Gay Scene Cut From UK Torchwood
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Some people are just uncomfortable with homosexuality, big surprise.
Frankly this is crap TV (the fact that Starz has it, is proof enough for me). But this is the BBC we are talking about. They are heavily moderated programs, if they say a naked arse is out then I doubt it is because of Homosexuality.
Anyone that is 'offended' is being led by a shitty rag, the BBC is the most liberal media source we have.
Frankly this is crap TV (the fact that Starz has it, is proof enough for me). But this is the BBC we are talking about. They are heavily moderated programs, if they say a naked arse is out then I doubt it is because of Homosexuality.
Anyone that is 'offended' is being led by a shitty rag, the BBC is the most liberal media source we have.
I can see the point to a degree because the BBC has higher standards of responsibility as a public funded corporation, and is a very mainstream channel with a diverse audience. However, that's not really an excuse in this case, and probably won't help the increasingly vocal case that the BBC is becoming increasingly conservative (small case) and less daring in terms of its programming.TimeLord said:
Point. Missing it.Mandalore_15 said:
Most people don't want to watch 'Coast' or 'Restoration Home'. That doesn't mean the corporation cuts them. Previous Torchwood episodes have implied same-sex activity and frequent gay kissing, so no, it hasn't been taken off the air because most people aren't gay and therefore don't want to see 'gay stuff'. That's just you.
This is about removing scenes for fear of obscenity complaints, which is an entirely different thing.
There's a difference between pulling a show because the majority of the public don't want to watch it and pulling a scene from a show because you don't have the spine to defend it from homophobically motivated allegations of obscenity.
As for 'oh, it's only because it's a naked bum, nothing to do with the gay element.' Have you SEEN Torchwood?
Firstly, and more important..there are over 60 million people here..200 people is beyond the meaning of a vast minority..what is your point? I feel the defensive need to quote numbers of x people from y country who people z stupid thing in response.Dags90 said:
Secondly:
Please read this post.
Azrael the Cat said:Should note 2 major points:
1. The 3rd episode of Torchwood hasn't been screened yet in the USA (the article is wrong on that point). It gets screened 2 days from now in the US (9 days in the UK).
2. Numerous gay sex scenes have been shown on the BBC, including previous seasons of Torchwood. The BBC (like most western TV outside the US) is MUCH more liberal than US television when it comes to sex and nudity, though more likely to censor violence. The issue here is that Torchwood has been moved to an earlier timeslot than previous seasons. In the past, it has been a 'post-watershed' timeslot show, hence giving it a free reign with sex and nudity. The issue with sex isn't that it involves gay sex (gay characters/sex aren't even vaguely controversial on UK tv), but that it is before the watershed.
Britain basically runs a 2-tier system for tv ratings restrictions. If it is before the watershed timeslot for that day, it has to be family friendly - can still have gay characters and gay sexual innuendo (e.g. during Russel T Davies' stewardship of Doctor Who), but no explicit sexual nudity. If it is after the watershed, you can show pretty much whatever you like. Sometimes you get shows where the watershed falls in the middle, and you get a hilarious mid-show upscaling of sex and nudity.
The Torchwood issue has nothing to do with any general conservatism on UK TV - it's purely a timeslot issue.
In any event, contrary to what the article says the episode hasn't been screened yet.
Yeah I would say the same thing to be honest.Alucard788 said:
In fact i'd go so far as to say exactly the same thing if it was a heterosexual sex scene, I tend to watch TV with my family at around that time of night and I don't think i'll ever be comfortable watching a sex scene with my Mum or Dad.
That was for the sex bit, I don't have any issue with a bit of nudity to be honest, I know i've walked about naked before so I don't see any problem with a TV show or movie doing it since it's a pretty mundane thing to happen in life.
EDIT because I realised I kinda side-stepped the question:
One more thing, homosexuality is still very much a hot topic and we're bound to be getting people throwing in gay sex scenes just to create controversy and get people talking about the show or movie in question, it's pretty basic marketing and it works remarkably well; it's nothing to do with my personal views that I wrote that but simple fact.
Why are people focusing on the sexuality of the participants and trying to twist this into a anti-gay story?
The sexuality of the participants is irrelevant. The scene has been cut because it was deemed to explicit to be shown that soon after the watershed, regardless of the gender of the people involved.
A sex scene this explicit would have been cut if the people were both heterosexual and it was a woman's naked buttocks writing in ecstasy, or a heterosexual man's nude behind going up and down like a steamhammer as he ploughed his wife.
Considering the source is The Sun, a paper renown for misrepresenting the facts [http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/hygiene/home/article190130.ece], I think a lot of people are being trolled.
The sexuality of the participants is irrelevant. The scene has been cut because it was deemed to explicit to be shown that soon after the watershed, regardless of the gender of the people involved.
A sex scene this explicit would have been cut if the people were both heterosexual and it was a woman's naked buttocks writing in ecstasy, or a heterosexual man's nude behind going up and down like a steamhammer as he ploughed his wife.
Considering the source is The Sun, a paper renown for misrepresenting the facts [http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/hygiene/home/article190130.ece], I think a lot of people are being trolled.
hey it's their show, they can put in it what they want, i'm none too crazy about seeing John Barrowman's ass, curiously enought though, this is the second time we've been denied such footage, we were going to see jack's bum on the Gamestation in DW series 1
Wait, hang on, 'The Sun' wrote an article that made something seem worse than it was?!
Whatever next, scaremongering lunatic articles from the Daily Mai...oh...never mind.
Anyway, on topic, I don't see the big issue, the fact it's a gay scene is completely irrelevant if it's that raunchy as a straight one wouldn't get shown at that time either, it just gets pointed out to generate a little more righteous outrage from the readership...
Whatever next, scaremongering lunatic articles from the Daily Mai...oh...never mind.
Anyway, on topic, I don't see the big issue, the fact it's a gay scene is completely irrelevant if it's that raunchy as a straight one wouldn't get shown at that time either, it just gets pointed out to generate a little more righteous outrage from the readership...
this, i was pretty surprised to see it was being shown in the U.S. and having problems in the UK...Alucard788 said:
but then again..have you seen some of the special shows on HBO and cinemax/starz? there is LOADS of "mature" themes, so i'm not surprised in the slightest this is on tv in the U.S.
I wish the opening poster would change to say that it isn't the fact that the scene is gay...it's that sex and nudity isn't allowed before the watershed...
No actually, it wouldn't have. People wouldn't have been upset that gay sex in particular was showing in the almost-watershed (18+ stuff is only after 10pm) it's the fact that sex is being shown at all. Homosexuality has been shown on Torchwood before.Mr.Amakir said:
I highly doubt they're cutting the scene because of the "gay" content. Torchwood has done things like this in the past, and there's been no problem. I'd imagine it's due to the earlier showing time.
Spartacus Blood and sand. There are multiple gay scenes and people watch the show.
Look, it all comes down to this, the scene is too long or unnecessary, axe it. If not leave it.
Look, it all comes down to this, the scene is too long or unnecessary, axe it. If not leave it.
I'm sorry? Torchwood has some dark shit that you do not see in most of the shows that are on TV at late hours.
SPOILERZ
Main hero killing his own grandson?
Children abduction by the goverment?
Beheading a charred but still living human?
A race of parasitic "Alien" like insects put into human bodies for medical trials?
But OH NO ITS A GAY RELATIONSHIP! WE CANNOT HAVE THAT!
Besides somewhere in the second season it had Jack AND Yanto naked in a compromising pose.
SPOILERZ
Main hero killing his own grandson?
Children abduction by the goverment?
Beheading a charred but still living human?
A race of parasitic "Alien" like insects put into human bodies for medical trials?
But OH NO ITS A GAY RELATIONSHIP! WE CANNOT HAVE THAT!
Besides somewhere in the second season it had Jack AND Yanto naked in a compromising pose.
im sure they removed it for good reason, as i seem to remember a scene in another season showing him and a bloke going at it and it and that wasnt cut, so i doubt its some anti-gay thing ha, just sees it would be too explicit for such an early time, they will probably show it on one of the later repeats
