Games you like that you can admit can be a bit cringe-worthy sometimes

[Danbo Jambo]

Patty was brilliant, although I much prefered Risen 2 out of the entire series. The humour made it for me.

Big breasts are mint and I like them in most games if they suit the character and vibe. However you only have to look at how out of context Dragon Age 2's sexing up of women was to see it actually hurt the game. The old women all had 36DD pert breasts, Flemeth lost all her mystery and earthyness, and believing Isabella could be away st sea for weeks on end and could keep a crew of pirates focussed when looking like that was too far a stretch for me.

So it's about the game more than the breast size really. If sexy, A-typical feminine women fit in the game then I'm more than happy to oogle over them. It's when they're forced into games it ruins it.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Scarface: The World is Yours.

It's not even debatable. But I love that game.

 

[Silvanus]

As, really, what guy is more likely to buy a game just because some woman in it has a large unrealistic chest? I've never encountered anyone who bases their decision on stuff like that.

You should tell advertisers that! They must be labouring under some silly apprehensions.

Define "sexist game".

That'd be a bit unnecessary, since he didn't use that phrase. He's not saying these elements make the game entirely sexist, or that he would describe them as "sexist games"; he's saying there are elements in them which are. It's far less absolute than you're making out.

OT: Hrrmrmrmm, Guild Wars 1 had a few instances. Compare male and female Elite Druid Armour [https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ranger_Elite_Druid_armor], for instance, and you may notice that the priorities of the designers were slightly different for men and women. Still love the game to bits.

 

[Saltyk]

All of 'm?

I mean, shit, every game is a bit sexist. So is every movie and television series for that matter.

Is it even possible to not be the tiniest bit sexist/objectifying/racist?

I doubt anyone sane could argue Tetris is sexist.

Just... Don't Google that. You should stay happy.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

Big breasts are mint and I like them in most games if they suit the character and vibe. However you only have to look at how out of context Dragon Age 2's sexing up of women was to see it actually hurt the game. The old women all had 36DD pert breasts, Flemeth lost all her mystery and earthyness, and believing Isabella could be away st sea for weeks on end and could keep a crew of pirates focussed when looking like that was too far a stretch for me.

Take off the apparel/armour of the vast majority of female or male characters in RPG's, and you'll see absurdly dissonant body models relative to age (or character, often). Isn't Wynne's figure (and complexion out of the clothing) incongruous?

Apropos Flemeth and Isabela: in lore it's entirely consistent for Flemeth to take many forms, and frankly her DA2/DA:I design is a far better fit.

And Bella's bust size was absurd, sure (almost as absurd as Bethany's in Varric's curtailed fantasy version of the prologue sequence), but her sexuality went hand-in-glove with her character. Not sure why you'd find it hard to believe Bella could keep a ship full of crewmen and women in line... You did play DA2, right? Aside from being disastrously selfish, she's badass and knows her sailing/piratey shit.

As for games I like that have sexist elements: as has been said above, most can be said contain some elements, so it's a bit of a moot point. However an interesting example of a game I enjoyed and admire is Lollipop Chainsaw; it is both sexist and subversively feminist, once again proving - to the dimwits on all sides of the 'debate' - that the world and art isn't so easily divided into Not Sexist or Sexist.

Oh, another is definitely the Mass Effect series: I love the games, but the asari are still a rather iffy concept (with some excellently written lore, to be fair), and Miranda Lawson's suit and those infamous cam angles are just eye-rollingly dopey. I mean, I'm fine with thinking Miranda's all kinds of sexy, but that suit is not what any vaguely sensible, cogent human being wears in either a firefight or, oh I dunno, running around a breached-hull Reaper husk in an eventually decaying orbit around a brown dwarf...

Plus, I do see FemShep's N7 cocktail dress as an example of sexism. Give a lady a dress for fancy occasions or off duty? Sure, but what pissed me off was that bloke-Shep always got the nifty, normal, very casual leather jacket'n'jeans combo, and FemShep gets to 'relax' in heels and a slinky dress on a friggin' warship.

...also, whilst almost all games exaggerate conventional concepts of masculine and feminine - and to an extent that's something I'm fine with (as long as diversity is included, too) - FemShep's character model was frustratingly and even immersion breakingly skinny. She doesn't look like she's gone through basic, let alone the hardcore training needed to get to N7.

So yeah, Mass Effect wasn't really a sexist game in its writing or characterisation (which are arguably what most matters), but there were a lot of elements that screamed 'this is a very male version of sci-fantasy', and I do hope Andromeda addresses those oddities of design.

 

[MrFalconfly]

Honestly?

I've just gone through my Steam library, and I can't find anything I'd classify as sexist (that is needlessly sexy without an explanation).

Granted, most of the games I have on my Steam account are racing sims, flight games, and space sims (so the only thing to identify that it's a female character would be the name on the roster).

If anything, I guess I'd say Saints Row, but it's hard to say conclusively, because those games are taking the piss so much, that you can't be sure they aren't taking the piss on that too.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I would define sexist as "Intentionally demeaning to women". I have played a lot of sexy games, but I have never considered any of them to be sexist.

 

[Silence]

Funny how people are involuntarily sexist in here by claiming that bust size or sexuality make a character unfit for specific roles.

Anyways, Risen seems just incredibly dumb (and one character model for all female characters, okay, THAT is sexist).

Anyways, a game which I like which treats women differently, actual sexist content? Hmm ... I only know lots of games without many females, which I would consider unfair representation. Maybe Dark Messiah of Might and Magic? Although I must admit I haven't really played that much, yet.

 

[Leg End]

Define "sexist".
Define "sexist game".

Absolutely fucking this. You just described fanservice, not sexism.

Pandering, fanservice that sort of thing.

Why not just say that then?

And again, this isn't meant to demonize games here. But some games do have some sexist elements in them. Doesn't mean that the games are bad.

But when you use the term sexist when you mean sexy fanservice, it creates... problems.

That's fine. I just personally think blatant pandering and fanservice like this is somewhat sexist. It doesn't mean that the game is bad, it just is a bit sexist.

Even if it's a male or female creator providing fanservice of their own sex?

But the thread is more meant for your own definition. What games do you like that would be somewhat sexist in your definition of the word.

Brain hurts but alright.

None. I really can't think of any. By my definition at least.

Rumble Roses.

Okay, yes. Tits. And it has mud wrestling, and a humilation game mechanic.

you know what else? It's also a damn good wrestling game, with a great cast of colorful lady wrestlers who'd fit perfectly well into modern WWE. Hell I'd even think it would make a great anime considering some of the character's backstories. So not only did the player get the extreme beach volleyball presentation, but decent gameplay to go along with it.

Plus I love Reiko Hinnomoto's look. She's cute, while at the same time looking like a bad ass Goldberg style MMA fighter. Every one of these ladies looks like she could do some serious damage.

Always wanted to pick it up but you just sold me outright. Congratulations.

and, yeah, Rumble Roses is eye candy but that's just one part of the larger package... I dunno, Joshi is weird.

Ya know what it's like? I know what it's like. That NXT wrestler, Asuka. Rumble Roses is Asuka in video game form.

(She's sexy, but one kick from her will crack your skull open)

I did not know how much I needed an asian wrestling knockout molesting her opponent and beating their ass in my life, until now.

 

[PhantomEcho]

Honestly?

I've just gone through my Steam library, and I can't find anything I'd classify as sexist (that is needlessly sexy without an explanation).

Granted, most of the games I have on my Steam account are racing sims, flight games, and space sims (so the only thing to identify that it's a female character would be the name on the roster).

If anything, I guess I'd say Saints Row, but it's hard to say conclusively, because those games are taking the piss so much, that you can't be sure they aren't taking the piss on that too.

Oh, but you can most definitely be certain they are.

If it exists in a Saints Row game other than the first one... it's being mocked or criticized in some fashion. Which is great, because even its mockery and criticism is taken with a mocking, critical tone. It doesn't take itself seriously, it doesn't take it's content seriously, and it doesn't even take it's dedication to being the most un-serious thing in existence seriously either.

Saints Row has moved into a realm of satire which even satirizes the art of satire.

And perhaps that's why it is both absolutely a blast to play... and the mental equivalent of gorging on cupcakes and jelly donuts until your heart explodes.

 

[PhantomEcho]

-Internet Glitch Double Post: Disregard-

 

[Amaror]

Anyways, Risen seems just incredibly dumb (and one character model for all female characters, okay, THAT is sexist).

Why is that sexist? All female characters in this case means 3-4 characters, with one body model and I think 2 head-variants.
I think men, of which there are vastly more in Risen, have 2 or 3 body models and a couple of head-variants. It's pretty easy to notice duplicate clone-characters in these games.
But why do you think that is sexist? We aren't talking AAA studio here. There are 10 - 30 guys working on this game (27 now, don't know how many there were when Risen was made but it was not more). And despite that they still managed to make a rather big RPG with an medium-sized very detailed open-world that has one of the best and most enjoyable exploration to date.
I don't think it's sexist to budget the game according to their ressources. They couldn't afford to make a lot of different character models and I don't think that's sexist. Should they have instead not have any women in the game instead?

 

[Lightspeaker]

Pandering, fanservice that sort of thing.

This is literally the lowest bar that you can possibly set and is unbelievably sex-negative. You are literally shaming people for the very existence of sexy things.

Sexy =/= sexist


If you want actually sexist games you want to look at stuff like Duke Nukem. Or that damn awful game that I'm not 100% sure I can remember the name of...Ride to Hell or something like that? Wherein you apparently literally get rewarded by women throwing themselves at your character.

 

[loa]

Women having tits is not "sexist". Women having asses is not "sexist".
Can we stop this puritanical bullshit and maybe have discussions of merit?
Who am I kidding.

 

[Amaror]

This is literally the lowest bar that you can possibly set and is unbelievably sex-negative. You are literally shaming people for the very existence of sexy things.
Sexy =/= sexist
If you want actually sexist games you want to look at stuff like Duke Nukem. Or that damn awful game that I'm not 100% sure I can remember the name of...Ride to Hell or something like that? Wherein you apparently literally get rewarded by women throwing themselves at your character.

I didn't mean it like that. I don't equate sexy with sexist. The comment about "pandering, fanservice" was just a generall guideline of what I meant, not the exact description.
The reason why I considered Patty's change in appearance to be sexist was that she was the only major character in the series that underwent a change like that. Every other major character looks pretty much the same in Risen 3 as they did in Risen 2. Patty is the only character that was changed at all with the results that you can see in the OP.
I think I should clarify my OP since sexist seems to be too crass a word for what I meant.

 

[Amaror]

Women having tits is not "sexist". Women having asses is not "sexist".
Can we stop this puritanical bullshit and maybe have discussions of merit?
Who am I kidding.

It's not about women having tits or asses. It's about established characters with established looks getting changed for fanservice.

 

[nomotog_v1legacy]

Honestly?

I've just gone through my Steam library, and I can't find anything I'd classify as sexist (that is needlessly sexy without an explanation).

Granted, most of the games I have on my Steam account are racing sims, flight games, and space sims (so the only thing to identify that it's a female character would be the name on the roster).

If anything, I guess I'd say Saints Row, but it's hard to say conclusively, because those games are taking the piss so much, that you can't be sure they aren't taking the piss on that too.

Oh, but you can most definitely be certain they are.

If it exists in a Saints Row game other than the first one... it's being mocked or criticized in some fashion. Which is great, because even its mockery and criticism is taken with a mocking, critical tone. It doesn't take itself seriously, it doesn't take it's content seriously, and it doesn't even take it's dedication to being the most un-serious thing in existence seriously either.

Saints Row has moved into a realm of satire which even satirizes the art of satire.

And perhaps that's why it is both absolutely a blast to play... and the mental equivalent of gorging on cupcakes and jelly donuts until your heart explodes.

Saints row isn't always satire. It depend on the game and also on how you make your character. 2 can be kind of iffy if you look at it. The only female character who isn't fridged is shandy who pulls most of their power from the large amount of men she has dated. Then you also have pierce being made fun of for liking shoes with kind of the implication being that they are gay.

 

[CaitSeith]

Define "sexist".
Define "sexist game".

I think the point of this thread is to use your definition, and tell about games you like but have something that make even you raise an eyebrow.

 

[Hades]

I think Dynasty Warriors doesn't exactly treat its females right. Pretty much all of them are devoted wives who always gush over their husbands and really don't have much interaction with anyone else. Weirdly enough its counterpart Samurai Warriors doesn't seem to have this problem.

To be fair, its a series based on history and war. Not a lot of females to choose from that aren't just famous wives and concubines. Would you prefer they just not have any women besides Wang Yi who was only actually relevant for one minor battle but instead is given major importance in the Wei army?

Its a series based on history but except for 7 and 8 its Samurai Warriors which always struck me as more historically accurate and that series doesn't have that problem. I would like to see DW learning from its sister series. Rather then just make a devoted wife they could do something like Kenshin's sister who is hilariously creepy, scares even enemy warlords and who seems to be the real one calling the shots. Even Nene who does act like an adoring wife and housemom still has plenty of interactions with characters other then her husband which DW females lack.

 

[The Lunatic]

I don't think any game is "Problematic". It just appeals to an audience that's interested in sexy stuff in games.

I'm not really interested in sexy stuff in games, so, I just don't play them. I don't think the gaming world has to revolve around my interests.