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Spirultima

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Again with all my threads, this is not a troll thread, nor a flaming thread and i want anyone who comments to say something in keeping with the topic, or otherwise just keep the comment to themselves, thank you.

Also anything in blue is my opinion and is optional to read.

Now without jumping into the "I Hate America" thing (which i don't to much, i don't like the self righteous americans on the PSN or Xbox live but meh, that doesn't count, the English are as bad at times) im not keen on America (to urban i think for me, but England isn't much better either) its a combination of the people and the way of life, not my thing.

Now just about everyone can talk about "The Protagonist Being American" till the eyes bleed (which of course i don't agree with, why can't we be a Greek, English, German or anything like that?) but that isn't the point of this thread at all, its the fact the story and location is ALWAYS in America: Prototype, InFamous, Fallout 3 and so on, hell even films do this: Matrix, Independence Day, The Day After Tomorrow and so on again. And personally it frustrates me, because then you know the main character is going to be american, like one thing I'll use as an example, its an Independence Day scene, where "the smartest man in the world" is sitting on a table, and he is funnily enough American. (At this point it sounds like im flaming or trying to insult Americans, this is not the case).

Now I'll aim this at the american readers, do you think that an american is going to be the smartest man in the world? What ever your answer, understand this, possibly the smartest man that ever lived was German, but most used inventions today are either Scottish, British, or European (Do keep in mind that im not so keen on Britain either) Telephone - Scottish, Jet Plane - British, Fridge - German (This is the development ideas, not the development itself), and to be completely fair Americans haven't built anything life changing, so with that in mind, i would imagine a Japanese man or woman sitting on the chair being called "the smartest in the word". (That was a rant to give the idea of the protagonists american nature, so now with that out the way, i can hit the real topic)

So why is it always set in America? why would say, aliens or biological weapons always go to America? I liked where Resistance was going (Aside from your american and all the British are wusses, aside from Cartwright) Chimera needed the footing, Russia, then Europe, and Britain could have given them complete dominance over most of the world, giving America no foreign help what so ever, leaving it wide open to attack, but they failed taking over Britain...And then: the Chimera attacked America with a armada of airbases and such, with evolved Chimera.(which put me so far off Resistance i didn't buy the second) instead of just taking over England with all that tech they were storing (Which would be hilarious to watch actually).

Now your side of the coin, what do you think with all stories being set in america?

(Im still holding onto Infinity Ward to showing the SAS's dealing with things, then go on a generic WWII game where i kill Hitler, when he has turned into a cyborg with miniguns for arms and nuclear warheads for legs, before you shoot him in the back while he is busy stomping on kittens and puppies)
 

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LOL I find it hard to believe that your really not trying to start a flamewar, but I'll give it a shot.... These stories, games/movies are set in America, because Americans are their prime audience.

And one more thing... OF FUCKING COURSE INDEPENDENCE DAY GONNA BE SET IN AMERCA, WHAT THE FUCK!!!

Okay sorry had to get that out


EDIT: Also your reading WAAYYYY to much into a lot of the Games/movies you've mentioned
 

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Aside from the first working and if not the first working, the most efficient lightbulb of its time. Sorry Tesla I like you better but Edison got it first.

Anyway, I think a lot of it is that quite a few devs are based in America, as well as Hollywood which is not what it's cracked up to be. Maybe I would like to play as a German or Scot, but it's the developers' choices that decide it.

I remember a solid PS2 game, Conflict Desert Storm where you could play as either the US Delta Force or the British SAS. The key difference is their skills and actually made the British the better choice which had a stronger influence on healing whereas Americans were more full combat oriented except for the demo man who was also partially medic.
 

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GodsOneMistake said:
LOL I find it hard to believe that your really not trying to start a flamewar, but I'll give it a shot.... These stories, games/movies are set in America, because Americans are their prime audience.

And one more thing... OF FUCKING COURSE INDEPENDENCE DAY GONNA BE SET IN AMERCA, WHAT THE FUCK!!!

Okay sorry had to get that out



EDIT: Also your reading WAAYYYY to much into a lot of the Games/movies you've mentioned
Well sure "Independence Day" is what americans love i guess, but in reality "aliens destroy England, aliens destroy Europe, aliens destroy america, aliens destroy Russia, aliens destroy far east, aliens destroy middle east, aliens take over world. Fin"
 

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sean.2k9 said:
well the main guy in cod4 was british and the main guy in cod5 was russian
Actually it was a cross between an American and a Russian, its just that the Russians ended it.

And also the last comment i made was referring to CoD4.
 

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Because america is the biggest audience, simple as that. Plus "play as a crack group of turkish commandos vs aliens/zombies/whatever just doesn't sound right.
 

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sneakypenguin said:
Because america is the biggest audience, simple as that. Plus "play as a crack group of turkish commandos vs aliens/zombies/whatever just doesn't sound right.
Actually that sounds quite fun, back in the day -waves walking stick- a game was judged by its originality, now its who has the better shooter.
 

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Spirultima said:
sneakypenguin said:
Because america is the biggest audience, simple as that. Plus "play as a crack group of turkish commandos vs aliens/zombies/whatever just doesn't sound right.
Actually that sounds quite fun, back in the day -waves walking stick- a game was judged by its originality, now its who has the better shooter.
I actually don't recall too many games judged on originality. Plus originality does not equal a good game in the least. And if your serious about the turkish thing well I'd say your a sliver that game devs don't care about :)
 

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Spirultima said:
GodsOneMistake said:
LOL I find it hard to believe that your really not trying to start a flamewar, but I'll give it a shot.... These stories, games/movies are set in America, because Americans are their prime audience.

And one more thing... OF FUCKING COURSE INDEPENDENCE DAY GONNA BE SET IN AMERCA, WHAT THE FUCK!!!

Okay sorry had to get that out



EDIT: Also your reading WAAYYYY to much into a lot of the Games/movies you've mentioned
Well sure "Independence Day" is what americans love i guess, but in reality "aliens destroy England, aliens destroy Europe, aliens destroy america, aliens destroy Russia, aliens destroy far east, aliens destroy middle east, aliens take over world. Fin"
Um just to quickly correct you on the plot. The aliens were attacking the whole planet during the movie NOT just america. So in essence it happened the way you are "wishing it did?"
 

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Spirultima said:
(to urban i think for me, but England isn't much better either)
Too urban? I live in a very well developed part of the US (the "Thumb" of Michigan) and the nearest city is a 45 minute drive away, and it's tallest building is a 5 story hotel.

Anyway, Americans make up the majority of the target audience as well as the majority of the developers.

To prove that point name five American developers, then name three British ones.

American
Bungie
iD
Epic
LucasArts
Monolith

British
Lionhead
?
?
 

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Eldritch Warlord said:
Spirultima said:
(to urban i think for me, but England isn't much better either)
Too urban? I live in a very well developed part of the US (the "Thumb" of Michigan) and the nearest city is a 45 minute drive away, and it's tallest building is a 5 story hotel.

Anyway, Americans make up the majority of the target audience as well as the majority of the developers.

To prove that point name five American developers, then name three British ones.

American
Bungie
iD
Epic
LucasArts
Monolith

British
Lionhead
Media Molecule
Rock Star
Done going off topic now? Lucky, i didn't know Lionhead XD
 

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How many Japanese and British based games are based in America? Lionhead games aren't (I don't believe the accents in Fable and Fable 2 are American, nor the setting in Black and White American, and MediaMolecule's LittleBig Planet stars a kickass British narrator. I don't recall any Japanese games set in America (then again, the only ones I have really played are Squaresoft/Square-Enix RPGs.) Truth is, and it's been said, that developers tend to make games based in, or around characters from, the country of the studio's location. Video games are quite popular in America, and as such there are huge amounts of studios based here, which create games with characters and locales native to this nation.

As for the smartest man in the world comment; Stephen Hawking has one of the most brilliant minds in the world today, and America is responsible for a lot of leading research into nanotechnology, particle physics (until the LHC comes online), and chemistry (Polymer science got it's beginnings in Erie, PA). Contrary to popular media belief, the United States is not (entirely) filled with overweight, ignorant rednecks who can't formulate a single thought beyond "I wonder if a Big Mac tastes good WITHOUT the special sauce?". While we, as a nation, have slipped as a leading scientific mind for the world, there is still a lot of brain power on this side of the pond (eat MIT's 1000 GHz processor!).
 
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sneakypenguin said:
Because america is the biggest audience, simple as that. Plus "play as a crack group of turkish commandos vs aliens/zombies/whatever just doesn't sound right.
Hmm, that's a big questionable. America might be the biggest single rich market, but it doesn't make up more than half the affluent population of the world. I believe Europe is currently the biggest market for games, for example.

And your "Turkish commandos" example sounds fine to me, presumably because I'm not American and not indoctrinated into the "home of the brave" culture that's so insulting to the rest of the world. What, are we not brave in Australia? (And every other country.) A story about American commandos only seems more normal because so much of the media produced in America is about Americans. In reality, Turkish commandos are probably more badass than American ones, although their equipment isn't as high-tech.

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McScruffy said:
Contrary to popular media belief, the United States is not (entirely) filled with overweight, ignorant rednecks who can't formulate a single thought beyond "I wonder if a Big Mac tastes good WITHOUT the special sauce?". While we, as a nation, have slipped as a leading scientific mind for the world, there is still a lot of brain power on this side of the pond (eat MIT's 1000 GHz processor!).
Although the OP worded it poorly, I don't think he was trying to say that it's unlikely that the smartest person in the world would be American, but rather that it was just as likely they would be from another country (adjusted for population, of course). On the other hand, because America is currently a cultural and economic superpower, a huge proportion of highly talented and intelligent people emigrate to America if they aren't born there, in order to go to MIT, for example. So a lot of that American ingenuity is actually powered by skills drawn from the rest of the world. Take a look at the scientists associated with the Manhattan Project [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Manhattan_Project_people], for example, who created the first working atomic bomb: plenty of corn-fed Americans, of course, but also Hungarians, Germans, Italians, Russians, etc etc., many of whom moved to America in order to work on it.

In short: it's not so much the people, it's the cultural momentum.
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Well aside from the points brough up by other people already, America is still the most militarily powerful country in the world. That makes us the biggest target in the case of an invasion by aliens. You dont invade someones house and kill their cat first, you kill the attack dog or the owners. There have been games that werent set in a america or didnt have a strictly american protagonist. This beef seems a bit asinine, but hey its your opinion.
Well said xmet, I couldn't of said it any better with out flaming in some way
 

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Fraser.J.A said:
sneakypenguin said:
Because america is the biggest audience, simple as that. Plus "play as a crack group of turkish commandos vs aliens/zombies/whatever just doesn't sound right.
Hmm, that's a big questionable. America might be the biggest single rich market, but it doesn't make up more than half the affluent population of the world. I believe Europe is currently the biggest market for games, for example.
Okay biggest identifiable audience the "western world" or english speaking world is heavily influenced by america and like it or not America is prolly the one most likely to be involved in any conflict that arises in games. So hence most logical to make a game revolving around America or western european soldeirs/whatever.