Gary Oldman Slams "Political Correctness," Calls Dark Knight Movies "Work"

[Ratty]

"white privilege": Archaic phrase briefly used in the early 21st century. Used by individuals who were so lazy that they decided to instead to blame white males for their problems instead of getting off the computer and doing actual work. Ironically almost all users of this phrase were themselves upper-middle class white North American kids who lived in white only neighborhoods and who were so bored with their content and peaceful lives, never having experienced any actual oppression or death camps or war on their homeland, that they decided to make up problems and decided to meet on websites like Tumblr to keep reinforcing this self-oppressed echo chamber. Most of the real racial minorities never heard of this phrase or concept, seeing how as American minorities usually had what are called real lives and rarely used the internet to communicate with white-only web communities that used the "white privilege" meme and myth. This mental instability among white liberal kids also led to such extreme boredom that they would make up lies such as "I have been another gender my whole life trapped in this body" and then pretend to be some made-up sexual class that was being oppressed since time beginning despite having been made up like just yesterday

You... really have no idea what you're talking about do you? You realize that transgenderism is neither a mental illness nor a recent invention of rich Americans? Next time you want to rant about people pulling complaints out of their asses out of boredom, check and make sure your own hand isn't starting to reflexively reach for your own backside first.

 

[wizzy555]

"white privilege": Archaic phrase briefly used in the early 21st century. Used by individuals who were so lazy that they decided to instead to blame white males for their problems instead of getting off the computer and doing actual work. Ironically almost all users of this phrase were themselves upper-middle class white North American kids who lived in white only neighborhoods and who were so bored with their content and peaceful lives, never having experienced any actual oppression or death camps or war on their homeland, that they decided to make up problems and decided to meet on websites like Tumblr to keep reinforcing this self-oppressed echo chamber. Most of the real racial minorities never heard of this phrase or concept, seeing how as American minorities usually had what are called real lives and rarely used the internet to communicate with white-only web communities that used the "white privilege" meme and myth. This mental instability among white liberal kids also led to such extreme boredom that they would make up lies such as "I have been another gender my whole life trapped in this body" and then pretend to be some made-up sexual class that was being oppressed since time beginning despite having been made up like just yesterday

You... really have no idea what you're talking about do you? You realize that transgenderism is neither a mental illness nor a recent invention of rich Americans? Next time you want to rant about people pulling complaints out of their asses out of boredom, check and make sure your own hand isn't starting to reflexively reach for your own backside first.

It isn't a recent invention but it has been declared a mental illness at various points in history, but this highlights that it's often very difficult to get an objective handle on what a mental illness is.

 

[Brownie80]

Did anyone criticizing him actually read the article? He said some things that were a bit insensitive but the point stands loud and clear to me. We have huge double standards, not just in hollywood but in all of the developed world. People get crucified for saying objectionable things when in reality everyone has done something similar or worse at some point. Its nice to see someone just be honest for ONCE. I didn't come out of the interview thinking Gary Oldman is a bigot. I came out thinking Gary Oldman might be the only honest man in show business. I have a really hard time thinking people could be so deluded from politics and political correctness that they would really have a negative opinion after reading that interview.

Who am I kidding? This is the escapist! Why look into the deeper meaning when you can take things out of context to send someone up the river?

If you don't like the Escapist then don't post. Don't insult the 95% of people on this site that want to contribute. And sorry sir, you are wrong, it was not out of context at all.

 

[Brownie80]

Bob's taken the entire article out of context. Anybody with 5 minutes to spare can easily verify this.

Also is it just me or does Bob take every chance he can get at knocking off DC movies? I mean really, out of all the things Oldman said in the interview, he picks "Dark Knight movies were work" as the title? As if that was some kind of negative comment on the movies themselves? Christ, EVERY movie is "work".

I think it means something different because it was said in a negative light. Not like "Man we accomplished this with a little hard work!" More like "Man I just sunk a lot of time in my life with needless work."

 

[sumanoskae]

I have never met Gary Oldman, why should his opinions surprise me?

 

[The Material Sheep]

Everyone has the right to say racial and homophobic slurs. You don't have to like it but they have the right to say it.

Of course they have the right to say it. It's a free world, most of it at least. That's just make them stupid, intolerant, cruel people. I just don't believe there's any possible explanation for calling someone racial/homophobic slur, no matter how angry you are. It's just a matter of culture and tact. And basically Mr Oldman just said it's ok, because when you're angry you can call someone "f*g" because, hey, we all use those words, right?

Well you could have a thing with your friends where you call each other mean names as a term of endearment. My best friend in highschool use to always call me a dyke, and I called him a stunted douche. In the context of our friendship those words were a manner of endearment. Just like when words are said in your least rational point, anger, drunkenness, extreme sadness, I don't think most people realistically would get too mad at you. It's understandable, and most people can understand the context of a not rational person lashing out. It's not classy, and people usually regret saying such things as perhaps they should. However most people should understand that there isn't much meaning behind them. It's just a general insult or something you regret saying and apologize for. In which case we've all been at low points, we're just fortunate enough to not be public view most of our life.

Save for Mel Gibson who to me has a very long and storied history of antisemitism, however it's not just one lashing out. It's not just one foot in his mouth moment. It's a series of things. In the article I don't think Mr. Oldmen was defending the content of Gibson's view, but more calling bs on unfair scrutiny of it as opposed to other extreme views that can be equally distasteful. I don't think that's an unfair comment whether you agree with it or not.

 

[Gerardo Vazquez]

Bob's taken the entire article out of context. Anybody with 5 minutes to spare can easily verify this.

Also is it just me or does Bob take every chance he can get at knocking off DC movies? I mean really, out of all the things Oldman said in the interview, he picks "Dark Knight movies were work" as the title? As if that was some kind of negative comment on the movies themselves? Christ, EVERY movie is "work".

Calling a movie "work" is like being asked to rate someone's cooking in one word, and using the phrase "edible". It's not an insult by any means, but it's likely you didn't think highly of the food/movie in question,

 

[Westaway]

Middle class Western children attending university can't deal with opinions that conflict with their prejudices. I'm a liberal Canadian and agree with pretty much everything the man had to say.

Political correctness is censorship of the very worst and insidious kind. I don't even know why people pretend Hollywood isn't more or less owned by Jewish people. All of the major companies are. It's important to understand that acknowledging an over-representation is not the same thing as saying there is a Jewish conspiracy or saying Jews have ruined Hollywood.

 

[The Material Sheep]

Middle class Western children attending university can't deal with opinions that conflict with their prejudices. I'm a liberal Canadian and agree with pretty much everything the man had to say.

Political correctness is censorship of the very worst and insidious kind. I don't even know why people pretend Hollywood isn't more or less owned by Jewish people. All of the major companies are. It's important to understand that acknowledging an over-representation is not the same thing as saying there is a Jewish conspiracy or saying Jews have ruined Hollywood.

I mean I don't know if there is a high number of Jewish people in Hollywood business. There very well could be as far as I know. Still saying it as bluntly as the town is run by jews, is kind of a meh way of phrasing that. I mean I'll cut him slack in that it's long interview and your bound to have a foot in your mouth moment occasionally, but it still doesn't make it any less of a him putting his foot in his mouth.

 

[Batou667]

He said "In a town run by Jews"

That doesn't fly no matter how you spin it

Challenge accepted!

"With its majority Israeli population and government headed by mayor Ron Huldai since 1998, Tel Aviv is a town run by Jews"

 

[Jennacide]

Hopefully this is a reminder that you can like a person for their job, but still dislike them for their opinions. Like Orson Scott Card, a pretty good science fiction writer, also a terrible human being.

 

[NoeL]

Yeah, really not impressed with the misrepresentation in this article. Taking a relatively innocuous interview and spinning it into a controversy for views is just... slimy. But I guess that's the way "news" is these days. You always have to check the source.

 

[gargantual]

I think everyone is taking a lot of what he said out of context (Bob included), because cherry-picking things someone said in an article framed by the context of a discussion of political correctness is bound to misrepresent the intent. Everyone needs to just chill a bit. Everyone.

"Everyone?"

It's like if Bob only used part of Patton Oswalt's twitter rants:
http://www.dailydot.com/lol/patton-oswalt-two-part-tweets/

Very true. But unfortunately that's what folks do here all the time. Cherry pick stuff to create bogeymen out of posters having a 'moment' or pick something to see red about. If the daily show sound-bites someone, they'll at least offer up what soundbit party was originally trying to say,(usually because the attempt, fosters more jokes) unless the statement is too maniacal and daft for any human to possibly salvage.

And one thing I don't get about being upset about Oldman's views on his movies. Its not like Kick Ass 2 where its stepping back when you're supposed to promote the film. He's brought on like a star athlete. You got him because he can put it down when he needs to, and he's passionate in acting. It won't color the way I look at any of his older works at all.

 

[Batou667]

I'm disappointed by the misleading and clickbaity nature of the original article - throw in some dog-whistle words like "politically correct" and "Jews" and watch the page views pour in - and also in the posters who so obviously formed their opinions based on third-hand hearsay instead of reading the actual interview (which itself was selectively edited). What happened to checking the sources, eh, my fellow free-thinkers?

 

[kurupt87]

He said "In a town run by Jews"

That doesn't fly no matter how you spin it

"I live in a town run by Jews."

There, done. The more interesting aspect is why you think it's inherently a bad thing. It's just a thing.

The article has only made me like Oldman more. The irony of it all being that the contentious parts of his interview were about him complaining about how the media crucifies a person for "speaking out", and he is now in the process of being crucified for doing so.

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MovieBob, whilst his insights into the Comic book world are interesting and informative, his opinions on the real world and social issues are absolute tripe. The man clearly has women on a pedestal and comes across, frankly, as a real world Tumblr SJW.

 

[josemlopes]

Bob's taken the entire article out of context. Anybody with 5 minutes to spare can easily verify this.

Also is it just me or does Bob take every chance he can get at knocking off DC movies? I mean really, out of all the things Oldman said in the interview, he picks "Dark Knight movies were work" as the title? As if that was some kind of negative comment on the movies themselves? Christ, EVERY movie is "work".

Calling a movie "work" is like being asked to rate someone's cooking in one word, and using the phrase "edible". It's not an insult by any means, but it's likely you didn't think highly of the food/movie in question,

Not true at all, even the fact that everyone involved in Blade Runner hated the damn thing doesnt make me like the product or the people involved less (Rutger Hauer loves it though).

People have tastes and actors are people too. Even I did a thread some time now where I was talking that of all my illustrations, the one that I like the least is the one that people seem to like the most.

 

[Westaway]

Middle class Western children attending university can't deal with opinions that conflict with their prejudices. I'm a liberal Canadian and agree with pretty much everything the man had to say.

Political correctness is censorship of the very worst and insidious kind. I don't even know why people pretend Hollywood isn't more or less owned by Jewish people. All of the major companies are. It's important to understand that acknowledging an over-representation is not the same thing as saying there is a Jewish conspiracy or saying Jews have ruined Hollywood.

I mean I don't know if there is a high number of Jewish people in Hollywood business. There very well could be as far as I know. Still saying it as bluntly as the town is run by jews, is kind of a meh way of phrasing that. I mean I'll cut him slack in that it's long interview and your bound to have a foot in your mouth moment occasionally, but it still doesn't make it any less of a him putting his foot in his mouth.

Not everyone cares enough about Cultural Marxism to sanitize everything they do or say. He said a factually correct statement in a way that will only offend those who are actually looking to be offended.

 

[Westaway]

Factually correct?Unless you got unbiased sources that say Jewish people control everything then it's nothing more than prejudiced paranoia.

And all this complaining about so called 'political correctness' is really tiresome.If someone wants to act like a hateful jerk then people will call them out on it.

For Heaven's sake. You hardly need "unbiased sources" to confirm something that's not even a secret. There are no Harvard studies being conducted on the ratio of Jewish to non Jewish Hollywood CEOs. Now, I'm not going to give the usual "just Google it" response, even I should. Right off the bat I can name Disney, Viacom and Sony Pictures/MGM. I don't think I should even need to say that I couldn't give a shit one way or the other regarding the whole thing. I'm anti-racist.

As for "political correctness", there's pretty much no defense. It went past "hateful jerks" a long time ago. This fellow wasn't being hateful in the least. He's stating a fact. He knows better than both of us who runs Hollywood seeing as he's been working there for a few dozen years. Not everyone who says an industry is run by Jewish people is anti-Semitic. This political correctness nonsense has evolved into institutionalized censorship.