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Skyesby said:
Red and Blue from the first Generation Pokemon games of the same name. Why?

Consider this: When Red first fights Blue after their incident at the lab, he has a Rattata. Since he keeps it around, it evolves into a Raticate, which Red fights on the SS Anne before fighting Surge. Red doesn't see him for a while before suddenly running into him in the Pokemon Tower in Lavender Town. Where he is facing a lone gravestone. When Red talks to him, he turns and rather angrily asks him what he's doing here, since none of his pokemon look dead. He then asks Red if he know what it feels like. From that battle onward, he never has his Raticate again.

So with that in mind, let's consider something else: Blue's Raticate was severely injured in the fight on the SS Anne, but because of all the confusion and chaos on a major cruiseliner the boy couldn't find it medical care fast enough, and it died. When Red finds him in Lavender Town, he was putting his old departed friend to rest. He never outwardly tells Red that he's responsible, but he does know it. Despite trying to tell himself that it's not Red's fault, that it was just bad luck, he knows it was you that killed his pet, and he will never truly forgive him. But he doesn't harbor an active grudge or attempt to kill him, nothing so childish. That impish kid nature of his shattered long ago. Instead he channels this grief and rage into determination: To fulfill his promise to his departed friend and become the Kanto champion: To finally show Red up and make him face humiliation. Which he does... For all of five minutes, before Red appears and decimates his team again. On top of that, Professor Oak, his only remaining father figure (yeah, he doesn't have any parents) appears, chastises him for 'not caring about his pokemon enough' after all he did for just one of them, and then piles praise and glory on Red. After this Blue is never seen again in the game, and I think we all know why.

Keep in mind that Red is the player character. So throughout the course of a kid's game, you singlehandedly destroy a young boy without laying a finger on him.
really? again? how many people have posted this stupid conspiracy theory verbatim? and how does that make Red and Blue a "good" relationship?

If you're going to psychoanalyze a one-dimensional video game character, lets analyze him. Blue is quite arrogant in his attitudes and speeches, one might even consider him a bully. He is clearly skilled with Pokemon to challenge you (the player) at every turn. AND, considering you have the ability to own hundreds of Pokemon and they never die in battle, ever (notice everyone else in the Lavender Tower says their Pokemon died of "old age" or were "hit by a car" not one person makes any reference to "battled too hard" or "died in/after battle"), then it is likely to assume he simply obtained a stronger pokemon.

Also, is Blue really so obsessed with the player such that he has no other friends, relatives, pokemon, etc.? Signs point to "no". Consider how you obtained your own pokemon. You caught some, and traded for others (including with in-game characters). Particular evidence of this is Blue's Golem, which only evolves once traded (and appears after he drops Raticate). Chances are, he either traded Raticate to obtain Golem, or dumped the rat in the computer box (as you probably did about halfway through the game, aka Lavender Town?).

Cannonically, Blue (3 years later, aka. Gold and Silver) plies his skills to become the Viridian Gym leader after Red takes down Giovanni and Team Rocket. (speaking of psychological murder, where does HE go hm? does he "disappear" as Blue does at the end of the original Pokemons? he's no longer in the gym after you beat him and Team Rocket is gone and makes no direct appearance later. How would you feel if you were a powerful mob boss defeated and thwarted by a 10 year old and his pet rat, lizard, turtle, and whatever else? he should have just shot you after you defeated him. how's that for character development?)

Admittedly none of that is known at the end of Red/Blue. It's called a "cliffhanger". It makes you want to find out what happened and therefore play any sequels that come out. Stop trying to find meaning that isn't there.
 

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I'm gonna say Rios and Salem in Army of Two. Loved their interaction. Best bromance ever.
 

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Fallout 3- the Lone Wanderer, and his daddy (voiced by Liam Neeson).

that realtionship is essentially one of the core elements of this game's story.

It's like Bethesta had a canon Lone Wanderer in mind making that game, just as their was a canon Vault Dweller in Fallout 1, and possibly a canon Chosen One.
 

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Skyesby said:
Red and Blue from the first Generation Pokemon games of the same name. Why?

Consider this: When Red first fights Blue after their incident at the lab, he has a Rattata. Since he keeps it around, it evolves into a Raticate, which Red fights on the SS Anne before fighting Surge. Red doesn't see him for a while before suddenly running into him in the Pokemon Tower in Lavender Town. Where he is facing a lone gravestone. When Red talks to him, he turns and rather angrily asks him what he's doing here, since none of his pokemon look dead. He then asks Red if he know what it feels like. From that battle onward, he never has his Raticate again.

So with that in mind, let's consider something else: Blue's Raticate was severely injured in the fight on the SS Anne, but because of all the confusion and chaos on a major cruiseliner the boy couldn't find it medical care fast enough, and it died. When Red finds him in Lavender Town, he was putting his old departed friend to rest. He never outwardly tells Red that he's responsible, but he does know it. Despite trying to tell himself that it's not Red's fault, that it was just bad luck, he knows it was you that killed his pet, and he will never truly forgive him. But he doesn't harbor an active grudge or attempt to kill him, nothing so childish. That impish kid nature of his shattered long ago. Instead he channels this grief and rage into determination: To fulfill his promise to his departed friend and become the Kanto champion: To finally show Red up and make him face humiliation. Which he does... For all of five minutes, before Red appears and decimates his team again. On top of that, Professor Oak, his only remaining father figure (yeah, he doesn't have any parents) appears, chastises him for 'not caring about his pokemon enough' after all he did for just one of them, and then piles praise and glory on Red. After this Blue is never seen again in the game, and I think we all know why.

Keep in mind that Red is the player character. So throughout the course of a kid's game, you singlehandedly destroy a young boy without laying a finger on him.
really? again? how many people have posted this stupid conspiracy theory verbatim? and how does that make Red and Blue a "good" relationship?

If you're going to psychoanalyze a one-dimensional video game character, lets analyze him. Blue is quite arrogant in his attitudes and speeches, one might even consider him a bully. He is clearly skilled with Pokemon to challenge you (the player) at every turn. AND, considering you have the ability to own hundreds of Pokemon and they never die in battle, ever (notice everyone else in the Lavender Tower says their Pokemon died of "old age" or were "hit by a car" not one person makes any reference to "battled too hard" or "died in/after battle"), then it is likely to assume he simply obtained a stronger pokemon.

Also, is Blue really so obsessed with the player such that he has no other friends, relatives, pokemon, etc.? Signs point to "no". Consider how you obtained your own pokemon. You caught some, and traded for others (including with in-game characters). Particular evidence of this is Blue's Golem, which only evolves once traded (and appears after he drops Raticate). Chances are, he either traded Raticate to obtain Golem, or dumped the rat in the computer box (as you probably did about halfway through the game, aka Lavender Town?).

Cannonically, Blue (3 years later, aka. Gold and Silver) plies his skills to become the Viridian Gym leader after Red takes down Giovanni and Team Rocket. (speaking of psychological murder, where does HE go hm? does he "disappear" as Blue does at the end of the original Pokemons? he's no longer in the gym after you beat him and Team Rocket is gone and makes no direct appearance later. How would you feel if you were a powerful mob boss defeated and thwarted by a 10 year old and his pet rat, lizard, turtle, and whatever else? he should have just shot you after you defeated him. how's that for character development?)

Admittedly none of that is known at the end of Red/Blue. It's called a "cliffhanger". It makes you want to find out what happened and therefore play any sequels that come out. Stop trying to find meaning that isn't there.

Missing the point much? This is meant to be funny. The fact that it is so in depth for such one dimensional children's game characters is why it is funny. The humor comes from how much is being read into the situation. Because you are right, if someone takes this seriously they are plain stupid.
 

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Not sure if this counts, but me (in real life) and Brooklyn from Call of Duty 2: Big Red One.
 

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Ico and Yorda from Ico are definitely up there, mostly because of the amazingly tender and well-designed animations between the two. Gently taking each others' hands, falling asleep on the save couches with Yorda's head resting on Ico's shoulder... aw...

Cloud and Aerith, from Final Fantasy VII. Their ill-fated romance is a very interesting one, especially once all is understood about Zack, and how he factors in to both Cloud and Aerith's past. No, I don't ship Clerith: at this point it simply wouldn't work, for obvious reasons. But that relationship is one of gaming's most complex, in many ways, and Aerith's Theme still has the power to bring me to tears.

Jade and Pey'j, from Beyond Good and Evil. Their father-daughter-like relationship was well-written, fun to watch, and simply touching.

The Prince and Farah, from Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time. The Prince's snarky remarks and constant whining to himself when she wasn't around never ceased to entertain, and seeing their relationship develop, and seeing what it had to become at the end, is an interactive storytelling experience I will never forget.

But most of all would probably be Celes and Locke, from Final Fantasy VI. I can't even explain it in words. Play that game. It is an absolute masterpiece of storytelling on the SNES, and you will be blown away at how well a story can be told with such dated technology. Brilliant game.
 

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I'd say Shepard and [Insert romance option here] but I have always gotten the impression that the relationships are just about sex. Even with Tali where she likes Shepard, to continue with the romance option you have to agree to sex despite the risk, otherwise it doesn't continue.

I'd have thought that not wanting to risk someone's health for the sake of sexual pleasure would be more romantic personally. I think that once you have shown an interest in a character then you should be together but it can take several directions depending on choices. Not like a dating sim or anything, just enough to make it seem more plausible.

I would also say Gordon and Alyx's relationship in Half Life, but it's a little one way.

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Also, the essence of great characterisation (not necessarily all the depth) was present in Halo 3 with the bond between Chief and Cortana.
I have always liked that one. especially as someone who knows the history of Halo. It inspired my new Avatar in fact.
 

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Locke and Celes. (Final Fantasy VI)

The most single potent and powerful romance in all of videogame-dom.
 

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Nathan Hale and the mute person that player 2 controls in the first Resistance game. They had so much chemistry. Probably because it was a good friend (at the time) controlling him.
 

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Snownine said:
Missing the point much? This is meant to be funny. The fact that it is so in depth for such one dimensional children's game characters is why it is funny. The humor comes from how much is being read into the situation. Because you are right, if someone takes this seriously they are plain stupid.
I get the point. And it was funny, the FIRST time. But this story is copy/pasted so much it implies that people actually believe it. And that not only frustrates me to no end, it makes me afraid because those idiots will be driving cars and/or breeding within a couple decades if not already...

But ON TOPIC: the best character relationship I'd have to say is everyone in Final Fantasy IV. Specifically: Yang and his Wife; Cecil, Kain, and Rosa (awesomest love triangle ever); Edge and Rubicante; Edward and Tellah; Palom and Porom (and just about everyone else they meet, lol). Other Final Fantasy games are better known (or in some cases, just plain better. seriously, go play VI if you haven't yet.), but IV really nailed the interrelationships of the characters, in addition to individual development.

Speaking of VI... My favorite relationships there are between Terra, Locke, and Celes (second awesomest love triangle ever, only because... well you'll have to play the game to find out); the quirky relationship between Gau and Cyan; finally, Edgar and [insert female name here], most pimptastic prince ever.
 

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really? again? Absitively posolutely. how many people have posted this stupid conspiracy theory verbatim? Not sure, I'm not one of them. I took the liberty of paraphrasing, thank you. and how does that make Red and Blue a "good" relationship?

Depends on how you define "good". "Good" can mean 'nice' or it can mean 'interesting'. Which, considering the setting, dealing that much psychological damage to a person is fascinating considering the context, and not unlike some more mature-minded revenge plots. Maybe Red snapped under the constant shadow of his long-time rival and decided to get back for once. I think it's interesting for the same reason why I still wonder why red is so stoic at the end of Gold and Silver: Because I read between the lines and I like what I read..

If you're going to psychoanalyze a one-dimensional video game character, lets analyze him. Sure. Blue is quite arrogant in his attitudes and speeches, one might even consider him a bully. Yep. He is clearly skilled with Pokemon to challenge you (the player) at every turn. But part of the point is that it becomes less about 'I've got shinier toys than you' and more about 'I made a promise and I intend to keep it'. Perhaps the cavalier attitude later on is simply a facade. After all, if someone's that arrogant and badass would they really want to admit that they feel pain over a dead rat? AND, considering you have the ability to own hundreds of Pokemon and they never die in battle, ever (notice everyone else in the Lavender Tower says their Pokemon died of "old age" or were "hit by a car" not one person makes any reference to "battled too hard" or "died in/after battle")Look at a bidoof, then look at metagross, then look at hyper beam and tell me the little beaver will just faint after getting hit by a laser. Maybe no one makes a reference to it because they're not there at the time. It's a big world, after all., then it is likely to assume he simply obtained a stronger pokemon. Of course he did, but if he was at least somewhat human and he had that one rattata up until about a third of the way through his career, one could assume some attachment would happen.

Also, is Blue really so obsessed with the player such that he has no other friends, relatives, pokemon, etc.? Never said he was that obsessed with the character, only that he now just has a sister and a grandfather. And iirc, they don't really say much about him which would imply that he doesn't call often. Sure he may have friends, he's Gary Fucking Oak, but someone can have something eating at them even when they're content with other people. Signs point to "no". Consider how you obtained your own pokemon. You caught some, and traded for others (including with in-game characters). Particular evidence of this is Blue's Golem, which only evolves once traded (and appears after he drops Raticate). Chances are, he either traded Raticate to obtain Golem, or dumped the rat in the computer box (as you probably did about halfway through the game, aka Lavender Town?). Then why is he so pissed when you talk to him in Lavender Town? If he snaps at you for none of your pokemon being dead when none his are either, then what is he doing there?

Cannonically, Blue (3 years later, aka. Gold and Silver) plies his skills to become the Viridian Gym leader after Red takes down Giovanni and Team Rocket. (speaking of psychological murder, where does HE go hm? does he "disappear" as Blue does at the end of the original Pokemons? he's no longer in the gym after you beat him and Team Rocket is gone and makes no direct appearance later. How would you feel if you were a powerful mob boss defeated and thwarted by a 10 year old and his pet rat, lizard, turtle, and whatever else? he should have just shot you after you defeated him. how's that for character development?) a) There are apparently no guns in pokemon. Canonically speaking, people used pokemon as weapons in war. b) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pExn-S7WduQ#t=4m57s Hear that loud sound? Sounds a bit like a splash. Yeah, we were on top of a several story-high waterfall. The situation reminds me of a certain french inspector.

Admittedly none of that is known at the end of Red/Blue. It's called a "cliffhanger". It makes you want to find out what happened and therefore play any sequels that come out. Stop trying to find meaning that isn't there.Unless you're Junichi Masuda in disguise, you can't say for a fact that it really isn't there. People can believe whatever they want, and if you think it's bullshit, go for it. Your explanation is as valid as mine until someone directly in charge clarifies, and bitching about people considering connections between odd elements in a plot isn't going to help your case.
 

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Chell and GLaDOS. Chell may be a little on the quiet side, but that passive-aggressive psychopathic computer has enough venom and witticisms for the both of them.
 

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Amaterasu and Issun from Okami. Without spoiling anything for people who haven't played it, (and you really should) their relationship is heartwarming and at times, highly emotional. It's a true joy to watch.
 

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SavingPrincess said:
Locke and Celes. (Final Fantasy VI)

The most single potent and powerful romance in all of videogame-dom.
*sigh*...I was so hopeful that no-one else would have thought of this...damn you.

Anyhoo, Dogmeat and the Lone Wanderer in FO3. Actually, Dogmeat and any of the various Fallout protagonists, but particularly FO3 because of (stupid reason ahoy!) Dogmeat being a Blue Heeler, a breed near and dear to my heart. I never took any of the stronger companions with me in my treks across the Wasteland...just me and my dog.
 

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2xDouble said:
Snownine said:
Missing the point much? This is meant to be funny. The fact that it is so in depth for such one dimensional children's game characters is why it is funny. The humor comes from how much is being read into the situation. Because you are right, if someone takes this seriously they are plain stupid.
I get the point. And it was funny, the FIRST time. But this story is copy/pasted so much it implies that people actually believe it. And that not only frustrates me to no end, it makes me afraid because those idiots will be driving cars and/or breeding within a couple decades if not already...

But ON TOPIC: the best character relationship I'd have to say is everyone in Final Fantasy IV. Specifically: Yang and his Wife; Cecil, Kain, and Rosa (awesomest love triangle ever); Edge and Rubicante; Edward and Tellah; Palom and Porom (and just about everyone else they meet, lol). Other Final Fantasy games are better known (or in some cases, just plain better. seriously, go play VI if you haven't yet.), but IV really nailed the interrelationships of the characters, in addition to individual development.

Speaking of VI... My favorite relationships there are between Terra, Locke, and Celes (second awesomest love triangle ever, only because... well you'll have to play the game to find out); the quirky relationship between Gau and Cyan; finally, Edgar and [insert female name here], most pimptastic prince ever.

I'm glad you mentioned FFIV, that is very high on my list of favorite games of all time. It was the first RPG I ever played and I came across it when I was just learning to read enough to actually play it. Man that was a long time ago. The relationship between Gau and Cyan is nice, "Mr. Thou".