Georgia and Russia on Brink of War
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I know this is serious but I can totally see some redneck watching the tv and going "Ma! Them Ruskies are invading Georgia, thats only a couple states away!"
I'm inclined to support Russia on this one. Sure, there are probably a few lies kicking about, but when was the media ever 100% truthful? I really hope we (The west) doesn't get involved, because the shit could quite badly hit the fan.
well we got the fan (fanatical patriots who believe everything on tv) now all we need is some bullshit (media YAY!!)
Now the US is backing up Georgia? Why?! I thought they started this shit by trying to take over South Ossetia from the people, who mainly wanted to be Russian.
that is what im thinking... also, arnt we allied with russia? and we are opposing the russia with the nukes, mind you. it would be wise not to start a nuclear winter... i like the sun.PurpleRain said:
Well the more I found out the more I thought Russia was right, but now Georgia is withdrawing and Russia isn't backing down I'm not so sure. And with Ukrain moving to unbolck Georgia ports this could get ugly. Russia had total victory, why arn't they backing down?
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Well the more I found out the more I thought Russia was in the right, but now Georgia is withdrawing and Russia isn't backing down, I'm not so sure. And with Ukrain moving to unbolck Georgia ports this could get ugly. Russia had total victory, why arn't they backing down?
Because Georga Said they were invading SO to stop terror attacks, kinda like the US in Iraq but more legit, well as far as the terror attacks. I think Georga didn't have the intention to leave however.PurpleRain said:
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Well the more I found out the more I thought Russia was in the right, but now Georgia is withdrawing and Russia isn't backing down, I'm not so sure. And with Ukrain moving to unbolck Georgia ports this could get ugly. Russia had total victory, why arn't they backing down?
Apparently, an important oil pipeline is involved.
This is pretty much the East Timor thing over in the south-east asia region.
East Timor is South Ossetia, Indonesia is Georgia, and, arguably, Australia is Russia.
Well, at least America isn't secretly providing arms to Georgia this time.
This is pretty much the East Timor thing over in the south-east asia region.
East Timor is South Ossetia, Indonesia is Georgia, and, arguably, Australia is Russia.
Well, at least America isn't secretly providing arms to Georgia this time.
I so hope that won't turn into some serious fight.Knight Templar said:
That wasn't mentioned in Ukrainian news, btw.
This is one of the best and most descriptive articles to date (seems very non-biased): http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/world/europe/12georgia.html?pagewanted=1&hp
For biased reports try:
www.interfax.com (pro-Russia .. albet not much info in English version.. if you can read Russian - try www.interfax.ru, or combine with a translation service)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7553144.stm (pro-Georgia)
For biased reports try:
www.interfax.com (pro-Russia .. albet not much info in English version.. if you can read Russian - try www.interfax.ru, or combine with a translation service)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7553144.stm (pro-Georgia)
Probably nothing - the Russian military is not quite up to taking on the USA and NATO. Yet.Alex_P said:
Skip forward ten years to a nuclear Iran allied to an expanded Russia with twelve years of oil-backed military spending and we're probably looking at World War 3. Get your shelters early and save!
As I've said, none of this is surprising if you've been paying attention. For those who don't know, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are only recognized as independent countries by Russia and its allies. Yet Russia also considers both provinces' residents to be Russian citizens. That tell you anything about Russian intentions?
How about this - after Russia takes Georgia, Russian and Iran will between them control all the oil and natural gas flowing from that region. Russia has already cut off Ukraine's natural gas in its attempt to install a Russian government in that country, and has threatened to cut off other states' natural gas for political purposes. Those of you in northern and eastern Europe should be very, very worried - the Russians are coming back.
And to those lauding wikipedia, please notice that their history starts when Georgian begins shelling South Ossetia. Ever wonder why they would do that?
Also, the USA has already been arming Georgia, as are other NATO nations. There are over one hundred US military personnel on the ground in Georgia, as well as personnel from other NATO countries, training military and anti-terrorist paramilitary forces.
It's more than that. The US helped train most of Georgia's military and are closely tied with them in terms of their NATO membership bid. The US are just backing their horse. In this case, it's the wrong one. I can't vilify Russia over this, the Georgian's kicked it off, killing 10 Russian soldiers (reports differ, but it seems likely this happened in North Ossetia, which is part of Russia), I can't blame them for not accepting Georgia's offer of a ceasefire. Russia want to give Georgia a bloody nose over this.Knight Templar said:
You should definitely vilify Russia over this. And Georgia and the West (governments and media), too, of course. Saakashvili's opportunistic blunder may be the proximate cause, but I think it's silly to point fingers over years of tense buildup and ethnic unrest. Individual actions are going to be much more important than "who started it." At this point, however, Russia is incontrovertibly causing the same kind of humanitarian crisis that Georgia inflicted upon the Ossetes. That's not a "clean hands" situation.Gapperjack said:
The problem here is that Vladimir Putin doesn't really do bloody noses. It's going to be more of a "broken back."
-- Alex
Georgia definitely did not kill any Russian troops in North Ossetia; that's over the spine of the Caucasus Mountains, and Georgian troops can't even get near the passes. Georgia probably killed some Russian troops - sorry, peacekeepers - in South Ossetia when they began shelling Tskhinvali, but the South Ossetians have been shelling and driving out ethnically Georgian villages in the region for quite some time.Gapperjack said:
Imagine that in Canada the USA started sending machine guns, mortars, and artillery into separatist Quebec and made most of the French-speaking Quebeccans American citizens. Then imagine the French-speaking Quebeccans began cutting the roads leading to towns of English-speaking Quebeccans and firing mortar and artillery shells into those towns. Now imagine that when the Canadian military intervened, the much more powerful US military came in to "stop the fighting" and protect the "American citizens" (who actually want to be a free Quebec, not the 51st United State), but the French-speaking Quebeccans (I really do need to look up what residents of Quebec are called) kept attacking towns of English-speaking Quebeccans within Quebec and the surrounding area, protected by the powerful American military.
That is what has been happening in Georgia since 1992, and on a much faster scale since 2004. If you want to believe there aren't good guys and bad guys in this conflict, well, you probably live in a free country. I hope it's not near Russia. If you want to believe Russia is a free democracy like Georgia, then hey, the Tooth Fairy is available to perform at parties and Bar Mitzvahs for a nominal fee, and he asked me to collect the deposit.