Games accused of promoting racism and sexism!
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Inb4 Grand theft au-Damn it!
Seeing as how games have clearly skewed my perceptions of reality, I think I'll protest this video by stealing a car, killing dozens of innocents and getting phat lootz to unlock the last achievement.
I love being a gamer.
Inb4 Grand theft au-Damn it!
Seeing as how games have clearly skewed my perceptions of reality, I think I'll protest this video by stealing a car, killing dozens of innocents and getting phat lootz to unlock the last achievement.
I love being a gamer.
This type of thing is nothing new; how many times have games been scapegoated as the cause of violence?
But this annoyed me, as neither of the other two people seemed willing to let the pro-game guy talk. Also, they didn't really seem to know much about what they were talking about...
But this annoyed me, as neither of the other two people seemed willing to let the pro-game guy talk. Also, they didn't really seem to know much about what they were talking about...
As soon as he introduces the guests, I think...
"Game guy. The only sensible one.
Old lady. Against video games.
Old guy. Against video games.
It's gonna be a three-on-one "discussion" in which nothing is really learned by anyone, and they just argue about thinking of the children and violence is bad, games should be destroyed."
Let's see if I'm right...
Two minutes in... Yep, I'm right. The game guy gets his whole, undeniable argument out of the way first thing, and then the lady brushes the whole thing off, says "Games award violence, what kind of a message is that?!" Audience claps. Game guy tries to not slap the *****.
It's just ridiculously conservative people, creating programming to reinforce their oblivious beliefs.
"Game guy. The only sensible one.
Old lady. Against video games.
Old guy. Against video games.
It's gonna be a three-on-one "discussion" in which nothing is really learned by anyone, and they just argue about thinking of the children and violence is bad, games should be destroyed."
Let's see if I'm right...
Two minutes in... Yep, I'm right. The game guy gets his whole, undeniable argument out of the way first thing, and then the lady brushes the whole thing off, says "Games award violence, what kind of a message is that?!" Audience claps. Game guy tries to not slap the *****.
It's just ridiculously conservative people, creating programming to reinforce their oblivious beliefs.
God damn it, my mother watches this show.
I already can't stand that woman in the middle, with her fake teeth, and her stupidity. And the audience clapped at her too! Oh look, she knows about the Modern Warfare 2 airport scene, and that's about it! She hates violence for entertainment! Doesn't she like films then?
I remember there was a kid killed, and the game Manhunt was blamed by the parents, which they claimed corrupted the murderer. It turned out the murderer had never played it, but the victim had.
And they just talked about the Hurt Locker being anti-war. So is Modern Warfare 2. However, apply the Truffaut effect. Anything portraying an anti-war message is going to be ignored because it just looks awesome.
I already can't stand that woman in the middle, with her fake teeth, and her stupidity. And the audience clapped at her too! Oh look, she knows about the Modern Warfare 2 airport scene, and that's about it! She hates violence for entertainment! Doesn't she like films then?
I remember there was a kid killed, and the game Manhunt was blamed by the parents, which they claimed corrupted the murderer. It turned out the murderer had never played it, but the victim had.
And they just talked about the Hurt Locker being anti-war. So is Modern Warfare 2. However, apply the Truffaut effect. Anything portraying an anti-war message is going to be ignored because it just looks awesome.
The guy defending video games failed, and then there was the life needing *****, spewing hate, and claiming stuff she couldn't prove.
And was what up with the crowd?!
And was what up with the crowd?!
Oh my god! They are so right! I've been playing Contra since I was ten, and I've been brutally murdering people regularly ever since!
On a more serious note, this is rubbish. No game can promote sexism/racism/violence better and more efficiently than a parent or caregiver can. I met a young man once who thought dressing up as a KKK member for Halloween was funny. His mother helped him make the costume. There is no game that's ever going to have that level of impact.
I have always said it, but I will say it again; just because some violent people have played video games does not mean video gamers are violent. That analogy is flawed.
On a more serious note, this is rubbish. No game can promote sexism/racism/violence better and more efficiently than a parent or caregiver can. I met a young man once who thought dressing up as a KKK member for Halloween was funny. His mother helped him make the costume. There is no game that's ever going to have that level of impact.
I have always said it, but I will say it again; just because some violent people have played video games does not mean video gamers are violent. That analogy is flawed.
I do love how much games irritate these people.
I mean, we're trolling these people and we don't even have to do anything.
I mean, we're trolling these people and we don't even have to do anything.
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Woah, slow down.
Interactivety is a barrier to immersion, as soon as a qte, menu or similar in game working appears we are aware it is a game, films are immersive only until something tells us it is a film (a bad piece of dialogue or a poor special effect)at which point the immersion is lost.
Videogames can be addictive (although research suggests the term addiction cannot be used as it does not have the same characteristics of addiction(this was disscussed in pcg), the "addiction" is often a sign of social lacks which a parent or guardian should be providing (this is true for many moral panics). Hatred, racism and sexism exist in films, books and other literature long before games. Critics of gaming are simply faster to jump on any suggestion of these things in games (black zombies, war etc). Games reward violence, this is true for some games but have you tried playing anything other than war games, besides violence isn't the only thing that is rewarded, social interaction, exploration and organisation are also rewarded in many games.
I really can't be bothered to argue against any other comments, basically, I have a media and english degree and you know *uck all lady.
Woah, slow down.
Interactivety is a barrier to immersion, as soon as a qte, menu or similar in game working appears we are aware it is a game, films are immersive only until something tells us it is a film (a bad piece of dialogue or a poor special effect)at which point the immersion is lost.
Videogames can be addictive (although research suggests the term addiction cannot be used as it does not have the same characteristics of addiction(this was disscussed in pcg), the "addiction" is often a sign of social lacks which a parent or guardian should be providing (this is true for many moral panics). Hatred, racism and sexism exist in films, books and other literature long before games. Critics of gaming are simply faster to jump on any suggestion of these things in games (black zombies, war etc). Games reward violence, this is true for some games but have you tried playing anything other than war games, besides violence isn't the only thing that is rewarded, social interaction, exploration and organisation are also rewarded in many games.
I really can't be bothered to argue against any other comments, basically, I have a media and english degree and you know *uck all lady.
with a population of about 60 million the 15 million unit sales of Mewtwo that 25% of the british population that considers that content to be appropriate
As much as i'd like to hop on the "OMG this ppl dun know whatthey are talking about and are just baised and old and that defending guy did a bad job and sucks for not changing their minds in the first 3 secondsand so on and so forth" train...
I wont, cause of the comments so far are pretty much supporting the "bad peoples" side. Ye sure, let's dismiss em for being clueless, douches, old farts and move on, right?
That is exactly what those people you hate oh so much are doing. Ignoring any kind of argument by default is exactly what anti-(mature)game hardliners do. And it's exactly what most of you do too just on the other side of the fence...
Yes, the lady is clueless. She still makes 2 fair points. One being that ultra-violent games shold not be played by kids. The other is that the interactivity of games indeed disqualify em for direct comparison with movies and the like.
The other point made (and very much as valid) was about "where is this going to end - how far will they go in the future". This of course is an argument as old as any form of art itself. However, it's a fair point.
All this doesn't chance the fact that this discussion was by no means relevant, meaningful, unbaised or even remotely helpful. I'm with with all of you an that. This however, does not entitle us to just dismiss any kind of argument thrown at us by saying " has no clue".
All it does is make us look as stuborn, ignorant and bigoted as they are.
I wont, cause of the comments so far are pretty much supporting the "bad peoples" side. Ye sure, let's dismiss em for being clueless, douches, old farts and move on, right?
That is exactly what those people you hate oh so much are doing. Ignoring any kind of argument by default is exactly what anti-(mature)game hardliners do. And it's exactly what most of you do too just on the other side of the fence...
Yes, the lady is clueless. She still makes 2 fair points. One being that ultra-violent games shold not be played by kids. The other is that the interactivity of games indeed disqualify em for direct comparison with movies and the like.
The other point made (and very much as valid) was about "where is this going to end - how far will they go in the future". This of course is an argument as old as any form of art itself. However, it's a fair point.
All this doesn't chance the fact that this discussion was by no means relevant, meaningful, unbaised or even remotely helpful. I'm with with all of you an that. This however, does not entitle us to just dismiss any kind of argument thrown at us by saying " has no clue".
All it does is make us look as stuborn, ignorant and bigoted as they are.
Shame I couldn't be the guy or if he had a hive mind (geek gamer style) I would say.
Parents are the ones buying the children games.
Concerning the study about games = depressed kids, ever thought it's the other way round, that they're playing games because they're depressed or the fact that it's only a correlation.
Books and TV have easier access and are equally as violent, films is also violent... [complaint about interactivity] what about sport? Or in fact the daily life of a teenager at school?
Airport scene, first time you load up the game (that is an 18) it asks if you would like to enable it.
Don't like violence of any kind eh? You're in the wrong life ***** ,<color=red>*Falcon Punch*
The audience is Titchmarshes audience so they're of course going to jeer, just like we're doing.
Parents are the ones buying the children games.
Concerning the study about games = depressed kids, ever thought it's the other way round, that they're playing games because they're depressed or the fact that it's only a correlation.
Books and TV have easier access and are equally as violent, films is also violent... [complaint about interactivity] what about sport? Or in fact the daily life of a teenager at school?
Airport scene, first time you load up the game (that is an 18) it asks if you would like to enable it.
Don't like violence of any kind eh? You're in the wrong life ***** ,<color=red>*Falcon Punch*
The audience is Titchmarshes audience so they're of course going to jeer, just like we're doing.
It's pretty much clear that none of the old people have actually played any of the games they're complaining about. They were constantly saying that the "violent games will corrupt kids" and the younger guy pointed out the obvious, that the games are rated according to their content. But they ignore this, and try to pin the blame of the makers of the games.
It's idiotic parents that are to blame if a kid goes crazy after years of playing games that are too old for them. More people need to realise that little 7 year old Timmy should not be playing something like Assassin's Creed Because of the big fucking symbol on the front that ays it's for people aged 15 and up.
So to sum up, parents who buy whatever their kids want just to shut them up are idiots.
It's idiotic parents that are to blame if a kid goes crazy after years of playing games that are too old for them. More people need to realise that little 7 year old Timmy should not be playing something like Assassin's Creed Because of the big fucking symbol on the front that ays it's for people aged 15 and up.
So to sum up, parents who buy whatever their kids want just to shut them up are idiots.
It's funny. These are the same people who years ago would have thought it was criminal to have a free thinking woman speak her mind.
And yet here she is, essentially promoting the same kind of thinking.
Haha.
And yet here she is, essentially promoting the same kind of thinking.
Haha.