Sorry about that, no hard feelings.

 

[mjcabooseblu]

I just had a realization...

Wait a minute, I wasn't quoting you at all! D:

I was quoting Lord Mardok!:

The point of: "Well a game coming out with some restrictions is better than it not coming out at all" is a fallacious argument. While the less loquacious of our gamer community lacks the ability to accurately express the reasons for our rage it does not lessen the anger by any means so let me clear some points.

1. We are not angry because it's coming out on a console we don't own. If it was coming out on the PS4 we'd be ecstatic. We're angry because it's coming out on a console with the processing power of a potato. This means that the game will be subpar and will probably be lacking any of the really meaty aspects we would expect from next gen game. Bayonetta had great visual flair, lets face the reality of it, Nintendo does not have a great track record for that kind of thing.

2. We're also angry because it's being mishandled. It's exclusivity was sold to a company with a terribly history of buggering up the bunghole any games that it try's to make look 'serious'. We all remember the "Other M" debacle. Universally panned by anyone with a working brain. In short, we're not just angry. We're terrified. Bayonetta is actually a pretty cool character in a pretty cool universe with some really cool powers. Nintendo has a history of showing up and diligently ruining everything cool about it's games with the kind of dedication most people would put into making something decent.

So there you have it. Anytime you see an angry nerd rage rant or something like that, take a step back and remember that in reality these are probably fairly reasonable people who are just putting out the extreme to show a point. Only a truly idiotic person would take the "I'm going to kill myself over this game" yell seriously because frankly no matter how it turns out it's a win. If they're just being extreme to make a point then that's fine, if they would really do that then it removes them from the gene pool. So don't look at these posts like they're the ravings of a madman, remember that they're all actual people behind them and, while they might lack the tools to express it, have a totally legitimate grievance.

No wonder why you thought I was wrong and I thought you avoided your original posts. I wasn't quoting you at all! XD Sorry about that, no hard feelings.

None at all. We may be in the wicked shit but no time like the present to pull out.

 

[mjcabooseblu]

I've read through the first 3-4 pages so no idea if anyone has mentioned this. Remember way way back in 1996/1997 when it was announced that Final Fantasy will no longer be on Nintendo but going to this relatively untested machine called the Playstation? If you can't then stop your whining, yes it's not ideal for the fans of the game but as long as Platinum remains in control (for the most part) I'm sure it'll be a great game. You may need to shell out a few hundred to get the Wii U to play it, but I doubt the game itself will fail.

You're right, the Playstation was a largely untested platform. The Wii is not. Nintendo has given us no reason to believe that they will change with their new console gimmick.