Gamers Without Internet Can Stick With Xbox 360, Says Microsoft

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RicoADF

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Bloedhoest said:
RicoADF said:
Bloedhoest said:
Does any of you guys know what internet speed is required for the xbone?
According to Microsoft its ?For an optimal experience, we recommend a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps.?

Source:
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/06/can-your-network-handle-the-optimal-xbox-one-experience/
Thanks! Well, that's one reason to buy the Xbone. My connection speed holds up. On the other hand I don't like a Hall9000/Telescreen in my room. Guess i'll buy an PS4, unless spy equipment is also mandatory on the PS4.
I wouldn't be so fast on the XBone, while your net may be past their suggested speeds it wont stop any drop outs by them, weather unplanned or planned (such as when they shut live down for XBone in 10-15 or so years time), the latter would basically turn off every XBone on earth and make it an effective brick. This may not be an issue to you if you only follow the newest games (I don't know your taste in games, this is not meant offensively at all), but as someone who still has his first PSX games and every game ever purchased since, that's a big deal breaker knowing they'd kill a whole generation of games in my collection.
 

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Bellvedere said:
I honestly don't understand why this is surprising let alone news.
It's mostly just the bass-akwards-ness of the whole thing. I mean, this guy is honestly suggesting that a) he (and Microsoft, by extension) just outright doesn't care that a portion of his target audience will not be able (or, in some cases, want) to purchase his product, and b) a product that will cease to be supported in a year or two and that has less power under the hood would be the logical alternative to the Xbox One, as opposed to, say, its direct competitors, the PS4 and the Wii U.

I mean. This, basically:
Sir Pootis said:
How could anyone possibly NOT see the problem with a statement like this? It can be summed up as "Don't have the ability to meet OUR console's standards? Then don't buy our console!" I mean, they're actually ENCOURAGING people not to buy their stuff? Why? What's the point?
There really doesn't seem to be a point. Not that anyone can discern, anyway.
WouldYouKindly said:
SpunkeyMonkey said:
"GAMERS WITHOUT INTERNET CAN GO TO SONY, NINTENDO OR THE PC"

......Just unreal.
if you don't have internet, I don't imagine you'd have a lot of use for a PC.
I've said it, like, fifty times since the Xbone was revealed, but . . . my complaint about the sorta-always-on-ness is that I live on campus at my college, and they block consoles from having access to the internet. So, I can use my PC there just fine. I can play whatever online games I like that way. I cannot, however, use a Xbone at school. So. Derp.
Ultratwinkie said:
So, your argument is basically "These things are really complicated and, as such, need constant work to perfect them . . . so it shouldn't be all that hard for these people to never fuck up ever"? I mean. Come on now, guy. It's a piece of machinery designed by humans. It's NEVER going to be perfect, and you don't know why the demo was acting so buggy. Maybe it was Sony's fault. Maybe not. Maybe everyone else just got lucky when they were doing their Black Flag demos. We don't know, and it's absolutely silly to pretend like anything (especially a goddamn computer) should ever function perfectly 100% of the time.

Fun anecdote: you know what my Xbox 360 did about an hour after I bought it? It froze right in the middle of Fallout 3. That shit happens. You can't work out every bug in every system. You're really being overly critical, I think.
 

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I do so hate to repeat myself, but HAHAHA no I don't:

THIS JUST IN
MICROSOFT PRESENTS SONY WITH BARREL OF FISH AND A RIFLE
Sony obliges.
 

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Wait, there's a windows 8? :p

Really, Microsoft. Lets assume people are as stupid and uninformed as you do (which they aren't) then...why would these stupid people buy yours when the console next to it in store costs less? I mean, sure, you might still keep the hardcore xbox COD players and the like...but what else? Don't you need growth? I thought that was desirable to you...
 

Drops a Sweet Katana

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You know what faceless Microsoft exec, I will. I will stick with my 360 rather than throw money at your shitty console. While I'm at it, I'll buy a PS4 and possibly upgrade my PC. Funny thing is, my connection is reasonably good. Basically MS can shove it for all it's worth.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Yeah? And Microsoft Execs without tact can kiss my ass. Sadly enough they're probably still going to make millions of dollars off the stupid console because there are more than enough sheep who'll still buy the damn thing, despite the shitty online requirement and other shitty features as well as Microsoft's shitty PR which now rivals EA's in terms of shear awfulness.
 

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DoPo said:
I can't wait to see Sony taking advantage of this. So far the amount of salt they've rubbed in Microsoft's self-inflicted wound is...amusing

...oh my god this is the greatest video ever. I NEED that. I need it FRAMED.

OT: I would stick with my 360, but I dont want to buy anuything for it now because at least part of the money will go to Microsoft. I am seriously considering cancelling my Xbox Live GOLD account and just gettin PS+ instead.
 

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I guarantee you there are people in the EA boardroom right now staring longingly at their 'Worst Company in America' award weeping...'B-but...how....can we compete with this?!?!'
 

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SpunkeyMonkey said:
Ahh, so Microsoft have decided that "shoddy/no internet people are not going to be their target demographic." Just like they have decided that people who don't want DRM aren't their demographic either (easily obtainable figures from Xbox Live downloads). Nor those who want to pay a reasonable price for a console either (again easily obtainable figures from sales of past consoles at various prices).

It's all part of a perfect plan they are executing, silly me lol

Either that, or someone could have just made a few cock ups. Just because they are a big company, doesn't meant they don't make mistakes, and stats can easily be part of that.

Judging by their overall actions recently, I really don't think it's too far fetched to assume that someone's not doing their job right........remember........this thread is about a statement they've released which totally ignores that any other console brands exist. They're a bit blinkered to say the least and will see what they want, from stats, situations or otherwise.
Perfect? No. The console has plenty of problems ahead of it, but I am of the opinion that they have more to do with original cause for protest regarding the first announcment and the focus on media with distinctive lack of games. Along with the high price point and required(?)/bundled Kinect, sure, I question the consoles appeal. The kinect wouldn't even be a problem (if not exactly a benefit for someone who doesn't desire it), but given the problem of price, it's inclusion is likely the cause.

So, no. Not perfect, but regarding the always online / DRM? I really don't see it as a real issue, especially considering that as far as I can tell 'always online' is really only a once a day check-in. While annoying in principle that is something I could manage even in my rural growing up on a farm in the middle of nowhere days.

But as I was saying, while statistics put the population with poor/no internet suprisingly high, those people do not coorespond with Microsofts target market, which is the xbox live subscribing (46 million users as of April), online player that does have decent internet, and will more than likely never even notice these issues in practice.

The console may have plenty of issues ahead of it, but as far as this internet-requiring business goes, the biggest hurdle is bad press. All things considered, I think that once released, (barring any RROD level incidents) and out in the public for a while, these sorts of protests will die off faced with reality and the console will do just fine (or if it doesn't, price and lack of games will be the problem, little else).

Edit:

In addition, undecided about the used game thing. To begin, there's the likely point that simply selling the console does not make MS money, might even be at a loss. They rely on XBL, DLC, and game sales for profit.

So, on the face of the matter, losing the 'used game player' market makes no different to them. They wouldn't want to sell to those people anyways. And people who only buy new aren't going to be affected anyways.

Really then, the 'at risk' market is people who do buy new and used, and may be swayed away by the lack of the latter option, thus costing ms the portion of games they do buy new. Also, those who want to share games with friends.

Now, I have no idea what those numbers would be. I've bought both used and new games, but I'm not sure I could say that not having the option to get used would sway me from buying a console if it had titles I wanted to play. Overall, I'd expect that at most, it will be a deciding factor for people who are really on the fence between this and a PS4. So a point for Sony, sure, but likely not a critical blow for MS.

Most of the same logic applies to sharing games. But frankly, it's been a long time since I've bothered sharing console games with friends anyways. No idea how important that is to most people, but the people who will hate it the most are people who aren't buying the games anyways.
 

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Jadak said:
SpunkeyMonkey said:
Ahh, so Microsoft have decided that "shoddy/no internet people are not going to be their target demographic." Just like they have decided that people who don't want DRM aren't their demographic either (easily obtainable figures from Xbox Live downloads). Nor those who want to pay a reasonable price for a console either (again easily obtainable figures from sales of past consoles at various prices).

It's all part of a perfect plan they are executing, silly me lol

Either that, or someone could have just made a few cock ups. Just because they are a big company, doesn't meant they don't make mistakes, and stats can easily be part of that.

Judging by their overall actions recently, I really don't think it's too far fetched to assume that someone's not doing their job right........remember........this thread is about a statement they've released which totally ignores that any other console brands exist. They're a bit blinkered to say the least and will see what they want, from stats, situations or otherwise.
Perfect? No. The console has plenty of problems ahead of it, but I am of the opinion that they have more to do with original cause for protest regarding the first announcment and the focus on media with distinctive lack of games. Along with the high price point and required(?)/bundled Kinect, sure, I question the consoles appeal. The kinect wouldn't even be a problem (if not exactly a benefit for someone who doesn't desire it), but given the problem of price, it's inclusion is likely the cause.

So, no. Not perfect, but regarding the always online / DRM? I really don't see it as a real issue, especially considering that as far as I can tell 'always online' is really only a once a day check-in. While annoying in principle that is something I could manage even in my rural growing up on a farm in the middle of nowhere days.

But as I was saying, while statistics put the population with poor/no internet suprisingly high, those people do not coorespond with Microsofts target market, which is the xbox live subscribing (46 million users as of April), online player that does have decent internet, and will more than likely never even notice these issues in practice.

The console may have plenty of issues ahead of it, but as far as this internet-requiring business goes, the biggest hurdle is bad press. All things considered, I think that once released, (barring any RROD level incidents) and out in the public for a while, these sorts of protests will die off faced with reality and the console will do just fine (or if it doesn't, price and lack of games will be the problem, little else).
Personally, it's not about the "incovenience" of 24- hour checks. I have perfect internet connection here in Switzerland, so I wouldn't have any trouble getting checked. But as a principle, this is asinine. You're asked to tolerate something, which limits your control over the console for no benefit to you. Moreover, if there's something with Microsoft services, you're out of control over the situation.

Once again, I don't have a problem with passing the checks, but the sheer thought of having them, of Microsoft controlling the thing I spent 500 Euro on is unacceptable. And it's worth for me more than Ryze and Quantum Break. (NB. All that TV stuff is not working here in Europe so we really have no added value over PS4 on that front)
 

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I was planning on sticking with the 360 anyway. My worry is a few years after the Xbox-One comes out they'll just decide to shut down the 360 servers. Just send out a mass email saying how grateful they are for all the support the 360 got and what a wonderful console it was and how lucky they are and all the happy corporate crap. And then shut 'em down.
 

Balimaar

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Loved this video earlier!


Not too sure about the NSA conspiracy theories in the comments section but hey I was there for the video and usually stick clear of the most intelligent area of YouTube.
 

Vrex360

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Okay I seriously have to know, do the Microsoft executives have some kind of deep seated self destructive inferiority complex? Are they intentionally trying to sabotage themselves? Do they WANT to fail?
I mean they have pretty much just openly admitted that people with issues should not buy their system and this is terrible as a business strategy. If your customer base is being limited by your tech, you find a way to fix it so it can still be sold to them, you don't just give up like that.
 

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Did anyone see these in the comments?

Perfect.
Just perfect.

EDIT: I was honestly going to buy both consoles.
Because I don't really care all that much about the online thing.


But the FACT the Microsoft has the balls to say this.

Well they just lost my 500 dollars.
 

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Microsoft really needs to shut this Mattrick guy up and fast. If the Xbox one fail his head will be the one on the pike and he'll be run on a rail out the door.

As for the news itself when i first heard it i had no words really. I mean how do you get that far up the company ladder when you don't know how to deliver a bs noncommittal answer on the spot? You don't tell someone to buy something else when you're trying to sell a product even if you are directing them to your own stuff. Mattrick needs to go to the seminars that EA execs go to to learn how to bs and lie properly.
 

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Microsoft's obviously company-wide attitude would make some kind of sense, while still being quite dickish, if there was a strong market leading demand for their products.
But, there really isn't a demand. In today's market, they're coming off of the disappointing launch of Windows Phone, the disappointing launch of Windows 8 and the disappointing launch of their Surface tablets. While still churning out a healthy profit, they're losing ground in every market they're in.

Microsoft needs to sit down, think about why people should need the Xbone, and create a clear message that justifies their intrusive DRM, anti-consumer practices and why they feel that the market needs to change this way - and why it benefits their customers.
So far, they've completely and utterly failed to explain why anyone - anyone at all - should buy this device at it's high price point.

Having said that, I honestly suspect that this "hard line" approach - this "haters gonna hate" attitude - is the companies stance because, at the end of the day, there really isn't any benefits to the customer over the current system. It's all about them and their partners, and it's painfully obvious that they've got nothing good to say.
Cancelling virtually every post-E3 conference interview screams this, to me at least.

I still say that Microsoft honestly believed that the Kinect-powered TV features would be enough. That, even if a backlash similar to Diablo III formed, the applause of those wanting "Minority Report TV" would drown them out.

I can't wait to see their responses when the Xbone is dead by the end of the year.

Captcha: fire and brimstone.
 

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Something is in the water at Microsoft, something causing them to make very, very stupid decisions. I've said it before I'll say it again. If they have any sense then they will backpedal so hard before release.

All I know is Sony are laughing all the way to the bank.