I have just come back to civilization and have been hit with the s**t storm that is the gender discussion on this site. This is my five pennies of thought.
1.I like the differences between gender.
Don't get me wrong. Equal job equals equal pay. All for that. No one should be paid less for the same work. But the way that it is presented is that Gender ROLES ARE A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.... I HOPE NOT. Are there unfortunate side effects to the current construct of role models? Hell yeah. I love being male. I like that I can behave like a Neanderthal from time to time. I actually used most of my teens and "adult" life realising that it is natural for me to like things that make my adrenaline pump. I also LOVE the female gender. Not to say I want a girl that never tries to get the upper hand I would love a girl that pushed my boundaries and gave me a fight for it. What I wouldn't like is a girl that tries to be "one of the boys". I don't mind a girl liking bungee jumping or paint ball. Hell that would be awesome, the thing is that a a tomboy might do "it" for me but a girl acting like a tomboy pisses me off. Act your age and act your gender. Most of all act you! We are different for a reason.
2. Women are being discriminated against. Yes in a multi-cooperate gender discrimination might occur but I think that one of the reasons that males of my age and younger (28) might react so strongly. is that most of the discrimination we have experienced was against the male gender. School was dictated by our female teachers. They decided how our social interactions, our way to work (study) and the way we should overall behave was supposed to be. It is not that women haven't been discriminated against. It is that we have never seen it. Even now where I am from there are more women than men getting "higher" education because the entire education system is more minded on the female gender than the male. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/ (Sorry for the dated survey If you find one more resent please post)
Could have done this much longer but it is a start.
EDIT: In the current gender discussion right now there is NO room right now for the opinion that there is a difference between male and female. And at the moment in IT is incredibly hurtful for the comparative discussion.
In my opinion.
EDIT 2: This have taught me a lot. Mostly to make a draft first and use A LOT of time on thinking the way that I write it. I didn't get my point through and apparantly pissed off a different group than I was trying to reach. In lack of a better word lets call this section the Q&A
1. No I am not trying to be offensive to the LGBT people my post where minded on a discussion on gender and not sexuality (If you could phrase it better please do there is no insult intended).
2. I do not despise tomboys. Hell most of my girlfriends have had a streak of tomboy. I am extremely annoyed by girls acting like tomboys. mainly to be one of the guys. Sorry it doesn't work. We are perfectly aware that you are a girl and that won't change. (going for tomboys as well) You hang out with boys a lot and like the same stuff ok. But please stop acting as if every thing we say or do is funny when we can clearly see that you hate it!
3. This was the point that I tried to get across but failed so miserably at. Please stop try to make people who like their gender and the stereotype there off look like the anti-christ. I hold the door for women and not so much for men. I expect a guy to do it for himself but would like to extend the curtesie for a girl. Why? Because she like it (most of the time). One of the main reasons that men act like "chauvenist pigs" is because an attractive female likes it. Most girls I know, no matter where they are from and their upbringing likes the guy to take initiative. They like the fact that he is protective because the find it sexy that he can protect them.
Do every girl think that no. But it is not a bad thing to want a well defined gender role. It is OK. STOP blame girls who like the "Backward gender roles" look like they are guilty of the oppression that was of the female sex.
4. Sorry but this will probably piss some of you off. WOMEN ARE HARDLY EVER DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. Not any more at least. Does differences exist? Yes. Are some of them bad for women yes. Have most of the girls of this Forum experienced it? probably no. Your parents and grant parents yes but girls in the age between lets say 2-35 have grown up in a society where women dictated the education and your spare time and it will be the same on the job because there are more women with a higher education than men (this is I admit heavily influenced by geography).
1.I like the differences between gender.
Don't get me wrong. Equal job equals equal pay. All for that. No one should be paid less for the same work. But the way that it is presented is that Gender ROLES ARE A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.... I HOPE NOT. Are there unfortunate side effects to the current construct of role models? Hell yeah. I love being male. I like that I can behave like a Neanderthal from time to time. I actually used most of my teens and "adult" life realising that it is natural for me to like things that make my adrenaline pump. I also LOVE the female gender. Not to say I want a girl that never tries to get the upper hand I would love a girl that pushed my boundaries and gave me a fight for it. What I wouldn't like is a girl that tries to be "one of the boys". I don't mind a girl liking bungee jumping or paint ball. Hell that would be awesome, the thing is that a a tomboy might do "it" for me but a girl acting like a tomboy pisses me off. Act your age and act your gender. Most of all act you! We are different for a reason.
2. Women are being discriminated against. Yes in a multi-cooperate gender discrimination might occur but I think that one of the reasons that males of my age and younger (28) might react so strongly. is that most of the discrimination we have experienced was against the male gender. School was dictated by our female teachers. They decided how our social interactions, our way to work (study) and the way we should overall behave was supposed to be. It is not that women haven't been discriminated against. It is that we have never seen it. Even now where I am from there are more women than men getting "higher" education because the entire education system is more minded on the female gender than the male. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/ (Sorry for the dated survey If you find one more resent please post)
Could have done this much longer but it is a start.
EDIT: In the current gender discussion right now there is NO room right now for the opinion that there is a difference between male and female. And at the moment in IT is incredibly hurtful for the comparative discussion.
In my opinion.
EDIT 2: This have taught me a lot. Mostly to make a draft first and use A LOT of time on thinking the way that I write it. I didn't get my point through and apparantly pissed off a different group than I was trying to reach. In lack of a better word lets call this section the Q&A
1. No I am not trying to be offensive to the LGBT people my post where minded on a discussion on gender and not sexuality (If you could phrase it better please do there is no insult intended).
2. I do not despise tomboys. Hell most of my girlfriends have had a streak of tomboy. I am extremely annoyed by girls acting like tomboys. mainly to be one of the guys. Sorry it doesn't work. We are perfectly aware that you are a girl and that won't change. (going for tomboys as well) You hang out with boys a lot and like the same stuff ok. But please stop acting as if every thing we say or do is funny when we can clearly see that you hate it!
3. This was the point that I tried to get across but failed so miserably at. Please stop try to make people who like their gender and the stereotype there off look like the anti-christ. I hold the door for women and not so much for men. I expect a guy to do it for himself but would like to extend the curtesie for a girl. Why? Because she like it (most of the time). One of the main reasons that men act like "chauvenist pigs" is because an attractive female likes it. Most girls I know, no matter where they are from and their upbringing likes the guy to take initiative. They like the fact that he is protective because the find it sexy that he can protect them.
Do every girl think that no. But it is not a bad thing to want a well defined gender role. It is OK. STOP blame girls who like the "Backward gender roles" look like they are guilty of the oppression that was of the female sex.
4. Sorry but this will probably piss some of you off. WOMEN ARE HARDLY EVER DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. Not any more at least. Does differences exist? Yes. Are some of them bad for women yes. Have most of the girls of this Forum experienced it? probably no. Your parents and grant parents yes but girls in the age between lets say 2-35 have grown up in a society where women dictated the education and your spare time and it will be the same on the job because there are more women with a higher education than men (this is I admit heavily influenced by geography).
