Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous

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Gasaraki

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Meh, I'm not going to take sides in this. On the one hand Gene Simmons had it coming, on the other hand Anon annoy the hell out of me.
All this "don't mess with anon" crap is stupid. If all they can do is Dos some sites than they're basically just some script kiddies.
 

Lord_Panzer

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Mr. Simmons said:
"Our legal team and the FBI have been on the case and we have found a few, shall we say 'adventurous' young people, who feel they are above the law. And, as stated in my MIPCOM speech, we will sue their pants off."


It actually surprises me how many people are taking this guys side on this. Sure Anon isn't exactly the hero The Internet wants, but it's certainly the one it deserves.
 

Nemesis729

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Im glad they're taking him down, Hes a huge pussy/sellout/total dick, Theres no way hes going to win this
 

Arcane Azmadi

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Legion said:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.
Amen. I'm sick of every half-cocked douchebag thinking they are, as Simmons put it, above the law just because they visit a stupid cesspool of a message board. And Anonymous should know full well that they're NOT really anonymous, the FBI keep an eye on them and CAN find them (it happened to a guy who joked about terror-bombing a sports stadium, they came and dragged him away). I hope Simmons can do a number on them- I think his attitude to music downloading is a bit extreme, but I'm frankly sick of Anonymous.
 

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This was something posted on 4chan about the topic, "We are not our IPs. We are not our Computers. We are not our fucking porn folders.
We are not real consumers, and we never watch commercials. We don't want to be rock gods, and movie stars because we know what shallow hollow fucked lives they truly have.
We do have a great depression. We do have a great war. It is the information war and our fight is the fight of trying to get the corporations dicks out of our ears. We want to get the movie business balls out of our eyes and not cringe when we see a ridiculous price tag for something that should be free.
Our enemies are people who live abnormal lifestyles due to the abnormal paychecks they receive for something they love. Loving art should not be condemnable, and rebellion has pushed history forward. Sometimes in darkness, sometimes in light, but whenever it's in the name of knowledge, it can never be toward the dark.
So fuck you Tyler Durden, Fuck you that guy from kiss with the tongue, fuck you MPA, fuck you labels, fuck you studios.
You do NOT have the right to fuck up lives because they wanted music and art. You do NOT have the right to fuck up lives because they did something when they didn't disagree, instead of just whining and being raped.
You CANNOT fuck up people when they DO NO HARM except delay your deluxe swimming pool filled with jello and sharks with lazers a few more months.
WHAT YOU DO, IS NOT WORTH WHAT YOU MAKE.
Michelangelo wasn't wealthy. Beethoven was poor. Mozart was poor. Leo Da Vinci was rich by birth not by his art.Most artists lived in poverty and they were gods who shaped the world.
YOU ARE NONE OF THESE YET YOU EXPECT TO LIVE BETTER THAN THEM.
We are not anon, because you know us. We're your fucking FANS. And we don't take kindly to your kind."

and i believe it 100%, gene Simmons cant win, even with the FBI with him he cant stop piracy only hinder it. this makes me proud to be anonymous
 

KeyMaster45

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This is going to be fun. Raise the shit-storm shields and pop some popcorn we're in for an interwebz fight of epic proportions.
 

ZodiacBraves

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Jzolr0708 said:
If they are that stupid to risk going to jail for that then that's their problem not his.
No, he's stupid for saying that over 10 million people should lose everything and get anally penetrated in a prison cell for stealing 99 cents.

In the US, there are laws about that. They're in place so that people don't get punished badly for small crimes. Just like a pickpocket shouldn't be executed, someone who downloads 99 cent music off the internet for free shouldn't go to jail for life.

How about, instead of arresting the guy who's buying pot, you arrest the goddamn idiot who is selling it worldwide. If Gene Simmons crack team of lawyers can track down every last Anon and get them V& off to jail then they should maybe spend less time doing pointless tasks and maybe spend more arresting the people who allow illegal downloads to happen.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. You are taking what he said out of context (along with a large number of other posters).

He stated at MIPcon about how you should protect your brands by saying "You have a fiduciary duty to your own butt to make sure you maximize any potential and minimize any exposure," followed almost immediately by the statement of how you should sue anybody who crosses that line. I watched the video linked in the OP and at this point he is making an exaggerated point that you should do anything to save your brand. He may have been too confrontational, but this was at MIPcon (an "event for co-producing, buying, selling, financing and distributing entertainment content," as Wikipedia states) and he was trying to impact the audience.

This was almost a full minute before his other inflammatory statement about suing college kids. First he had a story about a leaking boat (a decent analogy for making his point IMO), then leading into his sentiment on suing college kids, followed by another analogy. At no point did he make the connection that those kids should be sued for everything they have or be put jail for life. If you had a chance to ask Gene Simmons directly, I bet he wouldn't advocate suing college kids as drastically as you might be thinking.

Finally, he never made the connection that the people who download a .99 cent song should lose everything and get anally penetrated. Anon was enraged at his statements at MIPcon and took his site down, Gene Simmons became mad and fought right back. He posted an entirely separate response to Anon saying that the people caught would "find their little butts in jail, right next to someone who's been there for years and is looking for a new girl friend." The only real connection between his MIPcon speech and his retaliation statement is the fact that Anon attacked because of his speech, and his reference about suing their pants off for it (I would say that he probably feels he is "minimizing exposure" by fighting back with legal threats).

Without trying to insult or offend Andy Chalk (the OP), I feel this news post was semi-poorly constructed. The second paragraph makes it seem that the two separate (however related) statements are one argument. Along with that, the news post says "hundreds of people without jobs" instead of "hundreds of thousands" like Gene said (which I am aware is also misreported at the linked site, but stated in the video), which downplays his reasons for resorting to litigation.

Do I feel that Gene Simmons is in the right in his opinions? No. However, this gives no cause to anonymous to attack him for being defensive of his industry and not adapting quick enough.
 

Mr. Grey

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DazBurger said:
So Anonymous have moved away from fighting Scientology to bash people who believes that thief's should be punished.
With this plus the numerous death-threats made to people who disagree with them, im out.
No more protesting, afros nor pool-closing for me, this is just too much.

What happened too the wise words of The Wise Beard Man? Are they forgotten? Or just ignored?


Anyways, no more for me, Im sure I wont be missed.
Think of it this way...

Mr. Simmons is a hypocrite. His own son plagiarized quite a few mangas when he made his own, yet apparently he isn't calling for blood on his own -- well, blood. It essentially boils down to this scenario:
"All of them people that love my work, fuck them! How dare they steal something I created!? I don't care that most of them bought CDs and Tapes in my heyday, I don't care that they love me for reasons unknown, fuck them all for stealing something I'd only see a dime of anyways!

What's that? Nicky, you stole a bunch of other people's work to create your manga? I love you son, I really do."

So, really, Mr. Simmons is the bigger asshole here. Which means more room for the pushing that Anonymous will give him.

[sub]That last sentence regarding Anonymous using their phallus I am not proud of, but I couldn't resist it. It's a given when regarding Anonymous.[/sub]
 

Tdc2182

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Legion said:
"Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.
I hear this alot too, but I dont fear them. They just bug me. Because they want us to think we fear them. I will never gt past the little view in my head that they believe they are some secret cool little spy army, when all I see is a few antisocial losers.

They actually consider themselves a threat to America.

But I couldn't have said it better myself, whoever loses we win.
 

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brickz said:
This was something posted on 4chan about the topic, "We are not our IPs. We are not our Computers. We are not our fucking porn folders.
We are not real consumers, and we never watch commercials. We don't want to be rock gods, and movie stars because we know what shallow hollow fucked lives they truly have.
We do have a great depression. We do have a great war. It is the information war and our fight is the fight of trying to get the corporations dicks out of our ears. We want to get the movie business balls out of our eyes and not cringe when we see a ridiculous price tag for something that should be free.
Our enemies are people who live abnormal lifestyles due to the abnormal paychecks they receive for something they love. Loving art should not be condemnable, and rebellion has pushed history forward. Sometimes in darkness, sometimes in light, but whenever it's in the name of knowledge, it can never be toward the dark.
So fuck you Tyler Durden, Fuck you that guy from kiss with the tongue, fuck you MPA, fuck you labels, fuck you studios.
You do NOT have the right to fuck up lives because they wanted music and art. You do NOT have the right to fuck up lives because they did something when they didn't disagree, instead of just whining and being raped.
You CANNOT fuck up people when they DO NO HARM except delay your deluxe swimming pool filled with jello and sharks with lazers a few more months.
WHAT YOU DO, IS NOT WORTH WHAT YOU MAKE.
Michelangelo wasn't wealthy. Beethoven was poor. Mozart was poor. Leo Da Vinci was rich by birth not by his art.Most artists lived in poverty and they were gods who shaped the world.
YOU ARE NONE OF THESE YET YOU EXPECT TO LIVE BETTER THAN THEM.
We are not anon, because you know us. We're your fucking FANS. And we don't take kindly to your kind."

and i believe it 100%, gene Simmons cant win, even with the FBI with him he cant stop piracy only hinder it. this makes me proud to be anonymous
While I do think Anon can be a little excessive...there's something about that post that is nothing short of glorious.
 

mjc0961

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Gene Simmons is calling the cyber police and consequences will never be the same! =P

Honestly this should be interesting to say the least.
 

lordoftheLOL

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Tdc2182 said:
They actually consider themselves a threat to America.
actually, fox and bbc and everyone who declared them "internet terrorists" made them considered as threats. but, being 4chan, they took this as an opportunity to milk it dry.
 

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Lord_Panzer said:
Mr. Simmons said:
"Our legal team and the FBI have been on the case and we have found a few, shall we say 'adventurous' young people, who feel they are above the law. And, as stated in my MIPCOM speech, we will sue their pants off."


It actually surprises me how many people are taking this guys side on this. Sure Anon isn't exactly the hero The Internet wants, but it's certainly the one it deserves.
Don't ever consider or even hint at considering them heroes. They are kids who think they are above the law because they can use a computer. They promote trolling and give death threats to people they don't like because they hide behind a proxy. They said themselves that they laugh at peoples death and genocide. Call them what they really are:

Computer geeks with a bad experience at High School and to many batman fantasies.
 

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Arec Balrin said:
Legion said:
Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.
You name makes this ironic.
Ditto.

But, really, the last person I remember that messed with 4chan was Tom Green, and look where he is.
 

Cat Cloud

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He's not treating them as "Anonymous" but as individuals. Things will get interesting when Anonymous is no longer anonymous, even if it's only parts of it.
 

Raziel Paragorne

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Personally I wish anonymous well in this.
Gene sounds like a media-attention glutton and if his greatest reassurance is that some "adventurous kids" have been tagged by the FBI I think he's fooling himself.

I may not agree with all of Anonymous goals but they were on our side during the "Conroy wants to filter the internet" fiasco and I'm glad to see there are still people willing to fight for what they believe in...even if that fight is from behind a wall of proxies scattered throughout the cloud with numerous bots cleaning up access records in their wake.
 

e.wlmo4

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If you actually sued everyone who downloaded a song illegally you would clog up the legal system for years and all of the murderers and rapists would walk free for years just waiting for their trial.

What sounds better.