Games as Art--- Why do you think so?
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Maybe before insulting people,pilouuuu said:
don't take things out of context
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You just repeated part of what the OP said, instead of actually offering anything on top. That's why I assumed you hadn't read it. You have to agree, just rephrasing the OP isn't really being on topic or useful to a discussion.Charli said:
All the components of games are considered art. Why wouldn't they be when combined?
But while I do think they games come under art, I do not think that makes them all 'artistic'.
I did a presentation about a piece of art in Philosophy too. Most people chose classical art. I chose Shadow of the Colossus. My presentation was the longest and I didn't even finish.
But while I do think they games come under art, I do not think that makes them all 'artistic'.
I did a presentation about a piece of art in Philosophy too. Most people chose classical art. I chose Shadow of the Colossus. My presentation was the longest and I didn't even finish.
Because sometimes games make me go, "Huh, hadn't thought of that", and sometimes they make me look at my hands and go, "Jesus, what kind of a monster am I?" and sometimes they make me cry and sometimes they make me giggle and high-five my nearest buddy, and sometimes they make angry. They evoke emotional responses from me is what I'm trying to say.
Plus, if a five year olds finger painting is "art" then something like Amnesia: The Dark Descent is definetly art.
Plus, if a five year olds finger painting is "art" then something like Amnesia: The Dark Descent is definetly art.
I'm on the edge as to whether or not games are art. Some games, such as Psychonauts and Shadow of the Colossus have high artistic properties. Excellent focus on story-telling, "painting" intrinsic, beautiful worlds, and then populating those worlds with truly interesting or intriguing characters. Note, the "storytelling" part doesn't really apply to SotC, but the Colossi themselves are most certainly interesting and beautiful creations.
On the other hand, you have games which I wouldn't call "art" anymore than I'd call a snuff-film a "Hollywood blockbuster". Unless you think painting the walls red with the blood of endless waves of baddies "artistic", or the mindless swearing of characters to be "beautiful". Don't get me started on the games which sometimes have borderline pornographic material, or pander to a specific audience.
I suppose one could draw a parallel to a child's finger-painting. Who really considers it art? The child? The parents? The random person who sees it pinned up on the fridge? Surely one of these people would call it art, but not all of them.
On the other hand, you have games which I wouldn't call "art" anymore than I'd call a snuff-film a "Hollywood blockbuster". Unless you think painting the walls red with the blood of endless waves of baddies "artistic", or the mindless swearing of characters to be "beautiful". Don't get me started on the games which sometimes have borderline pornographic material, or pander to a specific audience.
I suppose one could draw a parallel to a child's finger-painting. Who really considers it art? The child? The parents? The random person who sees it pinned up on the fridge? Surely one of these people would call it art, but not all of them.
you should probably read this: http://www.bogost.com/blog/the_metaphysics_videogame.shtmlTBC said:
Although art has a completely different meaning to what I'm going to say, games are technically art.
Art looks pretty, games look pretty.
Art can be interpreted in multiple ways, games can be interpreted in multiple ways.
And they both take a long time to create in order to be good (generally).
I think art is just something that people can get opinions from it which differ with other's opinions, or something like that, so yeah games are art.
Art looks pretty, games look pretty.
Art can be interpreted in multiple ways, games can be interpreted in multiple ways.
And they both take a long time to create in order to be good (generally).
I think art is just something that people can get opinions from it which differ with other's opinions, or something like that, so yeah games are art.
I make a thread on this subject and pour loads into it and I get less than 26 replies. You make a paragraph and now you're full steam ahead for a page 3 and 4. *Sigh*
Yeah, I'm butt-hurt, but so would anyone else who spends half an hour writing a bloody thread to have it shrivel up and die in an hour... I suppose we've all had threads do that though.
My opinion is this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.336546-Where-do-we-draw-the-line-Videogames-are-not-art
It's that long-winded and detailed, it could be a report in itself. Enjoy.
Yeah, I'm butt-hurt, but so would anyone else who spends half an hour writing a bloody thread to have it shrivel up and die in an hour... I suppose we've all had threads do that though.
My opinion is this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.336546-Where-do-we-draw-the-line-Videogames-are-not-art
It's that long-winded and detailed, it could be a report in itself. Enjoy.
To ask "Is x art" is a largely meaningless pursuit. Too many use "That's not art!" as a subtitution for the phrase "That does not appeal to my own personal tastes!". The main problem is that everyone seems to have a different definition of what art is. Comic theorist Scott McCloud's holds particular meaning for me: ?Art, as I see it, is any human activity which doesn?t grow out of either of our species? two basic instincts: survival and reproduction.?
Yes, games are art. And they're GOOD art, a relatively new medium that whether the silly elitists like it or not, is gaining a lot of mainstream acceptance as an art form. Every aspect of game production, from the writing to the concept art to the music and voiceacting, is regarded as a form of art. Where is the doubt in skeptics' minds? Is it the interactivity? If so, then we need to embrace the idea that the gamer is himself a part of the artistic process.
Yes, games are art. And they're GOOD art, a relatively new medium that whether the silly elitists like it or not, is gaining a lot of mainstream acceptance as an art form. Every aspect of game production, from the writing to the concept art to the music and voiceacting, is regarded as a form of art. Where is the doubt in skeptics' minds? Is it the interactivity? If so, then we need to embrace the idea that the gamer is himself a part of the artistic process.
I'm gonna be honest... this sort of bugs me.
Anything can be art. I can take a picture of my shit and call it art. The stain on my shorts from where I just spilled ketchup can be considered art.
Art doesn't automatically make it a good thing. There can be shitty art pieces, just as there can be shitty games.
Anything can be art. I can take a picture of my shit and call it art. The stain on my shorts from where I just spilled ketchup can be considered art.
Art doesn't automatically make it a good thing. There can be shitty art pieces, just as there can be shitty games.
Gaming takes elements from every other medium(writing, sound, visuals), combines them together, and adds inteactive and the chance to make your own story. Imagine what DaVinci, Shakespear and Mozart what have thought of this.
Well, I have a rather broad definition of art, tending toward cartoonist Scott McCloud's definition of it being anything not done for reproduction or survival (although it is more complicated than that, of course). I don't think that art needs to necessarily elicit an emotion, require effort, or be in any way "good". Although most people would disagree with my definition, I think we can agree that if drawing and music and writing are art then [most] video games at least contain elements of art.
But there are a lot of people who think that calling something "art" implies a value judgment. "Oh, that painting looks like it was made by a two-year-old, it isn't art." "That video game is just running around shooting things, it isn't art." I disagree entirely with that definition, but, if someone insists on using it, then there is really no way for me to argue one way or another because then the classification of something as "art" becomes almost entirely subjective.
But there are a lot of people who think that calling something "art" implies a value judgment. "Oh, that painting looks like it was made by a two-year-old, it isn't art." "That video game is just running around shooting things, it isn't art." I disagree entirely with that definition, but, if someone insists on using it, then there is really no way for me to argue one way or another because then the classification of something as "art" becomes almost entirely subjective.
Not neccisarily. Those equals signs could be simple modus ponens. If it is useless, it is art. Games are useless, therefore it is art. That's likely what he meant, its just useing a kind of informal expression of the idea that bears a superficial resemblence to a logical falacy.DoPo said:
Personally the writing and the design/graphics of a game make it art, and when look at an image like the one below how can you argue.
Either way i don't care what other say, i play games for fun not art.
Either way i don't care what other say, i play games for fun not art.
Heard once that to be art, the piece must have no function other than existing. Paintings are not to cover walls. They are only visual input, and with that they inspire something in us. Same goes for music, but with sounds instead of colours. The list goes on, and then you get videogames. The medium that can combine all the previous ones, and on toP of that lays it all in the hands of the audience, making them part of the craftingprocess. All the ideas in the game are realised by us. To compare it with music; the notes are there, the melodies are finished. The song is written. But then the performer, in this case, the player, takes up the instrument and adds passion, expression, and emotion. That is the difference between having a computer bleep a schubert concert, and a human adding severity, or grace, or melancholy to vibrations in the air. And of course there are the popsongs, meant to amuse or to serve as a background for something else, like dancing. But in the end, any medium can have examples of art. Some are just harder to find.
And now, back to study for that math test tomorrow. Good night!
And now, back to study for that math test tomorrow. Good night!