Games getting worse with every generation?

[Fire Daemon]

'Kay, no problem.
What time is it where you are?
Just an aside, not diverting conversation.

At the moment it is 7:41 PM on a thursday night.

My favourite game is LoZ:OoT because that is the first zelda game I played but I can not enjoy anyother zelda game (except those on the Game boy colour and advanced) because they are the same game with new trinkets put in. I think this proves my above point in a way.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Retloc20
the trouble is things are made with no clue as to the past of where the product has been ...you learn from the past and polish the product not make up random new sht on the fly..... hollywood dose this and gaming is learning.

The current ratio of games is more like alil great, some good ALOT of mediocre cash ins and some bad games,I rail on the games/pubs/devs that sticks thumbs in their nose then stick their nose in the air I will call BS, even more so on broken and unfinished but released products.

Fire Daemon
I enjoyed OOT(don't like the setting so much) and even MM but I like LTTP more it simply has more stuff in it to do I also enjoyed LW on the GB, I dislike WW because of the whole sailing thing but other than that tis not bad.

 

[Retloc20]

Yes, I suppose there are more sources for problems to come from in games nowadays, like with publishing deadlines, improved graphics taking up much of the $ for the project, movie games, and GTA clones.
Well, there were Galaga clones (or whatever was the first) also, but whatever.

Also, what I said exactly agrees with what you said. The generation of Consumer-Creators will have been on the end of many bad games/movies, seen what they want fixed, and can fix it.
Hopefully, they will also bring innovation with them, though. Do you want to see a perfectly spit-polished Halo 278 in the future? 278 versions of Halo?
I'd rather not. Hopefully they/we'll know when/where to refine, and when to end a series.
And hopefully we'll have good parts of games distributed, like, all games have Half-life's physics engine, with X style level-ups and Y style interface. Vaguely Communistic, but I'd rather be Video-Gaming's John Lennon than its Gregory Stock.

Don't want more Clones!

 

[OMGlazersPEWPEW]

I agree with whoever asserted it's the audience that has changed. My ideal (read as my favorite games) are RPG's/Strategy games where there is alot of resources online to read about the game to improve my understanding of it e.g. Supreme Commander where you could download and watch demo's and discuss new strategies/counters. I love games that are simple to get into but have so much depth if you put the time in.

Nowadays games are becoming simpler because the market is bigger, I guess this is better for the game industry in general but I find myself disregarding scores of games (New and slightly less new) as I am just not interested in playing them, for example there isn't a game in the charts that I am dying to get hold of at the moment, even thought these are apparently the best new releases. I think this is because they just aren't targeted at me as more games used to be.

I tend to give more attention to more niche releases now because I believe I will more readily find something worth playing. My only gaming regret is that EVE online never really hooked me after 3/4 hours play time.

 

[ClassicThunder]

Your looking for Strategy games that are simple to play but become complicated when you take it to the next level??? Take a look at Kane's Wrath. I like the same thing in a RTS, something you can jump into, but something that you will still be learning in after a year. C&C 3KW looks just like its going to have this.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Not really. Game companies give reviewers copies of games before the gaming market. Considering how film critics are showered with gifts for good reviews, I wouldn't be surprised if the same kind of bribary happens in the gaming world.

We all know that Gamespot fired one of their critics for talking the truth. What makes you think other reviewers for professional gaming sites and mags would be telling the truth? After all, Gamespot appears to be the only magazine not afraid to give a score of less than 7/10 these days.

Well, firstly gamespot is some of the most bias gaming journalism sites (yeah site. NOT MAGAZINE) i have ever seen in my life. They seem to give the Xbox games higher ratings. and thats where the problem lies. Bias. A lot of sites are bias, and they seem to care a lot about number crunching. That's why Wii games tend to get rated a little bit lower. And as for Playstation games, well, that is a different story. One i cant answer. And Gamespot is one of those sites that hype ridiculously. The site had advertising for Kane and Lynch, as well as the launch center. And Gerstmann essentially gave it what sites generally gave it. Somewhere between 5-7. And he gets fired. It wasn't his honest thought. And they did do something like that with Spiderman 3, except without the firing bit, and a different reviewer.

I agree that JRPGs are getting worse every gen but that's only cause theres so much to live up to from the previous gen.

Firstly i never said that. If you want to quote, don't alter my original post or anyone else's. JRPG's are getting better. And I know that for a fact. Games like Final Fantasy got me interested in them, and everytime i see new ones like a dragon quest, a blue dragon, or a Disgaea, or anything like that, i feel happy. There are a lot of them, and it's all a matter of how it's applied like the combat system, and longevity. Lost Oddessy is gettin pretty rave reviews from most sites, and is a large game, with a good combat system. It feels like Final Fantasy X's sequel if it didn't go online, and feels fresh. There will always be imitators, and there will always be successors, it just varies according to how people percieve the game. And JRPG's will always have the same form a group and fight a big monster cause its worked for a lot of games in the past. And some are brave enough to change the plot and have it tackle certain things. Final Fantasy VII tackled on one occasion, death, love, and tragedy. How? Aeris's death.

Terramax:EDIT: Oh yeah, and we should burn down SquareEnix and all Final Fantasy employees. Enough is enough. Final Fantasy should be banned, and Final Fantasy fans hunted down. They give RPGs a bad name.

Of course it gave JRPG's a bad name! It spawned what? 13 sequels, as well as expansions, spinoffs, and multiplayer games? And helped pave way for lots of great JRPG's,as well as a massive fanbase for this franchise and games of that genre?? And you disaggree with your so called quote. Shall i bring that up?

Terramax (not buy teh haloz):I agree that JRPGs are getting worse every gen but that's only cause theres so much to live up to from the previous gen.

So essentially your disagreeing with yourself.

 

[PhoxHound]

The problem is that the collective gamer hive-mind is unable to properly appreciate works of art like SotC and Okami, they just want action and destruction, which Halo brings more than plenty of (in a rather idiotic and bland package, but the dumbed-down "USE SNIPER RIFLE ON ENEMY" mentality is what makes it popular I suppose).

 

[Sniper_Zegai]

Its easy to look back and pine about the games of old being the best there ever was, but the industry has made alot of advances and to a certain extent retro classics are more appreciated now than they have ever been. With stuff like Xbox live Arcade and the Virtual Console bringing old classics to the masses.

That being said it seemed like a game could never become a big hit in the days of yesteryear unless it was any good, mainly becuase word of mouth was one of the few ways of advertising a game back then but with the internet and the mandatory hype train that seems to ride with every modern title its easy to get dissapionted but I dont think games these days are any better or worse than title that were released 10 or 20 years ago.

And all that being said, there are more resources available now than there ever has been to verify whether or not you will like a game, although in some cases this adds to the problem for the most it is a good thing. I can download demos and look at review, or just check out trailers or gameplay on youtube.

I never remember seeing a trailer for Super Mario, I just had to play it and live with it if I did'nt like it. There are just as many bad titles on the NES to complain about than titles that are available these days, people are just more vocal about it.

One way or another, stop bitching about shitty games and find something you like.

 

[Bodb]

If you're saying that SotC was great, then what does this have to do with games getting worse every generation? It seems to me that you just like artistic games, which are not mainstream whatsoever. There have never been many of these games released at any one time, so I don't know what you're going on about. But as for the games getting worse over time, either you're getting old, or current fashionable game ideas aren't to your liking. If it's the former, you're doomed to complain about these newfangled games for the rest of your existence, but if it's the latter, then just wait a couple years, and play the few releases during that time, when the killer genre will (hopefully) be more to your liking.

 

[Man_In_Gauze]

I wonder, if I put a 15 year old in front of bioshock what they'd think? Is it that the games are becoming less, or that our expectations of what a game should offer has grown.

Haven't actually played, but what I've seen has blown my mind. Love System Shock 2 (really hard though :|), and it looks like something I should really try out.

 

[jezz8me]

Games are getting better IMO i loved my old PS1 games (Spyro, Crash, MediEvil) and then i loved my PS2 games even more (MGS2 &3, FF X & X-2, DMC 2 & 3, God Of War) and now there are great concepts to work with being born. I love Assasins Creeds concept and expect it can be improved to make it a great(er) game for the sequel. MGS 4 cannot be bad it is against the laws of earth. Burnout: Paradise City, at first I was a bit "iffy" being a devout Revenge fan but now i say fuck yea! Also so far COD4 is the only FPS (I haven't played HL2 take into account >.>) A. i can play and B. i have a bit of fun playing

There is also big hope in new games such as GTAIV and Spawn coming out. I think it will be a good year for games.

 

[stompy]

There's always been, and always will be, a plethora of crappy games available for any given system. The difference nowadays is hype. The games industry is currently at its strongest, particularly given this generation of gaming - we've got 3 very different consoles available to us. With this of course, comes competitive marketing (complete with insufferable Fanboys), and thus each company tends to over-enthusiastically push their "Next Big Thing" on us. It's not that the games are getting worse with every generation, just that the hype is becoming harder to swallow.
Now, are games getting less IMAGINATIVE with every generation? That's a different story altogether.....

I'm gonna have to go with this. I mean, in the days the OP refers to, the only way you know if a game was good or not was if a friend, or someone you know, told you it was great. Now, you have the media telling you what's great, and well, they could be lying, or refering to a different audience.