Ganon is Muslim

[SnowCold]

Well, Muslim acinet culture is bad-ass, with all the deserts, that cool cloth thing that they put on their mouths, and insted of all those knights rush to battle like idiots, the arad warriors stealthly run around in the desret, and were your not looking, theres an arrow prieced in your head!
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But Now when I think about it, the only thing that relates from ganon in my list are the desert, and you never really fight him in one.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

What's wrong with this. We've had a crack at the Soviets (Red Alert), the Nazis (everyone and their brother), pseudo-Nazis (Killzone), pseudo-Russkies (Freedom Fighter)....why not have a go at another repressive, violent system- religion!


And no, this is not sarcasm. It's me thinking 'Fair enough, 13thC Islam had quite a bit of cool worth stealing'

 

[EzraPound]

And no, this is not sarcasm. It's me thinking 'Fair enough, 13thC Islam had quite a bit of cool worth stealing'

I think it's good, too. I wish there were more games with historic themes (or vaguely historic themes) as opposed to derivative sci-fi or fantasy ones. Why not a melee MMOG set to the Trojan War? A Far Cry/Morrowind hybrid about the settlement of North America? The 'FPS' concept should break from solely gun-based games, too, to perhaps encompass historic conflicts (you can shoot a bow and arrow, can't you?).

 

[Fire Daemon]

And no, this is not sarcasm. It's me thinking 'Fair enough, 13thC Islam had quite a bit of cool worth stealing'

I think it's good, too. I wish there were more games with historic themes (or vaguely historic themes) as opposed to derivative sci-fi or fantasy ones. Why not a melee MMOG set to the Trojan War? A Far Cry/Morrowind hybrid about the settlement of North America? The 'FPS' concept should break from solely gun-based games, too, to perhaps encompass historic conflicts (you can shoot a bow and arrow, can't you?).

A couple of my friends and I had the idea of a Battlefield game set in numerous historical battles. I actually had a pretty neat idea for using a sword that was more than clicking the left button.

But I think that should be saved for another thread.

 

[Flour]

a) I listened to an .mp3 of the chant and it clearly sounds Arabic.

It sounds how you want it to sound.
I'm quite sure Hebrew comes from the same region of the world, so it will obviously sound a lot like other languages from the same region.
Unless you actually understand the language, saying how a language sounds is the same as comparing two types of sand, and saying they're the same.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this part of the message, since the rest only shows the American anti-Muslim propaganda has clearly worked a bit too well on this person.

 

[Knight Templar]

That is a leap of logic, but I don't really have the facts to sure.

Oh and the moon and stars thing, I don't think it means anything. In baldur's gate the cast magic icon was close but in the end it was just a symbol.

All new ideas use old the old, it wouldn't be odd if this was true.

 

[Jamanticus]

Keyword: 'Wikipedia'

You should always take wikinformation with a handful of salt, you know.

Wikipedia is a tertiary source, nothing more.

...............An incredibly good tertiary source that is usually chalk-full of references.........


But I see your point.

 

[perfectimo]

All I can say is... so? This just seems like a weak bait attempt because you clearly aren't changing your mind any time soon.

 

[Typecast]

I honestly thought the Geuredo(spelling please) clan was more like gypsies but from the desert.

 

[EzraPound]

I really have no idea why people are criticizing the idea that Ganon and the Gerudos at large are loosely stylized according to Medieval Islamic culture. I never asserted, after all, that it was pejorative in the least, and it seems fairly obvious to me given the number of allusions - the quasi-Islamic attire, the chant similar enough to a Muslim one it had to be removed, the desert, the moon and stars, 'Ganon' being a Middle Eastern name, etc. Perhaps people here are mistaking me for meaning that Ganon is 'literally' a Muslim, when I'm merely suggesting the thematic parallels between him, the Gerudos, and historic Islam.

 

[Draenoch]

wrong page. oops

 

[perfectimo]

I really have no idea why people are criticizing the idea that Ganon and the Gerudos at large are loosely stylized according to Medieval Islamic culture. I never asserted, after all, that it was pejorative in the least, and it seems fairly obvious to me given the number of allusions.

Loosely Stylized? According to the title of this thread you claim "Ganon is Muslim", maybe they are criticizing because instead of just saying there seams to be Arabic, note that does not instantly mean Muslim, symbols in a game, you went ahead and claimed he was Muslim.

This is an interesting idea, maybe the whole star and moon idea came from... hmmm... *looks at night sky* I don't know where I was going with that, don't worry.

I'm leaving this thread due to lack of anything to discuss.

 

[EzraPound]

Loosely Stylized? According to the title of this thread you claim "Ganon is Muslim", maybe they are criticizing because instead of just saying there seams to be Arabic, note that does not instantly mean Muslim, symbols in a game, you went ahead and claimed he was Muslim.

Okay, how about no? The moon and stars is a symbol principally associated with religio-Middle Eastern political factions, and the Islamic chant is explicitly religious. So to speak generally and to say 'Ganon is Muslim', as in 'Ganon hails from a people that resemble thoroughly Islamicized political subsets to a really vague degree' is not necessarily undiscerning.

This is an interesting idea, maybe the whole star and moon idea came from... hmmm... *looks at night sky* I don't know where I was going with that, don't worry.

Yeah, I guess that's random. And the fact Ganon hails from a desert. And the fact the moon and stars are principally associated with that area in-game. And the fact his name is Middle Eastern. And the fact the featured moon and stars in OoT follow the exact pattern of design as the Islamic symbol. And the fact a chant associated with him resembled a Muslim one to such an extent that Nintendo felt liable enough to remove it. And the fact the attire of the Gerudos vaguely resembles early Arabic stylings. And the fact Hyrule contrastingly resembles Christendom.

I guess next you're going to tell me that Hyrule doesn't bear any resemblance to Medieval Europe put through the filter of fantasy, right? Because the inspiration for the Gerudos is similarly obvious, if you understand history at all.

 

[Erana]

First off, I just have to say that all the Arab men I know are pretty badass. Considering that even Ganondorf's own society shuns him, I think they were just going for a manly antagonist.
I cannot recall the exact study, but I believe that in my class on Japanese culture, Japanese men rank Arab men as the most masculine as a whole.
If you do want to place any religious stock into the whole thing, then it would probably be pointing out how much more empowered women are by the Koran than in the Bible.

Anyway, I agree that it was just to attempt to differentiate the Gerudo from the Hylians, since the interior of the Gerudo fortress appears to be more of a western-style building than a desert society.

 

[James Raynor]

Why does it matter in a video game.

 

[Rath709]

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1998 called, they want their "news" back.