GeoHot and Sony Settle PS3 Jailbreak Case

[moppop]

I want you money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

Can you please to me how saying that you are going to donate whatever excess money you have to charity and then doing so is fraud?

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

That's not where the fraud occurs. The fraud occurs in stating that you will accept my money and use it to accomplish Object X and then deliberately failing to accomplish Object X. Plain and simple. The promise to donate a surplus to the EFF was the surplus left over after Object X was accomplished. But Objective X was never accomplished. Therefore, there's no surplus.

A donation is a gift. Sorry, brah, but Hotz can do whatever the hell he wants with the leftover funds. You should be more careful with who and how much you donate your money to.

 

[Rayne870]

sucky ending.

 

[Danpascooch]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

When did he promise he wouldn't bail out when asking for donations? You're putting words in his mouth which doesn't fly in a court of law, here is his request for donations:

Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.
I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business.
Together, we can help fix the system

Donations here are for legal defense ONLY
I checked with my lawyers before setting this up
If you have another substantial way to donate aside from money, let me know

tl;dr
Sony is lame, and is suing me for hacking MY OWN PS3. Help me own them in court

Sony are bullies
Sony doesn?t care if what you did was legal, if they don?t like it, they sue. Sony tried to sue a guy for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don?t really care about piracy, they care about control. In (Sony v Bleem), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down. Fortunately, that suit helped set precedent on the legality of emulators. I would hate to lose this case due to resource starvation, and with the support of the masses, I won?t. Lets turn the bully back on itself. This case has the ability to set a huge precedent for consoles and all closed systems to come. The other two should be begging Sony to back off.

Sony sued the wrong guy
I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone?s copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it?s paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.
My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of all previous cases (or, in reverse), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play ?super mario world, an unauthorized game? on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow?s goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It?s shameful on Sony?s part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don?t sue people who point out your shortcomings.

Why should I care about your personal legal troubles?
You shouldn?t. For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations. But this case isn?t about me. Clearly I am not being sued because of something I have that Sony wants, I am being sued in order to send a message that Sony is not to be messed with. But if I(and all codefendants likewise) actually win this, we have the power to send a much stronger message back. That consumers have rights, and we aren?t afraid to stand up for them.

Why should I trust you? I just saw you trying to rap battle Sony
My attempts at humor aside, I do take this whole matter very seriously. Again, it?s not about me, I was on the verge of quitting this stuff last June, and I would hate to be the one who sets a reputation for hackers that all a company has to do is sue us and we back down. In fact, I want the opposite reputation set, that the more a company tries to abuse the legal system, the harder we rally back. I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project.

Why did you wait until now to set this up?
I didn?t want to be trigger happy, and thought the suit might go away quickly. Also, I had to consult with my lawyers about how to do this. It?s been over a month, and it looks like this is going to be a drawn out case. I am in this for the long haul. I am very serious ethically when I take donations, for all iPhone work I only accepted after the fact, here after the fact is too late. Now I am pot committed so to say.

How much should I donate?
Put it this way, Sony has 5 lawyers, I have 2. I?d like to level the playing field, and really get some hard hitters in there. I have already racked up over 10k in legal bills; donate whatever you feel like. Leftover donations at the end of all this will be donated to the EFF.

What if I want to donate more than I feel comfortable sending through PayPal?
I?m excited! Email me, we?ll figure it out.

Why doesn?t the EFF fund this?
Ask them. They have offered to provide some legal help though, which is much appreciated.

Donate to help you, you?re the reason I can?t play Modern Warfare now?
No, I?m not. Kakaroto explains this really well here. I have never played PS3 online ever. Frankly I?m amazed by the apparent ease with which these cheats were created, security 101, why is the security in the client anyway? I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN.

I?m a poor college student, what can I do to help?
I feel you, don?t worry. Spread the word. Let people know how you feel about what Sony is doing. Let Sony know how you feel about what Sony is doing.

What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It?d be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I?m also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.

Why isn?t SCEA trying to settle?
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE?THEY POINTED OUT OUR SECURITY FLAWS?IM SO MADDDDDDDD?WAHHHHHH


Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/02/geohots-legal-defense-fund-geohot-needs-your-help-to-fight-sony/#ixzz1JFIsEaZr

First off, he didn't promise he wouldn't "bail out" (settle), not only that but he actually mentions what he would want out of a settlement (Showing that at the time of donation, people were aware settlement was a distinct possibility) The only two promises he made here that if violated could constitute embezzlement are:

1.) All funds will be used for legal defense only
2.) If funds are left over they will be donated to the Electronic Frontier foundation.

Those were the promises as it pertains to the donations, and so far there is no evidence to suggest he violated either of them. Whether you are pissed at him or not is irrelevant, there is absolutely no evidence of fraud

 

[JDKJ]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

You honestly think that kid gives two shits about some dude spouting fancy legal jargon on some forum claiming that they might sue him for fraud?

Not half as much as he should be caring about that $250,000 dangling over his head if he's dumb enough to ever come near any of Sony's products in the future. If I were him, I wouldn't even play a PS3, just to be on the safe side.

 

[JDKJ]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated to your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

Hero, my ass. You's a punky-ass *****. You had a choice: git down or lay down, And your sorry ass just laid down.

You try and talk shit to a guy while hiding behind the anonymous mask of the internet and you call him the punky-ass *****. HAH! You fit that description way more than he does. I'll bet anything if it was YOU getting sued you'd lay down and take it up the ass immediately while GeoHot at least fought for a couple of weeks. Go sit in the corner and keep your pea-brained ignorance to yourself little boy.

Are you suggesting that I wouldn't freely speak my mind to George Hotz in person? Have you not seen pictures of Georgie Boy? He don't weigh a buck-twenty-five soaking wet and looks like he'd have difficulty punching his way outta a wet paper bag. Who the fuck his Georgie Boy not tell him whatever's on your mind? If he don't like it, what's he gonna do about it? Kick my ass? Please.

 

[Arehexes]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

 

[Baradiel]

I wondered what was going to happen with this.

 

[Arehexes]

Now to wait for Kotick V. West + Zampella

Teacher Onizuka could you explain this case, I'm not following

 

[Sniper Team 4]

"It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind.

BAH HA HA HA HA! Even at the end, he's a lying idiot.

 

[JDKJ]

I want you money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

Can you please to me how saying that you are going to donate whatever excess money you have to charity and then doing so is fraud?

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

That's not where the fraud occurs. The fraud occurs in stating that you will accept my money and use it to accomplish Object X and then deliberately failing to accomplish Object X. Plain and simple. The promise to donate a surplus to the EFF was the surplus left over after Object X was accomplished. But Objective X was never accomplished. Therefore, there's no surplus.

A donation is a gift. Sorry, brah, but Hotz can do whatever the hell he wants with the leftover funds. You should be more careful with who and how much you donate your money to.

As a legal matter, brah, some gifts are not given to the recipients for them to do with whatever they want. A donatio mortis causa (i.e., a gift given in contemplation of imminent death) has to be returned to the donor if they don't imminently die as they contemplated. Similarly, a gift given in contemplation of marriage (e.g., an engagement ring) reverts back to the giver if the marriage is called off and never occurs.

A little internet research before we open our mouths and get to talking about that which we know absolutely nothing, goes a long way, brah.

 

[Arehexes]

Damn, I wanted a bloodbath

....seeing your avatar with your post made me smile way to hard.

 

[JDKJ]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated to your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

Hero, my ass. You's a punky-ass *****. You had a choice: git down or lay down, And your sorry ass just laid down.

And how is he supposed to track down the few thousand people who donated money and decide who gets how much from whats left? He said he would donate the rest, which is fine. What you're saying isn't practical at all.

I'm so thoroughly regretting my empty threat to sue George Hotz for his unreturned donations. It has become a complete distraction from what is actually a cause for celebration: the fact that Sony has now completely owned him.

 

[Actual]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

1)He gave out the key so people could use their products as they should be able to, as they planned to use when they bought them, and as they were told they would be able to use them, until Sony changed their mind and made themselves liars.

2)Freedom is dangerous, no-one should be free.

 

[JDKJ]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

1)He gave out the key so people could use their products as they should be able to, as they planned to use when they bought them, and as they were told they would be able to use them, until Sony changed their mind and made themselves liars.

2)Freedom is dangerous, no-one should be free.

If that's truly the case and Sony was on the wrong side of the dispute, then why didn't he stick to his position and prove that to be case? Why did he settle on terms most unfavorable to him? That don't make much sense.

 

[Hiroshi Mishima]

I think this settlement was Sony's doing. I think their legal team was going to have a hard time proving their case and the risk of failure would have opened some pretty big doors for others to walk all over them.

Pretty much this, in my opinion.

Not to mention, anyone and everyone who got the "jailbreak" code (and what a stupid term to use, right?) will be able to get it to others. This may be the end of it for GeoHot, but for Sony, I don't see this being over at all.

EDIT: JDKJ or however you spell your name.. would you just put a fucking sock in it already? I think only maybe 1 or 2 people (if that) have really agreed with you, and regardless who has or hasn't several people have already defeated your various points. Now it feels more like you're doing this just for attention, which arguably was your intention all along.

Either learn to troll better, or give up and agree to a settlement.

 

[ionveau]

At first my opinion on consoles was that XBOX is greedy and PS3 is kind and willing to give users the best for the lowest price

Now my opinion is both company's are faceless soulless
good job Sony

 

[Macrobstar]

Thats fine him hacking his own ps3, but why did he have to release the root key for other people to do illegal things with?

 

[Macrobstar]

Yay! This means that Sony can continue to treat hardware purchased by their customers as company property! A great day for us all.

Well if you don't connect to PSN and accept the user agreement then brodcast to everyone over the internet about your hacking I'm pretty sure you can do what you want with your PS3