Genndy Tartakovsky is my favorite cartoonist of all time.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Okay. My favorite cartoonist of all time is Hayao Miyazaki. Seeing as everyone has moved onto digital animation and CG for feature films and the rest is low budget TV stuff, he will never be surpassed.

I did love Dexter's Lab when I was younger, though. Haven't watched it in over a decade.

Did you ever watch the Star Wars Clone Wars 2003 Mini Seires?


Genndy did the Star Wars Prequals better than the actual prequals.

I watch it way back when it was still new. I just decided to watch the whole thing, though I'm not sure if I'll finish it. One and half minutes in and already Yoda is on horseback wielding a lightsaber (which was always a mistake) and Obi-Wan and Anakin drop five stories from a transport. Bullshit.

Yoda in this used the power of the force to bring down whole ships without the use of a lightsabre.

Mace Windu did not need it aswell.

So? Kit Fisto just cut a ship straight down the middle in two with his saber. This show is even more ridiculous than the prequel movies. And it's boring so far. Just battles without characterization. This isn't what Star Wars is about.

The reason is because it a compilation of animated shorts that were played at the same time as commercials.

And the whole idea of it is basically showing the Clone Wars because in the Prequals they only show the beginning of it and the end of it. This is the in-between. And they later add characteriztion with the second half.

Oh man Mace Windu's part was the epitome of ridiculous. And it was fun.

Its fun for its ridiculousness.

 

[hermes]

Ehh... I could understand if it was current cartoonist, he is one of the greatest working on western animation. I would have preferred someone from the east, like Miyasaki, Watanabe or even Natsume. But if we are going to talk "my favorite of all time", there are few answers that felt more right:

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[Kolby Jack]

Okay. My favorite cartoonist of all time is Hayao Miyazaki. Seeing as everyone has moved onto digital animation and CG for feature films and the rest is low budget TV stuff, he will never be surpassed.

I did love Dexter's Lab when I was younger, though. Haven't watched it in over a decade.

Did you ever watch the Star Wars Clone Wars 2003 Mini Seires?


Genndy did the Star Wars Prequals better than the actual prequals.

I watch it way back when it was still new. I just decided to watch the whole thing, though I'm not sure if I'll finish it. One and half minutes in and already Yoda is on horseback wielding a lightsaber (which was always a mistake) and Obi-Wan and Anakin drop five stories from a transport. Bullshit.

Yoda in this used the power of the force to bring down whole ships without the use of a lightsabre.

Mace Windu did not need it aswell.

If you think those are points in Clone Wars' favor, I respectfully disagree. I'm glad stuff like that is not canon, it vastly overpowers the Force and removes all subtlety from it. It's good animation, but bad Star Wars.

I like Tartakovsky too, in fact I used to call him my favorite animator at one point. However he has a very distinct, recognizable style that... it doesn't always work. He especially tends to overuse silence. I know silence is practically a lost art these days, but GT takes it in the complete opposite direction and makes several scenes way more boring and lifeless than they should be.

I still respect his work, but he's not flawless. Definitely looking forward to the new Samurai Jack though.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I'm surprised you like Tartaovsky so much because you seem to hat everything that's bright and colorful and cartoony.

I had a childhood you know. But though I cherish the cartoons I did grew up with and would still watch them, I am not gonna go out of my way to watch Kids Cartoon movies in this day and age now. Especially when these new movies feels like regurgitations what I already seen as a kid.

There's plenty of good animated movies that have come out in recent years. Moana, Kubo and the Two Strings, Inside Out, ParaNorman, The Lego Movie, Big Hero 6, How to Train Your Dragon 1 and 2, The Peanuts Movie, Zootopia, The Kung Fu Panda series, etc etc.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Okay. My favorite cartoonist of all time is Hayao Miyazaki. Seeing as everyone has moved onto digital animation and CG for feature films and the rest is low budget TV stuff, he will never be surpassed.

I did love Dexter's Lab when I was younger, though. Haven't watched it in over a decade.

Did you ever watch the Star Wars Clone Wars 2003 Mini Seires?


Genndy did the Star Wars Prequals better than the actual prequals.

I watch it way back when it was still new. I just decided to watch the whole thing, though I'm not sure if I'll finish it. One and half minutes in and already Yoda is on horseback wielding a lightsaber (which was always a mistake) and Obi-Wan and Anakin drop five stories from a transport. Bullshit.

Yoda in this used the power of the force to bring down whole ships without the use of a lightsabre.

Mace Windu did not need it aswell.

If you think those are points in Clone Wars' favor, I respectfully disagree. I'm glad stuff like that is not canon, it vastly overpowers the Force and removes all subtlety from it. It's good animation, but bad Star Wars.

I like Tartakovsky too, in fact I used to call him my favorite animator at one point. However he has a very distinct, recognizable style that... it doesn't always work. He especially tends to overuse silence. I know silence is practically a lost art these days, but GT takes it in the complete opposite direction and makes several scenes way more boring and lifeless than they should be.

I still respect his work, but he's not flawless. Definitely looking forward to the new Samurai Jack though.

1. To be fair at the time the Force has been increased to OP levels of ridiculousness, I mean remember Star Wars The Force Unleashed? Jedis back than were practically Comic Book Superman levels of powerful and Matrix level of Martial skill.

The idea of that was showing a Jedi in his Prime as Lucas said. Apperently Jedis can singlehandedly take down whole armies.

2. The Silence for you mabye boring but it enhances immersion, the ambient music and nature sound effects like wind blowing through grass and leaves and Rain splashing on things. Its all about build up and tension that ends up paying off satisfactorily.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm surprised you like Tartaovsky so much because you seem to hat everything that's bright and colorful and cartoony.

I had a childhood you know. But though I cherish the cartoons I did grew up with and would still watch them, I am not gonna go out of my way to watch Kids Cartoon movies in this day and age now. Especially when these new movies feels like regurgitations what I already seen as a kid.

There's plenty of good animated movies that have come out in recent years. Moana, Kubo and the Two Strings, Inside Out, ParaNorman, The Lego Movie, Big Hero 6, How to Train Your Dragon 1 and 2, The Peanuts Movie, Zootopia, The Kung Fu Panda series, etc etc.

Moana: Bland in my eyes.

Kubo: eh needs something more to make it interesting.

Inside Out: Exactly what I would expect from a Pixar movie.

ParaNorman: Monster House was better.

The Lego Movie: Seen it with my niece, typical kids movie with cringefest dramatic moments.

The Peanuts Moive: Might see it if it holds true to the older series.

How to Train Your Dragon movies: I'll wait until the third movie comes out.

Zootopia: Furry cancer.

Kung Fu Panda: Only seen the first, eh it was alright but nothing special, especially the wasted casting of Jackie Chan.


The only kids movie I would pay to see in theaters right now is Wreck it Ralph 2, if that movie has Mario as a full-fledged character and not a glorifyed cameo

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Okay. My favorite cartoonist of all time is Hayao Miyazaki. Seeing as everyone has moved onto digital animation and CG for feature films and the rest is low budget TV stuff, he will never be surpassed.

I did love Dexter's Lab when I was younger, though. Haven't watched it in over a decade.

Did you ever watch the Star Wars Clone Wars 2003 Mini Seires?


Genndy did the Star Wars Prequals better than the actual prequals.

I watch it way back when it was still new. I just decided to watch the whole thing, though I'm not sure if I'll finish it. One and half minutes in and already Yoda is on horseback wielding a lightsaber (which was always a mistake) and Obi-Wan and Anakin drop five stories from a transport. Bullshit.

Yoda in this used the power of the force to bring down whole ships without the use of a lightsabre.

Mace Windu did not need it aswell.

If you think those are points in Clone Wars' favor, I respectfully disagree. I'm glad stuff like that is not canon, it vastly overpowers the Force and removes all subtlety from it. It's good animation, but bad Star Wars.

I like Tartakovsky too, in fact I used to call him my favorite animator at one point. However he has a very distinct, recognizable style that... it doesn't always work. He especially tends to overuse silence. I know silence is practically a lost art these days, but GT takes it in the complete opposite direction and makes several scenes way more boring and lifeless than they should be.

I still respect his work, but he's not flawless. Definitely looking forward to the new Samurai Jack though.

1. To be fair at the time the Force has been increased to OP levels of ridiculousness, I mean remember Star Wars The Force Unleashed? Jedis back than were practically Comic Book Superman levels of powerful and Matrix level of Martial skill.

The idea of that was showing a Jedi in his Prime as Lucas said. Apperently Jedis can singlehandedly take down whole armies.

2. The Silence for you mabye boring but it enhances immersion, the ambient music and nature sound effects like wind blowing through grass and leaves and Rain splashing on things. Its all about build up and tension that ends up paying off satisfactorily.

That doesn't excuse it. And what the Jedi do in Lucas' prequels is still restrained to the bullshit in Clone Wars and the expanded universe. This is why I don't take the expanded universe seriously. Force users pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky, slicing ships in two and (Thrawn) controlling whole armies.

I agree with Kolby. The Clone Wars uses silence in a boring way. If you want an example of how to do it right, watch the dollars trilogy or the good Mad Max movies. Clone Wars, of the twenty-five minutes I rewatched, is mostly just battles with dull characters.

1. I am not saying it as an excuse, I am saying its a product of its era.

2. Did you watch the General Grevious part? Or when Anakin visted this ice planet? And boring characters? As if the charcaters from The Force Awakens and Rogue One were BRIMMING with a memorable personality

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Also Post me a video of a dollar trilogy movie or old mad max movie proving that they utilized slience better?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And lastly the Clone Wars Vol. 1 is just nothing but battles and litte to plot.

Its the second half Vol.2 from Chapters 21 to 25 is where they actually developed a more cohesive narretive. And more character interaction and dialoge. If you want that skip the rest and move to the last 5 chapters

Vol 1. Contain around 1 to 5 min shorts.

Vol 2. Expanded it to 15 min I think.

 

[happyninja42]

*nevermind*

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

*nevermind*

But all this Star Wars talk made me realize 2 things.

1. Star Wars NEEDS a Reboot, the expanded universe while having good things, is just abysmmal in consistancy. Yoda should never use a Lightsabre they say, I debate this, was that intentional? What makes you think he never used one in his time as a Jedi Master in the past? Especially the idea that he may have been an apprentice? But regardless a Reboot would fix that by having him shown to never have used a Lightsabre in his entire life and only is a Jedi through the Force. Heck Pretty much Reboot the Oriignal Trilogy aswell, I don't care how sacred people hold the Original Movies in their hearts, Its already been tarnished with the Special Editions.

2. Or Star Wars should never have passed beyond the very first movie, it should have been a standalone, but Nerds just diluted it with more and more ridicously bullcrap like remember the comic where Darth Vader fought a revitalized Darth Maul?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Did you watch the General Grevious part? Or when Anakin visted this ice planet?

Not since I was a teenager. I thought it was cool back then.

Also Post me a video of a dollar trilogy movie or old mad max movie proving that they utilized slience better?

I should look up and show you a scene out of context? What's the point? I've actually only seen Mad Max 2 and Fury Road. I like MM2 and love Fury Road, but I know you hate it. I think it's a great example of visual minimalist storytelling. I've seen it five times now. It looks gorgeous in 4K, with the more exuberant colors.

*nevermind*

But all this Star Wars talk made me realize 2 things.

1. Star Wars NEEDS a Reboot, the expanded universe while having good things, is just abysmmal in consistancy. Yoda should never use a Lightsabre they say, I debate this, was that intentional? What makes you think he never used one in his time as a Jedi Master in the past? Especially the idea that he may have been an apprentice? But regardless a Reboot would fix that by having him shown to never have used a Lightsabre in his entire life and only is a Jedi through the Force.

2. Or Star Wars should never have passed beyond the very first movie, it should have been a standalone, but Nerds just diluted it with more and more ridicously bullcrap like remember the comic where Darth Vader fought a revitalized Darth Maul?

1. Yoda and Sidious are powerful wizards. Powerful wizards don't need swords. Yoda's spiritual speech and him being much more powerful than his little size suggests is partly ruined by him wielding a saber. He's is slow and tired in Empire Strikes Back and doesn't look like he used a swordfighter in the last hundred years. The Force made up for his lacking physicality.

2. It's fine if you don't like Star Wars, but don't pretend to know what's best for the franchise. End it after the first movie?! You're crazy. George Lucas' original script was too big for a single movie, which is why he cut it in three. Empire Strikes Back is one of the greatest fantasy movies ever made. The Force Awakens was alright. It didn't meet my expectations, but it's serviceable. I'm looking forward to the sequel. Star Wars doesn't need to be rebooted. The galaxy is big enough that anyone can tell the story they want. They can even set their story in another age of that universe.

And lastly the Clone Wars Vol. 1 is just nothing but battles and litte to plot.

Its the second half Vol.2 from Chapters 21 to 25 is where they actually developed a more cohesive narretive. And more character interaction and dialoge. If you want that skip the rest and move to the last 5 chapters

Vol 1. Contain around 1 to 5 min shorts.

Vol 2. Expanded it to 15 min I think.

I have to half the series before it might get interesting? Wow.

1. Hence why I wish for there to be a proper built from the ground up reboot, because I like Star Wars, I like A New Hope more than Empire Strikes Back mind you. But if people wants this to be a big large universe, it needs to be fixed and rebooted to make it consistant. And get rid of the utterly silly things like Darth Vader vs Darth Maul clone.

2. Clone Wars part: Again as I said this whole thing was pitched as a compilation of mini movies seperate by 25 chapters. The First 20 Chapters had five minutes in each chapter and all the stories were mostly stand-alone from each other with the exception of Anakin vs Asajj Ventress but the point was to show what the Clone Wars were like in all aspects. In the format on TV where it plays after a TV show ends it works, but watching all of them play out at once as if it was a seamless movie with a coherent plot? Of course its not gonna work as a coherent movie.

But the last 5 chapters which is part of Vol. 2 was made to be more story driven and actually connect directly to Star Wars Episode 3. The ending of the 2003 Clone Wars was showing Anakin and Obi-Wan getting ready to board their ships for the Space Battle that Revenge of the Sith opened with.

 

[happyninja42]

*nevermind*

But all this Star Wars talk made me realize 2 things.

1. Star Wars NEEDS a Reboot, the expanded universe while having good things, is just abysmmal in consistancy. Yoda should never use a Lightsabre they say, I debate this, was that intentional? What makes you think he never used one in his time as a Jedi Master in the past? Especially the idea that he may have been an apprentice? But regardless a Reboot would fix that by having him shown to never have used a Lightsabre in his entire life and only is a Jedi through the Force. Heck Pretty much Reboot the Oriignal Trilogy aswell, I don't care how sacred people hold the Original Movies in their hearts, Its already been tarnished with the Special Editions.

I'm assuming you are using the "plural" you in your quoting of my nevermind comment, seeing as I made no mention of Yoda and him using a lightsaber at all.

I personally have no issue with Yoda using a lightsaber, and in fact, I enjoyed that scene quite a bit in the movie. People complain that he's just hopping around not hitting anything, but that's hardly unique to that one fight. ALL of the saber fights in the prequel were overly-choreographed, and thus looked unrealistic. But the idea, that a little guy like Yoda, would fight in a whirling dirvish type style was cool to me, and I enjoy it.

As to the EU stuff, I personally think all of it is shit, and don't pay it any attention. It isn't part of the canon, except in bits that are approved, so it doesn't actually matter how shitty and messy it is, it's all basically just published fan fiction at this point. None of it actually deters from the quality of the original material. As to the special editions, it's really not that bad. I don't really understand the mindset that people can't simply disregard the bits that were changed that annoy them, and simply enjoy the original material in their hearts. It's just an edit.

2. Or Star Wars should never have passed beyond the very first movie, it should have been a standalone, but Nerds just diluted it with more and more ridicously bullcrap like remember the comic where Darth Vader fought a revitalized Darth Maul?

Again, you are talking about EU fanfiction stuff, which is entirely separate from the original movies. So it doesn't matter. It's like being mad that someone wrote a horrible Harry Potter slash/fic, and stating that because that story exists, the movies/books now suck.

1. Yoda and Sidious are powerful wizards. Powerful wizards don't need swords. Yoda's spiritual speech and him being much more powerful than his little size suggests is partly ruined by him wielding a saber. He is slow and tired in Empire Strikes Back and doesn't look like he used a saber in the last hundred years. The Force made up for his lacking physicality.

I'm sorry but I believe Gandalf, the poster boy for "Wizard" would have some words regarding the "Powerful wizards don't need swords" comment.

As to his true power being in wielding the Force, I agree, but the lore and mythos of the Jedi is deeply rooted in the lightsaber. It's heavily implied in all of the actual canon material, that you don't become a Jedi until you have crafted your own saber, and are proficient in it's use. Now your own personal talents might lean more towards cerebral endeavors, but that doesn't mean you don't know at least how to fight and defend yourself. It's a dangerous galaxy for the Jedi, and sometimes, they might be the only person standing between the innocent, and the Dark Side. As to his physicality, yeah, he is old, so using the saber isn't as easy as it once was. But the Force enhances the physicality of people who use it, so I don't see why it can't take someone who is elderly, back to their peek, and thus able to fight with a saber. Whether or not it was logical for him to bother with the fight, I will agree, but the fight did happen, so we can't really say it didn't. I would've much preferred them to do a Force power fight, but that didn't happen so...*shrugs*.

 

[McMarbles]

Spoiler: Powerpuff Girls

That was actually Craig McCracken (also responsible for Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and the underrated and gone-too-soon Wander Over Yonder). But yeah.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler: Powerpuff Girls

That was actually Craig McCracken (also responsible for Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and the underrated and gone-too-soon Wander Over Yonder). But yeah.

Its because Wander Over Yonder just looks...boring, it feels like a Filler show inbetween more interesting shows. And the character designs don't certainly look original or compelling and memorable. Like the main character would look no different from a background character in 90s cartoons.

 

[happyninja42]

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*shrugs* I dunno, I just don't really give a shit about minor things like an added background asset, which is what most of those addons are. A droid that floats behind a picture, or a herd animal in the background, to point to the examples you posted. I just don't care. That doesn't pull me out of the story, I barely pay that shit any attention, as it's background stuff for atmosphere. Now stuff like the dance number in Jaba's palace, and entire new scene that was bad, yes, I will agree that was a bad addition, but it still doesn't bother me as a whole. It's one shit scene in an otherwise good movie that I love. The scenes over and I'm done with it. Apparently everyone else is too busy still being mad about a scene that's no longer in front of them to enjoy what else is going on.

I mean, I am a fan of the original movies, and would prefer to have them without the added material. But since most of it (from what I can remember, it's been a while since I've watched the OT), is little background inserts, or transition scenes with more details, I just, personally, don't care, and don't see what the problem is for others.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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*shrugs* I dunno, I just don't really give a shit about minor things like an added background asset, which is what most of those addons are. A droid that floats behind a picture, or a herd animal in the background, to point to the examples you posted. I just don't care. That doesn't pull me out of the story, I barely pay that shit any attention, as it's background stuff for atmosphere. Now stuff like the dance number in Jaba's palace, and entire new scene that was bad, yes, I will agree that was a bad addition, but it still doesn't bother me as a whole. It's one shit scene in an otherwise good movie that I love. The scenes over and I'm done with it. Apparently everyone else is too busy still being mad about a scene that's no longer in front of them to enjoy what else is going on.

I mean, I am a fan of the original movies, and would prefer to have them without the added material. But since most of it (from what I can remember, it's been a while since I've watched the OT), is little background inserts, or transition scenes with more details, I just, personally, don't care, and don't see what the problem is for others.

Can I just say that out of all the things people criticized about the Special Editions, the Color Palette is by far the most nitpicky thing I have ever witnessed, it is entirely based on preference and not a fundamental flaw of the movie.