games you consider to be art
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I'm playing Tales of Vesperia atm and it's pretty beautiful. I tried to find a screenie that does it justice but I really can't.
Okami is very much art and I bought the concept art book just to look at now and again. Personally I find the old eight bit games such as secret of mana pretty artful the way they use the limited graphics to represent what they need to it's pretty clever sometimes.
Okami is very much art and I bought the concept art book just to look at now and again. Personally I find the old eight bit games such as secret of mana pretty artful the way they use the limited graphics to represent what they need to it's pretty clever sometimes.
I can honestly say I'm pretty torn on this question. On one level I agree with you (and on that same level I'd honestly say that games as a whole, as of yet haven't hit "art" status, although the potential is there), and on another level I feel that these distinctions in what is art and isn't art a lot of the time amount to a form of class warfare.Floppertje said:
This or that isn't "art" because it's trash that the masses enjoy. And the masses are stupid. Is it quality that determines if something is art or not? If so, who gets to be the arbiter of this quality? The artistic elite? Critics? If so, which critics (because they oft disagree)?
Such a tricky question. Again, not really neccisarily disagreeing with you (I do also see dangers in saying "everything" is art), just playing the devil's advocate.
Killer 7: Combing the elements of on-rail shooting with a third person "movement", add a touch of Suda's comic-esque, cel-shaded graphics, insane story telling and you have have a fresh new way to make and play a game. If you could compare the likes of Killer7 with another game; I would love to hear it.
Heavy Rain: Don't care what others thought. It was a thought provoking and engaging gaming experience. The soundtrack helped set the mood up for the game's atmosphere. I know, I know. Those damn QTE's everywhere in the game. But you know what? They worked. Hands down one of the top five games to make me feel some kind of emotion at the ending credits.
Limbo: You just have to say Limbo.
Heavy Rain: Don't care what others thought. It was a thought provoking and engaging gaming experience. The soundtrack helped set the mood up for the game's atmosphere. I know, I know. Those damn QTE's everywhere in the game. But you know what? They worked. Hands down one of the top five games to make me feel some kind of emotion at the ending credits.
Limbo: You just have to say Limbo.
While I'm not trying to attack in any way (or presume your understanding of these things), it's really important when looking at these pieces to be aware and understanding of the context of the artistic environment that they came out of. I do agree, seeing them sans context and they're just silly. But context is extremely important here.Tsaba said:I want you to take a look at some "art".....Hamish Durie said:
Did you get all that, that's "art," so if that's "art" then any video game is "art."
I'm willing to accept creative motives to an extent but I call pretentious bs on these. Sorry. Someone has to step up and say it.AgentNein said:While I'm not trying to attack in any way (or presume your understanding of these things), it's really important when looking at these pieces to be aware and understanding of the context of the artistic environment that they came out of. I do agree, seeing them sans context and they're just silly. But context is extremely important here.Tsaba said:I want you to take a look at some "art".....Hamish Durie said:
Did you get all that, that's "art," so if that's "art" then any video game is "art."
To me, the Wikipedia page for art puts it the best; Art is the product or process of deliberately arranging items (often with symbolic significance) in a way that influences and affects one or more of the senses, emotions, and intellect. With this in mind, how can you say that games are not art? Are games not made to make you feel a certain way, or think a certain way? There are so many people who think art is bogus without bothering to actually look past the surface.
That said, Silent Hill 2 for it's deep psychological exploration of a troubled man, manifested physsically, Deus Ex, for tackling huge, worldy, political themes and succeeding, for being thought provoking, bold, and eclectic, and for giving a choice to the player with no right or wrong, no good or evil. Portal for it's wonderful black humour, it's humanism, it's innovative design, etc. Amnesia, the Dark Descent for being the fisrt thing in a long time to scare the shit out of me. And an indie game called Terrorist Killer, which isn't the over-macho shoot em up it sounds like, but a political, blunt, and bold statement on war and terrorism.
That said, Silent Hill 2 for it's deep psychological exploration of a troubled man, manifested physsically, Deus Ex, for tackling huge, worldy, political themes and succeeding, for being thought provoking, bold, and eclectic, and for giving a choice to the player with no right or wrong, no good or evil. Portal for it's wonderful black humour, it's humanism, it's innovative design, etc. Amnesia, the Dark Descent for being the fisrt thing in a long time to scare the shit out of me. And an indie game called Terrorist Killer, which isn't the over-macho shoot em up it sounds like, but a political, blunt, and bold statement on war and terrorism.
While I agree to an extent, we as a community need to recognize, there is "good" art and then there is "bad" art, because if we suddenly make a group of people that decides whats art and what isn't then we will become nothing more than snobs. We need to welcome all games as art, be it good or bad... because that is what we as Gamers need to be.AgentNein said:
EDIT: It may not be an easy path to follow, but, that is what we need to do.
And I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with you on that one.xXxJessicaxXx said:I'm willing to accept creative motives to an extent but I call pretentious bs on these. Sorry. Someone has to step up and say it.AgentNein said:While I'm not trying to attack in any way (or presume your understanding of these things), it's really important when looking at these pieces to be aware and understanding of the context of the artistic environment that they came out of. I do agree, seeing them sans context and they're just silly. But context is extremely important here.Tsaba said:I want you to take a look at some "art".....Hamish Durie said:
Did you get all that, that's "art," so if that's "art" then any video game is "art."
Just saying that a lot of people brush off such art as pretensious, without caring enough to really look at the context in which these pieces came out of. The art "world" that they might have been responding to, and what they might have been trying to say.
Thats fair enough but if you think about it that's wall space and possible funding that could go to someone else.
I disagree with the notion that all video game are art, just like I disagree with the notion that all paintings, music, film etc is art. The doodles I made in my high school math book, for example, is not art. This... song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTAAYfGs2ZQ]... is not art. Etc.
Anyway, Shadows of the Colossus is the first game that comes to mind. It's minimalistic in it's presentation yet epic in it's scale. It uses it's gameplay to tell the story, instead of relying on an abundance of cutscenes. It's beautiful. It makes me think, it makes me feel. Like the part
Anyway, Shadows of the Colossus is the first game that comes to mind. It's minimalistic in it's presentation yet epic in it's scale. It uses it's gameplay to tell the story, instead of relying on an abundance of cutscenes. It's beautiful. It makes me think, it makes me feel. Like the part
where your horse, your one companion in this lonely quest, falls down a pit and seemingly dies, leaving you alone. You'd have to be made of stone to experience that and not feel something.
all games are art you can just single out a few games and call them art, if one games is art then they all of course some games are better art than other but they all are art
Okay, I think we're more or less on the same page.Tsaba said:
It's just that whenever I see Duchamp's Fountain posted in these debates it's usually a derision of some sorts. So I wasn't sure if your post was sincere or sarcastic. But I think we're on the same page.