Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous
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That's the thing, though. He's not lost anything except potential sales. The $99000 wasn't there at all, but the potential was.Puddle Jumper said:
I don't think I'm truly on anyone's side here, but I'm slightly behind Anonymous on this. I'm not advocating piracy, I'm quite strongly against it, but what Gene said was really out of line. No one deserves to be raped in jail, and to think it's a fitting punishment is insanity. Fine 'em a small fee ($100 per song, perhaps?) or something similar, but jail time and physical/mental harm is ludicrous.
Soylent Bacon said:
then if thats the case it apply s to illegaly hosted tv shows on other sites, as there is no difference.
Just because its streamed doesnt make it legal, you are not paying to listen to there music and therefore are removing potential revenue from them by using youtube, sure some artists host music themselves witch is there's and that is legal (but the amount whitch isnt hosted by the artists themselves is huge), and youtube is doing that themselves the muting and the removing to try and appease copyright holders, it is working for now, just wait for them to get greedy enough though.
oh and yes streamed files are stored on your computer in case you didn't know.
This is actually broken logic and far from the reality, but it is how most artist think when they do decide to go after pirating websites. A lot of people who pirate one song, would not have bought the album or the song, some people wouldn't have even bothered to try out said song because it would cost them money on something that they don't normally listen too.Puddle Jumper said:
Your Avid Kiss Fan probably pirated the album and bought it anyways, simply for the cover art or to use the CDs as decoration.
When you couldn't download songs off the internet so easily people were buying it off the streets at a 1/3 of the price.
The music industry and for that matter the majority of the Video Game industry hasn't figured out how to deal with pirating. Those that have; learned not to fight piracy but rather find a way to give bonuses and incentives to those that don't pirate.
By all means specify how this is "ass-backwards" and "ignorant". Its breaking the law and he's going after people who do it. This hardly makes sense unless you're an anarchist, but I suppose in that case your arguement makes an equal ammount of sense...JoshTheater said:
This would be true if people who downloaded music only ever downloaded one song....ever. As opposed to several hundred, or in the cases of some, several thousand, which is much more likely an event.JeanLuc761 said:
I hope they kill that old fart. He is an asshole and KISS got old a looooooong time ago. But I'm all against downloading though.
I'm sure they're all so scared. Its a bit hard to bring one law suit against... how many people?Andy Chalk said:
I love the fact that they redirected genesimmon's website to piratebay, that's just salt in the wound.
Oh and if anonymous isn't scared to pick on governments/countries what makes Simmons think that they're going to take his threats seriously.
I forgot about that. To be honest I'm against illegal downloading of music/games, but at the same time i believe that price gouging can justify it, as it really is another form of theft.JourneyThroughHell said:
Ahhh, and how do you expect the government to track down hundreds, perhaps thousands of participants from everywhere? It's not like they're sitting in a secret club house somewhere. Also they use distributed denial of service attack, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_denial-of-service#Distributed_attack (under distributed attack) more then a little hard to track down a single guilty party.lee1287 said:
Setsuri21 said:
He was going to blow up Parliment. They are using the "V for Vendetta" Guy Fawkes masks which ties in similar political ideas.
I feel it is a very exciting concept and will be remembered as such. I just hope that it never gets to a point where any western goverment tries further to control the Internet and filter it.
That could get ugly, what if the western governments do try filtering the internet, we'll end up in a situation like china where a lot of stuff is censored or banned.Svenparty said:
AwayFromKeyboard said:
Yup. I just hope Anonymous doesn't target powerful people who aren't dwindling clown sellouts.
Although I think it'll be a lot like musical artists opposing Piracy/Drugs(irony)/The threat of the now. They may be influencial and rich but I don't see any of these "issues" ending soon:
It'll just be fun when souless morons like Gene Simmons release a series of black and white photographs of himself staring deep into your soul like an even more demented Tommy Wiseau.
Well it's fairly well known that instead of simply overthrowing a twisted government, he was in fact trying to instate his own (I think).Setsuri21 said:
But the masks don't represent that, they represent uprising, and demonstration of the dislike of a current system/society. It's easily recognisable, anyone can buy one, and it goes well with a suit.
..ironically, the RIAA employs cracker-teams to break into internet sites. This is everything from directed attacks to obtain records and contact information illegally, to sheer random sabotage. These groups also have, on more than one occasion, ended up threatening ISPs with suspension notices that have no legal weight, in an attempt to make any possibly illegal activity the ISPs responsibility.BigEaZyE said:
So yes, Simmons - the record companies have been busy not bringing these cases to court. You know why that is? It's because they will lose their cases. As frequently the cases present views of ownership over customer actions and property - they overreach so heavily that no court can possibly accept it.
While I sympathize with the cause - the truth is that if the record labels had their way, they would sell music to be listened to in one-shot player format. In the way that after you had listened to it once, it would burst into flames (which would be cool, but not very practical).
But that battle, mr. Simmons, is lost. Music is available now on iTunes without DRM, for a cheaper price. Transferable to your player and your phone. Spotify can multicast your music to various devices based on a subscription fee. Zunes have a similar setup.
And there's nothing you can do about me enjoying your music without jumping through hoops, and paying more than it's worth for it. I do apologize of course, for this tremendous disservice to your record label and it's profits. As no doubt the record labels will screw their artists over, and exploit them for crazy stunts that harm the record labels that still are stuck in the 90's and give them even more bad PR.
Still - as a customer, I have won. We now have the services we want at a reasonable price point. So support those services, instead of supporting, indirectly, the illegal actions that RIAA and IFPI does as a matter of fact sponsor, with large amounts of money, to bully random people, and cost them money in lost revenue and operation times.
Yes of course, there are a lot of those. But they grew up, and most of them actually got jobs too. And while I am sure there are a lot of lazy scumbags among anonymous I am also sure there are a lot of very intelligent people who might even decide the direction of their respective countries one day. Thats the point, we all grow up, hippies and anonymous alike.Space Jawa said:
Even if the hippie movement was a bunch of stoners, they also protested what they didnt like. They were engaged in society, and cared about the direction it was taking. Anonymous are in some respects the same, they just represent a different era. I find the thought of reading about anonymous as a cultural phenomenon 50 years from now intriguing
