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Vault101

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The Choke said:
I think what many of these uncomfortable straight people are discussing when they bring up homosexuality being in their face is their fear that their boundaries will not be respected. Coming from a lot of men, this is almost funny to me! But in a "welcome to my world where jerkwads play grabass at the bus stop, creeps constantly come up and ask me 'where is your husband, are you alone?' to the point where I keep one knife loose in the roll so I can whip it out if necessary when I'm going to and from work
[i/]oh youre afraid of gay men? hahaha oh silly straight guys, we deal with that all the time[/i]

but yeah its one of those funny/maddening double standards. There is an interesting theory that homophbia from straight males to gay males is a result of misogyny

[quote/]and some assholes like to respond to the information that I'm bi with propositions for threeways and saying they'd be cool with just watching me and my significant other during our most intimate lovemaking as though our sexual desire for each other was there simply to serve as jerk material for, well, a jerk."
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Bisexuality!(tm) as approved by hetero guys!

I was daydreaming about online dating (not that I'd ever do it anytime soon) and weather or not I would set my profile to "bi" but figured it would be more trouble than its worth

to a lot of people "Bi" doesn't seem to mean "attracted to both genders" so much as [i/]promiscuous/confused/kinky/prone to infidelity/exhibitionist/up for anything/seriously ANYTHING/a phase/experimenting/will leave you for a guy[/i]

when did it get so complicated?
 

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I'm fine with it and think that they should be treated as any other couple.

However, I still don't like the idea of gay marriage. Nothing against them and I'm not even religious but in the end Marriage is a religious practice and most religions do not agree with gay marriage.
Just as the religious people shouldn't be allowed to force their religion and beliefs onto others, gay couples shouldn't force what is against their beliefs onto them.
A legal agreement that gives you all the benefits of marriage? Sure. But go make your own religion if you want a traditional church wedding.
It just never sat well with me how gay couples could force their beliefs onto others as far as marriage goes with nobody batting an eye, but the church sticking to their beliefs and not even forcing others to stick to them is seen as cruel.
I personally think that being against gay people is pretty backwards, but not as backwards as forcing your ideals onto others, even it they are the popular ideals of the time.
But marriage as a institution in most western nations is legal matter, not religious. It takes a license signed by a civil servant that makes two people a couple with all the legal benefits; getting married by a pries without state approval isn't enough. Religions can't and won't be forced to change their beliefs because they don't have any impact on the topic, and there are those that do practice same-sex marriage anyway.
 

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NemotheElvenPanda said:
Trippy Turtle said:
I'm fine with it and think that they should be treated as any other couple.

However, I still don't like the idea of gay marriage. Nothing against them and I'm not even religious but in the end Marriage is a religious practice and most religions do not agree with gay marriage.
Just as the religious people shouldn't be allowed to force their religion and beliefs onto others, gay couples shouldn't force what is against their beliefs onto them.
A legal agreement that gives you all the benefits of marriage? Sure. But go make your own religion if you want a traditional church wedding.
It just never sat well with me how gay couples could force their beliefs onto others as far as marriage goes with nobody batting an eye, but the church sticking to their beliefs and not even forcing others to stick to them is seen as cruel.
I personally think that being against gay people is pretty backwards, but not as backwards as forcing your ideals onto others, even it they are the popular ideals of the time.
But marriage as a institution in most western nations is legal matter, not religious. It takes a license signed by a civil servant that makes two people a couple with all the legal benefits; getting married by a pries without state approval isn't enough. Religions can't and won't be forced to change their beliefs because they don't have any impact on the topic, and there are those that do practice same-sex marriage anyway.
I was talking purely marriage in the religious sense because its often debated over here at least. Makes all pro-gay people look bad when some person starts demanding christians or similar accept gay marriage in their churches.
 
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Believe it or not, gay people exist and are often shunned by society, and in many places aren't equal under the law. I fail to see anything wrong with discussing a topic that is relevant to the issues of society today.

I'd like to ask you why this thread's existance bothers you so much.
its because a lot of people [sub/](of a certain demographic *cough*)[/sub] operate under the assumption that things that appeal to or relate to "them" are the standard of "normal"

anything that deviates from "normal" is not important/irrelevant/should be put in its own little space so "normal" people don't have to think about it

its essentially "defaulting" and the source of a lot of stupid shit on the internet [sub/](like a certain movement *cough*)[/sub]
Oh, I know. I was asking a question I already knew the answer to in an attempt to prove a point. But that mindset you described is most definitely NOT just from one demographic or movement... not that you said it was, but oh boy I've met all different kinds of people who think like that.

EDIT: I just accidentally flagged my own post. Have mercy, moderators!
 

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Trippy Turtle said:
NemotheElvenPanda said:
Trippy Turtle said:
I'm fine with it and think that they should be treated as any other couple.

However, I still don't like the idea of gay marriage. Nothing against them and I'm not even religious but in the end Marriage is a religious practice and most religions do not agree with gay marriage.
Just as the religious people shouldn't be allowed to force their religion and beliefs onto others, gay couples shouldn't force what is against their beliefs onto them.
A legal agreement that gives you all the benefits of marriage? Sure. But go make your own religion if you want a traditional church wedding.
It just never sat well with me how gay couples could force their beliefs onto others as far as marriage goes with nobody batting an eye, but the church sticking to their beliefs and not even forcing others to stick to them is seen as cruel.
I personally think that being against gay people is pretty backwards, but not as backwards as forcing your ideals onto others, even it they are the popular ideals of the time.
But marriage as a institution in most western nations is legal matter, not religious. It takes a license signed by a civil servant that makes two people a couple with all the legal benefits; getting married by a pries without state approval isn't enough. Religions can't and won't be forced to change their beliefs because they don't have any impact on the topic, and there are those that do practice same-sex marriage anyway.
I was talking purely marriage in the religious sense because its often debated over here at least. Makes all pro-gay people look bad when some person starts demanding christians or similar accept gay marriage in their churches.
I've seen plenty of over zealous social justice types, but I have quite literally never seen nor heard anyone demand that churches be forced to perform same sex marriages. Not denying the existence of people with such opinions, I have seen people argue so many ridiculous things that I know there are definitely some people out there with this belief. But this just seems a strange thing to bring up.
 

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Homosexuality? I don't really care where people put their dicks or vaginas (as long as the parties are old enough and it's consensual).
 

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kingthrall said:
Not going to bother posting further to this comment, I got warned for no legit reason other than having an opinion. If calling someone daft is that offensive then its political correctness gone mad. Obviously no reason talking to leprechauns as im just following a never ending rainbow here. Whoever wants to ruin a debate obviously can not handle different opinions.
The irony of you posting "Rules are Rules" then saying this is... well, let's just call it amusing. Personal attacks are personal attacks, and distinctly outlined in the rules of this forum.

My take on the issue... it stops being a "matter of opinion" when you're pushing that opinion on others. I've not seen a single argument against gay marriage or relationships that doesn't fall back eventually on either "god said it" or "it makes me feel icky" (and most often it's the latter masquerading as the former). Neither of which is something you should base modern laws around.
Honestly you could call me a bigot, racist, homophobic ect. I honestly wouldn't care so long as you expect me to reply in the same manner and not cry about it like 12 year old children. Daft is not offensive considering the previous lecure on defintions agaist me, go look it up.

Secondly i'm not against gays, read my first post in case anyone who reads this is wondering. I just think holding a marriage in a church being performed by people who's beliefs are against it which may or not feel that it risks their souls (because its what they believe) should not be forced to perform said rites of marriage. That doesn't mean some sort of law contract can't be made out to say a couple is a legitimate union.
 

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kingthrall said:
JarinArenos said:
kingthrall said:
Not going to bother posting further to this comment, I got warned for no legit reason other than having an opinion. If calling someone daft is that offensive then its political correctness gone mad. Obviously no reason talking to leprechauns as im just following a never ending rainbow here. Whoever wants to ruin a debate obviously can not handle different opinions.
The irony of you posting "Rules are Rules" then saying this is... well, let's just call it amusing. Personal attacks are personal attacks, and distinctly outlined in the rules of this forum.

My take on the issue... it stops being a "matter of opinion" when you're pushing that opinion on others. I've not seen a single argument against gay marriage or relationships that doesn't fall back eventually on either "god said it" or "it makes me feel icky" (and most often it's the latter masquerading as the former). Neither of which is something you should base modern laws around.
Honestly you could call me a bigot, racist, homophobic ect. I honestly wouldn't care so long as you expect me to reply in the same manner and not cry about it like 12 year old children. Daft is not offensive considering the previous lecure on defintions agaist me, go look it up.

Secondly i'm not against gays, read my first post in case anyone who reads this is wondering. I just think holding a marriage in a church being performed by people who's beliefs are against it which may or not feel that it risks their souls (because its what they believe) should not be forced to perform said rites of marriage. That doesn't mean some sort of law contract can't be made out to say a couple is a legitimate union.
Not to nit pick but not all gays are against Christianity, there are even those who are Christians under what it is SUPPOSED to be and that's being Christ-like as opposed to following a mistranslated book that's debatable in it's actual age.
 

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I could be annoying here and point out that 'gay relationships' are also just 'relationships', but then again I am so incredibly gay that would be hypocritical of me.
 

The Choke

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Vault101 said:
to a lot of people "Bi" doesn't seem to mean "attracted to both genders" so much as [i/]promiscuous/confused/kinky/prone to infidelity/exhibitionist/up for anything/seriously ANYTHING/a phase/experimenting/will leave you for a guy[/i]

when did it get so complicated?
This is very true. Also, sometimes gay people like to tell me I need to "pick a side" or that I'm just faking. However, those are usually gay people who don't KNOW me. I've gotten a lot of flack from both sides, with assumptions made about me because of my sexuality by all sorts of people. (Seriously, you totally hit the nail on the head. Straight people assume I'm a horny sex-addict who keeps a plethora of lovers, and gay people assume I'm either faking or, more often, that I'm just scared to come out as a lesbian.) For a while, I thought about adopting one of the newer, more ambiguous terms, but I came out as bisexual when I was fifteen, and if the jerks with the pickup truck in high school didn't make me change my mind on that, then the snippy homosexual isn't going to either.

Though I'd say that there has been some great positive strides in representation made recently, especially this year, that have started some interesting discussions in both gay communities, and fan communities. Korrasami's bisexual women, including one who wasn't white (bigger deal than anybody realizes. I think the last time this happened was on The Wire.), building their relationship in a way that isn't overtly sexualized for straight male watchers- I'm looking at you, Joss Whedon and Willow and Tara- was a huge deal to me. And if Fitz turns out to be a bisexual male hero in Agents of SHIELD? Holy shit. I will dance in the streets.

It's weird, because bisexual men and bisexual women tend to get shoved into different camps. The women are generally assumed to be overly sexual, and their sexuality tends to be treated, usually by straight men from my experience, as something meant to titillate. Seriously, if a dude introduced his girlfriend to me and I started going, "oh my God, you're HET? That's SOOOO hot. I mean, what do you guys do in the bedroom? I bet you just get in there and POUND that. I bet you just WRECK it," I bet they'd get uncomfortable pretty fast.

Meanwhile, I've noticed that people tend to say that bisexual men are just horny losers who can't be picky because it's hard enough to get people to sleep with them. Such a weird shift. I get shamed for being sexual. They get shamed for not being sexual enough. A lot of bisexual men get treated as though they're just incapable of getting girls to sleep with them. I hate this treatment, but I think it's interesting how women and men tend to be shamed differently. Of course, both approaches apply to all genders, but from what I've noticed, guys tend to get the "you're just not man enough to get enough women," insults whereas girls get the, "you're just a slut who sleeps with too many people," insults.

Last, I noticed there are people in here who keep saying that churches should not be forced to perform gay marriages, to which I would say nobody is trying to force churches to perform gay marriages.

HOWEVER! Some christians and churches are trying to bully OTHER churches into not performing gay marriages. Despite what you might think, there are plenty of churches in my community that fly rainbow flags, or have an Ally triangle on their sign, and they find it offensive and troubling that people try to use their God as an excuse to be cruel. If a church doesn't want to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples, fine, don't. But don't try to hijack the legal definition of marriage and force Ally pastors who are acting as their personal relationship with God tells them to to follow YOUR reading of the scripture.

I know pastors of over forty years who get so sad every time someone tries to use them and their religion as an excuse to be homophobes because:

1. If we're not supposed to do what the bible says is bad then put down the shrimp and go stone your father for wearing fabric made of two different materials.

2. NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN, PASTOR, AND CHURCH COMMUNITY IS A BUNCH OF BIGOTED IDIOTS. All the pastors, Christians, and churches that I know of (not Christian myself, but there's several in town that fly the flag, and one in particular in town that always provides safe gathering space during protests, and they also do the end-of-the-day service during the Day of Silence where people choose not to speak for twenty-four hours to understand how difficult it can be for homosexuals who have been bullied into silence, and there's another that my friend is a pastor for.) are all PERFECTLY LOVELY PEOPLE. Not a one of them believes that gay people don't deserve the love and acceptance of their God, and not a one of them opposes gay marriage.

So, people who are saying that churches shouldn't be "forced" to perform gay marriage, they'd like to tell you that they don't want to be forced to be bigots just because the most vocal, annoying members of the flock think they should be. Stop using Christians as an excuse to oppose same-sex marriage. There are many who are all for it and they're tired of getting lumped in with the small-minded assholes.
 

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Trippy Turtle said:
I was talking purely marriage in the religious sense because its often debated over here at least. Makes all pro-gay people look bad when some person starts demanding christians or similar accept gay marriage in their churches.
Righto. But, many religious Churches want to carry out same-sex marriages, and wanted to even before legalisation-- Quakers and other moderate Christian Churches, among others.

If your consideration is for religious freedom, then surely the only rational position is to allow individual Churches (or other religious buildings) to choose for themselves, on an individual basis. When gay marriage is illegal, that isn't how it stands: those who want to perform the ceremony are forbade. That seems antithetical to religious freedom.
 

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Secondly i'm not against gays, read my first post in case anyone who reads this is wondering. I just think holding a marriage in a church being performed by people who's beliefs are against it which may or not feel that it risks their souls (because its what they believe) should not be forced to perform said rites of marriage. That doesn't mean some sort of law contract can't be made out to say a couple is a legitimate union.
Literally nobody has suggested a law forcing churches to perform weddings that they object to, and yet I keep hearing this brought up as an argument. I truly don't understand why.
 

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I've seen plenty of over zealous social justice types, but I have quite literally never seen nor heard anyone demand that churches be forced to perform same sex marriages. Not denying the existence of people with such opinions, I have seen people argue so many ridiculous things that I know there are definitely some people out there with this belief. But this just seems a strange thing to bring up.
Well, I have heard plenty of people arguing that churches should allow gay marriages, even that the priests should be required to... But the thing is, those people ARE members of those churches who have their faith and argue that their religion is in line with gay (or gender-neutral) marriage.

Religions have their own internal changes and debates, and why not?
This is also why even if there was a secular genderneutral marriage there will be people who will campaign for churches to perform these ceremonies, because (unsurprisingly) religious people disagree with these sort of things and there are non-heterosexual religious people.

(But there are people who like to pretend this is a matter of gays vs religion, for their own reasons...)
 

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Haven't read all the replies, but I'm more interested in the top/bottom relationship between gay partners.

Is mutual expected? Or is it more normal for there to be a top and a bottom?
 

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I've been realizing that whenever I take a stance on a social issue, I'm not really interested in equality or "social justice" rather than I'm more concerned about the reasoning behind people being against gay marriage or whatever(I have topics in mind, but I hate that I can't mention them anymore without it turning into the end of the world for the umpteenth time).

It saddens me when people take a stance on such backwards or even superstitious reasoning. People will come up with the craziest things, including conspiracies and what not, in order strengthen their stance on the issue.

So, yeah, I support gay marriage if only because there isn't a good reason not to.
 

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JarinArenos said:
kingthrall said:
Secondly i'm not against gays, read my first post in case anyone who reads this is wondering. I just think holding a marriage in a church being performed by people who's beliefs are against it which may or not feel that it risks their souls (because its what they believe) should not be forced to perform said rites of marriage. That doesn't mean some sort of law contract can't be made out to say a couple is a legitimate union.
Literally nobody has suggested a law forcing churches to perform weddings that they object to, and yet I keep hearing this brought up as an argument. I truly don't understand why.
um, well because if you are wanting to get married you probably going to try more than likely and do it in a traditional isle/building style.
 

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um, well because if you are wanting to get married you probably going to try more than likely and do it in a traditional isle/building style.
??? Most straight marriages I've been to have not been in a church??

And anyway, religious people disagree on these matters. I mean, some think women should not have the same rights as men do or work as ministers while some disagree, some think interracial couples or divorced people should not get married etc.

Churches change as the society around them changes, but as far as I'm concerned, that's the kind of thing that's their business.
But let's not pretend all religious people are straight.
 

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I guess my opinion would be that if it doesn't affect me in any way, why would I care? Its their business, not mine.

The fact that people care so much about what other people do in their personal lives, that literally has no effect on them personally, in my opinion, seems to be the biggest flaw in our culture. A flaw that permeates through almost every social issue, well that I can think of anyway. It revolves around the central premise that anyone has some kind of right that allows them to try and dictate to someone else how they should go about living their life. When can we stop, as a society, meddling in each others personal affairs?
 

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Personally, I am not too bothered. As long as both parties are happy, and are not deliberating hurting anybody, then they should be able to live in peace as far as I am concerned.
 

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As most have said, I feel they should have the same rights as straight people. While I'm not "gay" (I don't find men sexually attractive) I have wondered what the sex is like, so yeah, I'm a little curious there... Anyway.

Sampler said:
So we're pretty much all fine and dandy with homosexuality, but what about polygamy? How do people feel about someone's ability to have more than one true love and how would they feel if their significant other proposed the idea?
Fine with it. Have a friend who's parents are poly and that friend is bi and poly. Couldn't ask for a better friend. That being said...

I've left one for another (with about a month overlap that only one half was aware of) so evidently I don't have a problem with concurrency either
This is where I draw the line. That isn't poly, that's cheating on your partner. The whole idea of a poly relationship is that everyone knows about, and is ok with, their other having multiple partners. I think knowledge and trust is the difference between poly and cheating.