Games accused of promoting racism and sexism!
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Biased audience listening to a biased panel. I turned it off as soon as the woman on the right started making sensationalist blanket statements and got massive applause for it. Put it on question time and get some people with valid points to have a reasoned debate and I'l take an interest.
I agree with this because I thought the old man's point was pretty valid. How many of you were weirded out by that bit in CoD6 where you rappel down above a guy and then have to look into his eyes while you stab him to death.ramox said:
Now imagine this happening when graphics have improved to be literally photo-realistic and this virtual man is indistinguishable from a random anybody you meet on the street. I think a scene like that really could do bad things to your head.
It's the bloody parents that buy them for their shit-faced kids!
They shouldn't have it in the first place.
It's contradicting at my point of view since I've played 18's since I was about 3. But I'm mature enough to know that killing things have consequenses. Oh I joke about killing things like in video games, but I don't atucally perform these actions.
It's entertainment. Take for example, films. They can portray very violent scenerios. You don't see THEM, the audience doing that in real life? Do you?
They shouldn't have it in the first place.
It's contradicting at my point of view since I've played 18's since I was about 3. But I'm mature enough to know that killing things have consequenses. Oh I joke about killing things like in video games, but I don't atucally perform these actions.
It's entertainment. Take for example, films. They can portray very violent scenerios. You don't see THEM, the audience doing that in real life? Do you?
Then why don't we have problems with those peoples whos job it is to do things like that IRL would you be horrifyed if one of your family joined the military pretty much all of the violent games involve military personel in a combat operation as the context that the violence is a part ofMCGT said:
These people are idiots, but yes quite a few video games are racist/sexist on some level. This is a sure fact. Sadly it's not just video games, but most media. The sooner people become conscious of these things, the sooner these problems can be nipped in the bud.
Its not just about condoning after all a videogame is complete fiction where nobody is harmed unlike real wars containing real violence fought by real people and yet thoses military personel once retired or simply back at home have despite experience in a proper combat zone haven't turned into insane killers or violent uncontrollable thugs because of their experience so how is a game no matter how photorealistic going to turn ordinary citizens into mindless killers after playing COD 12AgentNein said:
I would generally advise against bringing such shows into serious discussion, sure its TV, sure TV affects the feeble minds of undefined majority but from my own expirience with world of media, thats the reason such and not other epople are invited to the 'debate'.
You have the host, whos role is to introduce the topic and then stirr it a little so it goes the way the producers planned. You always have to invite one person that will disagree with the thesis so he can be hoplessly defending his/hers stance against the crossfire, and finally you have 1+ people that support the thesis, pulling random arguments and lots of emotions to strengthen their argument and thus proove the main thesis of the show.
Its simple manipulation, its not journalism per se where informaiton is supposed to be objective, the viewers are fooled into the sense of objectivness thanks to theat one person that tries to defend and by the host who even tho clearly has his own stanc eon it, he tries to hide in between the lines and by more subtle prodding and poking in 'right' places.
TL;DR version: just ignore such shows, they have no value other than propaganda
You have the host, whos role is to introduce the topic and then stirr it a little so it goes the way the producers planned. You always have to invite one person that will disagree with the thesis so he can be hoplessly defending his/hers stance against the crossfire, and finally you have 1+ people that support the thesis, pulling random arguments and lots of emotions to strengthen their argument and thus proove the main thesis of the show.
Its simple manipulation, its not journalism per se where informaiton is supposed to be objective, the viewers are fooled into the sense of objectivness thanks to theat one person that tries to defend and by the host who even tho clearly has his own stanc eon it, he tries to hide in between the lines and by more subtle prodding and poking in 'right' places.
TL;DR version: just ignore such shows, they have no value other than propaganda
Wow. Just... wow.
The guy is making great points that the rest need to listen to and take in to consideration, but they're just acting so closed minded. You say you ask for reasons and he's giving you them. Why do you not listen?
The guy is making great points that the rest need to listen to and take in to consideration, but they're just acting so closed minded. You say you ask for reasons and he's giving you them. Why do you not listen?
You misunderstood my statement. I'm not saying whether or not these games should be condoned. I'm saying there's a fundamental difference between condoning real life violent actions for the sake of a greater good, and interacting with a videogame where these violent actions are simulated (potentially to a greater degree than they are today). We do know that conditions of war can have possibly averse effects on the psyche of those in the military. I'm not saying that videogames can cause this (yes, they're not real. I get that), but what I am saying is that we are still far from understanding the effects of ever-increasingly realistic violence in games on one's psyche.jamesworkshop said:
Its not brainwashed audience. You just invite people that fit your point of view as a host/producer of such show, its not random who come sinto the studio. There are either castings like for any other tv appearance or you just call some groups you know will fit.IamQ said:
People like her are impossible to debate with; To them, video games are the bane of society, and are responsible for all the problems that today's children suffer. You know, because poor diet, lack of parental interaction and advice, bullying, poor role models, and insitutionalized education have no negative effects whatsoever.
They're just games, for God's sake. Their effects have not been comprehensively studied and categorized, and the studies already conducted can support either side of the argument. They are not responsible for all social problems in the younger generation, and claiming that they are is a dangerous thing to do. If you ignore the other problems and just focus on video games, you'll get nowhere.
They're just games, for God's sake. Their effects have not been comprehensively studied and categorized, and the studies already conducted can support either side of the argument. They are not responsible for all social problems in the younger generation, and claiming that they are is a dangerous thing to do. If you ignore the other problems and just focus on video games, you'll get nowhere.
Last night there was a show on the TV called Sport Relief, I'm not sure if you're from the UK and have heard of it or not. This show tries to raise money for lots of good causes through sponsorships for, eg, running a marathon over a month or so then culminates in a massive, about 7 hour, programme where you have lots of comedy sketches, normally with celebrites, interspersed with appeals that show how bad some people in the world have it.jamesworkshop said:
One of these appeals was an interview with two parents whose son joined the army at 17. He shot a person on a combat excercise and, unable to deal with the guilt, hanged himself a while later.
People in the military do suffer from problems with the violence they inflict, just look at what the Vietnam war did to a generation. However they also have psychiatric support and have to go through mental tests before picking up a gun. A young, impressionistic boy picking up CoD 9 on the PS4 doesn't and if graphics continue improving like they have done, he may well inflict violence in an equally realistic setting.