Games where you are the bad guy (but don't know it)

[Treblaine]

The original Deus Ex.

Now, I'm not sure whether or not it's part of the story (as I haven't completed the game and I'm not entirely sure how far in I am)...

...But to me, JC Denton feels like a sociopath. Because I tend to take the aggressive route (simply because it's the easiest way forwards often), people comment on how JC kills lots of people. Which is fine, but he never seems particularly bothered.

Moreover, the fact that *Spoiler Alert* his brother dies and he displays barely any emotion just reinforces this.

At this point, I'm playing up to that a bit more. Being a bit more ruthless, being a bit colder in my responses to things.

Oh, you must be wrong, he is so sympathetic to all death around him


Hmm, maybe you are on to something.

 

[Bruenin]

What about Drakengard? Ok, so you start off as a guy who's fighting against an evil empire in a battle to save his sister? Ok, yeah, i can get behind that...decent motivation and all tha- Wait, why are you murdering child soldiers? ....Wait, you seem to be a little bit TOO into this whole 'killing soldiers' thing. Hold on, did you just bring a Child murdering Cannibal into the Party!?

In Drakengards Defense though, morality was so fucked up in that game that it was literally a battle of: Evil vs Evil vs EVEN WORSE.

I loved that game! thats the first time I've seen someone bring it up on the escapist. That game is crazy >.< you recruit that kid with eternal youth to kill his sister or something. I love it, its so crazy

 

[Rhaff]

The original Deus Ex.

Now, I'm not sure whether or not it's part of the story (as I haven't completed the game and I'm not entirely sure how far in I am)...

...But to me, JC Denton feels like a sociopath. Because I tend to take the aggressive route (simply because it's the easiest way forwards often), people comment on how JC kills lots of people. Which is fine, but he never seems particularly bothered.

Moreover, the fact that *Spoiler Alert* his brother dies and he displays barely any emotion just reinforces this.

At this point, I'm playing up to that a bit more. Being a bit more ruthless, being a bit colder in my responses to things.

I just want to point out that Paul actually doesn't have to die, and canon wise he actually does survive.
JC feels like a sociopath to you because you play him as one. It is possible to go through the whole game without killing a single person.
But seeing as you havent finished the game I wont say any more.

OT: Can't remember where I read this (probably here) but in dragon age origins, the bad guy is actually not so bad. While his methods are not the nicest, they are the most effective way of preparing for the attack, and instead of helping him, you run around sabotaging everything he does.

 

[Vykrel]

Portal series comes to mind

wait... why Portal? you play as a woman who is just trying to escape from a maniacal robot that is forcing you to do dangerous tests in the hopes that they will eventually kill you. its like trying to escape from a concentration camp and being called a bad guy.



as for my vote, id have to go with Knights of the Old Republic. you find out you are actually the main villain of the series at a later point in the game.

 

[sant25]

1) Driver: San Francisco- You wreck half the cars of San Francisco, and maybe the drivers too (I know Tanner is in a coma, but he doesn´t)

2)Final Fight: The city is a Slum, all the inhabitants you see are thugs. I think this call for a good mayor, someone who attacks the root of the problems in the city. Instead, voters choose the insane wrestler who time to time goes to the mean streets to punch some rejects.

 

[Pablo Lubrano]

The Alliance in Warcraft, they're absolute BASTARDS if you look at half the shit they do. The only reason people assume that the Horde are the bad guys is because they're more non human looking.

Most RTS games where you view your troops as expendable numbers, I doubt many officers would send almost all of their troops in to certain death because it was the most efficient way of beating the enemy

Also quite obviously PayDay the heist, but thats one where you do know it. You play as bank robbers xP

That was true during Warcraft III and it's expansion The Frozen Throne.

However in World of Warcraft, Blizzard started making The Horde more and more morally ambiguous up to the point that nowadays they're pretty much outright villains (or at least "Well Intentioned Extremists").

First, they accept the Forsaken among their ranks, a faction of evil Undead people that has no intention of redeeming themselves, and will betray the Horde as soon as they get rid of the Alliance.
For the Forsaken, torture, assasination and the use of biological WMDs (a.k.a "The Plague") are a common practice.

The Horde Warchief, Garrosh Hellscream, is a warmongering douchebag that would NEVER give peace a chance, and has world-conquering ambitions.

Orcs & Goblins have no problem deforestating Ashenvale and polluting the world at an industrial scale.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

The Horde Warchief, Garrosh Hellscream, is a warmongering douchebag that would NEVER give peace a chance, and has world-conquering ambitions.
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Oh god yes, the Horde felt way worse to play as after they lost Thrall as their Warcheif, but then again, he never really was a War like man, he was surprisingly peaceful considering his job title. He was also the most awesomestestest shaman ever, and still looks epic in the center of that whirlpool thingy.

 

[nsqared]

The only one that comes to mind is a work of IF called 9:05 by Adam Cadre.
http://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=qzftg3j8nh5f34i2

Spoiler

The game is ingenious, and after re-playing it you realize that the person you're playing as is a murderer, who hid the body of the real owner of the house under the bed.

 

[Guardian of Nekops]

Portal series comes to mind,
and Postal series also.
and Prototype, please the dude commits mass genocide.

In what way are you the bad guy in Portal and Portal 2?

I mean, you're basically a lab rat desperately trying to escape before you're killed. Again. And then brought back to life so that you can die some more. That's hardly evil... though if you have an amusing reason why it is I'd love to hear it.

Minecraft. Think about it. You go around devastating the natural world, cutting trees, killing all sorts of animals and creatures, and the extensive mining is probably not good for the soil. For what? So you can have a tower.

Yeah...

You know what? I'm gonna burn down my house and stop eating meat. And plants. Or trying to defend myself from the elements in any way. Just gonna let nature take over.

Anything else would just be evil.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Technically Metal gear solid 4. As Snake becomes a weapon of mass destruction with the modified FOXDIE. So... In a way, not even he knew he was a bad guy.

 

[Robert Ewing]

The Horde Warchief, Garrosh Hellscream, is a warmongering douchebag that would NEVER give peace a chance, and has world-conquering ambitions.
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Oh god yes, the Horde felt way worse to play as after they lost Thrall as their Warcheif, but then again, he never really was a War like man, he was surprisingly peaceful considering his job title. He was also the most awesomestestest shaman ever, and still looks epic in the center of that whirlpool thingy.

Truefax. The horde was pretty much as peaceful as the alliance right up until Garrosh took over. Freaking hell Thrall, what were you thinking!?

 

[geK0]

I think Jim Sterling had a pretty good take on the Kirby games.

Kirby is a cold blooded mass murderer who gleefully devours, burns, mutilates, shocks, and freezes the innocent civilians of Popstar!

And I think the players in L4D are just on a very bad acid trip.....

 

[Treblaine]

2)Final Fight: The city is a Slum, all the inhabitants you see are thugs. I think this call for a good mayor, someone who attacks the root of the problems in the city. Instead, voters choose the insane wrestler who time to time goes to the mean streets to punch some rejects.

Brilliant!

Somehow when you have ripped your shirt off in a hulk like rage and are knocking back hoards of gang members, it's so easy to forget your civic duty as elected mayor.

 

[Innegativeion]

Kirby is a cold blooded mass murderer who gleefully devours, burns, mutilates, shocks, and freezes the innocent civilians of Popstar!

And we love him for it.

Or we shall be devoured.


For some reason Donkey Kong Jungle Beat came to mind... in which you charge through the territories of 4-5 Simian rulers who, for all the game tells us, have fully just claims to their land, usurp them, kill a bunch of wildlife, steal all their bananas, and then beat the ever-loving SHIT out of them. A lot.

Then at the end, the now subservient former kings are forced to ritualistically dance for their new ruler.

 

[Bravo 21]

DEFCON, seems simple enough to begin with, defend your country, basic RTS, but when i think about it, I have initiated global thermonuclear war, and killed literally billions of people, because I was unwilling to settle for anything less than seeing the smouldering, radioactive ruins of my opponents cities

 

[Simonism451]

I like to point out that you get bonus points in LA Noire for framing communists,anarchists, hobos and pedophiles for crimes they didn't commit.

Edit: BJ Blaczkowitz (spelling mistake guaranteed) is just a tad bit too enthusiastic about killing Nazis.

skip to 7 min mark

That's not what R&R should look like! Fighting Nazis is great and all, killing dudes shouldn't be your definition of a holyday!!

 

[Artorius]

Portal series comes to mind

wait... why Portal? you play as a woman who is just trying to escape from a maniacal robot that is forcing you to do dangerous tests in the hopes that they will eventually kill you. its like trying to escape from a concentration camp and being called a bad guy.

Portal series comes to mind,
and Postal series also.
and Prototype, please the dude commits mass genocide.

In what way are you the bad guy in Portal and Portal 2?

I mean, you're basically a lab rat desperately trying to escape before you're killed. Again. And then brought back to life so that you can die some more. That's hardly evil... though if you have an amusing reason why it is I'd love to hear it.

okey take a look from it, in the eyes of GlaDOS. whom,have spent countless years doing scientific experiments, for SCIENCE.
but suddenly when a test subject goes renegade and destroys, all your accomplishments all your equipment,all of your hard work, ie pretty much what you stand for.

I mean, its like a lab rat going wild and destroying all lab result and equipment.and if it was a cancer research? wouldn't you call it evil if a lab rat causes a lab wild explosion and destroys years of hard work and results it provided.

perspective, people, perspective.
In your eyes you're fighting for your freedom,for your life. but from the eyes of GlaDOS you're a experiment gone wrong, who's destroying all of her hard work over the years. and kills her. if you don't call it evil. there won't be much left to be called evil.

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

Gears of War, if the COGs would just share the surface then there would be no need for all the fighting.

 

[Catfood220]

Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening. You spend the entire game trying to wake up the Windfish so you can get off Koholint Island. However, when you wake the Windfish you found out that the island is just a dream and is destroyed along with everything and everyone on it.