Geth/Quarian Morality Choices

[Forgetitnow344]

Even Mordin has a very convoluted way you can save him and I'm doing a whole new playthrough with that being my sole purpose.

My 2 cents: Mordin doesn't need to be 'saved', he needs redemption. I loved that guy to bits and his death, well, it sucked, but it gave him closure to something that he deeply regretted.

I call bullshit on that. In the second game, Mordin was very much for the genophage and I was with him on it. In the third game, he suddenly hates it. I can see him getting on board with fixing it for the sake of the mission (because that's logical), but he just does a 180 out of nowhere. He doesn't need redemption.

Was right decision at time. Given time travel, would do it again. But still undo later, now. *sniff* Both necessary.

if you talk to him with paragon choices during his loyalty mission you can see he was pretty upset about it but belived it was the best of the worst

I guess that would fix it. My canon Shep is Renegade, and all Mordin ever talks about is how the genophage was absolutely necessary and the whole team agreed on it. I just want Mordin to be able to do experiments on the seashells, you guys...

 

[Saladfork]

I took the renegade option to get peace.

It went something along the lines of, "Han'Gerral, if you don't stop your attack NOW, I am going to sit here and watch as my friend enables the rest of the geth to wipe you out in 3 minutes flat."

I actually don't know what the paragon option is, but I feel like the renegade one does actually make sense; You're basically threatening Han'Gerral and his entire species if he doesn't cooperate.

 

[Loop Stricken]

I would've absolutely sided with the Geth after what the Quarians did. And I did.

Then I restarted and sided with the Quarians because Tali. Goddamnit woman, why do you make me stab my awesome friend in the back?

 

[saluraropicrusa]

Even Mordin has a very convoluted way you can save him and I'm doing a whole new playthrough with that being my sole purpose.

My 2 cents: Mordin doesn't need to be 'saved', he needs redemption. I loved that guy to bits and his death, well, it sucked, but it gave him closure to something that he deeply regretted.

I call bullshit on that. In the second game, Mordin was very much for the genophage and I was with him on it. In the third game, he suddenly hates it. I can see him getting on board with fixing it for the sake of the mission (because that's logical), but he just does a 180 out of nowhere. He doesn't need redemption.

Was right decision at time. Given time travel, would do it again. But still undo later, now. *sniff* Both necessary.

if you talk to him with paragon choices during his loyalty mission you can see he was pretty upset about it but belived it was the best of the worst

I guess that would fix it. My canon Shep is Renegade, and all Mordin ever talks about is how the genophage was absolutely necessary and the whole team agreed on it. I just want Mordin to be able to do experiments on the seashells, you guys...

Mordin is one of my favorite characters, and i think his death was beautifully done. if you go renegade and only reveal the sabotage at the end, Mordin will say (actually, yell) that he made a mistake. you can see even in the second game how, while he thought the genophage was necessary at the time, he regrets that such a decision ever had to be made.
besides all that, he was about at the end of his life anyway (i mean, from what i remember he's over 40, right? and that's pretty old for a salarian).

Spoiler

But, of course, the Qurians instigated the final choice as they always do. Honestly, they deserve to be wiped out by the Geth at this point.

i don't understand how the decisions of a few Quarians condemns the entire species to death. that strikes me as completely outrageous.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Spoiler

But, of course, the Qurians instigated the final choice as they always do. Honestly, they deserve to be wiped out by the Geth at this point.

i don't understand how the decisions of a few Quarians condemns the entire species to death. that strikes me as completely outrageous.

Spoiler

Geth gain sentience, the majority of Quarians decide to kill them and Geth sympathizers. The Admiralty Board is slanted in favor of going to war or subjugating the Geth again. They start another war. Their main general wants to kill the Geth one final time when the Geth are vulnerable. Hardly just the actions of a few. There is a clear pattern.

 

[TimeLord]

For those who are interested, you need certain decisions from ME2 to save both races, it's not just blind choices;

"Geth vs. Quarians
In order to achieve peace between the two races, you need to get 5 to 7 points. These points are based on your ME2 and ME3 decisions. If you have 4 points or below, you cannot achieve peace.

-Rewrote the Heretics (0 points)
-Destroyed the Heretics (+2 points)
-Tali is NOT exiled (+2 points)
-Tali has been exiled/You did not do the Loyalty Mission (0 points)
-Resolved Legion/Tali conflict either using the Paragon or Renegade options (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Save the Admiral on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-Completed Legion's Mission in ME3 (or no peace)

You will need a HIGH reputation for the peace talks. If you rewrote the heretics in ME2 BUT achieve peace, you will gain more war assets, but there'll be less quarians. Also, if you rewrote them, you will face more geth than people who destroyed them, in which they'll face less geth."

OT: Maybe it's because I didn't romance Tali but the Geth were much more worthy of living than the Quarians were to me. After about my second playthrough I realised that you can save both sides. But even so, to a lesser degree in ME2 but more so in ME3, the Quarians in general are well... dicks.

They distrust me helping Tali in ME2 with her trial thingy, they fire on a ship with me inside after I just did them a huge favour to save their collective fleet asses by stopping the Reaper signal, they are generally condescending towards me and I think it was their own damn fault that they lost their planet to the Geth in the first place. So they should either accept their fate as a space-born fleet forever and shut up about their homeworld. They make the Geth out as some kind of super evil race that hounded them from their own planet when they created them, then they tried to destroy them. If the Geth show self preservation, which they do, then they are truely living. Yet the Quarians still treated them as machines that have no emotion. Also, "Oh there's a full scale Reaper invasion of the Galaxy? Let's initiate a war with two rediculously large fleets to take back our home world that will probably be eaten by Reapers in a few weeks anyway"

Also Legion is a much better squad member than Tali and is a much more interesting character than those faceless[footnote]See what I did there?[/footnote] Quarians.

So yeah, the Geth live and the Quarians die. No regrets

 

[Saviordd1]

I'm more iffy about the choice itself.

OKAY GUISE HERES TEH MROAL DILEMA. GENOCIDE GROUP A, GENOCIDE GROUP B, OR SOLVE CENTURIES OF BLOODSHED WITH A FEW INSPIRING WORDS. QLATILY BIOWEAR STORYTELING!1!!

Except its not nearly that simple and all the fancy words in the world don't mean shit if you haven't taken steps to make it possible, but hey, people who hate things rarely think things through, so that's okay.


OT: I agree, honestly both groups had their ups and downs, so I just get annoyed like you how it has a set "good v. evil" thing.

 

[saluraropicrusa]

Spoiler

But, of course, the Qurians instigated the final choice as they always do. Honestly, they deserve to be wiped out by the Geth at this point.

i don't understand how the decisions of a few Quarians condemns the entire species to death. that strikes me as completely outrageous.

Spoiler

Geth gain sentience, the majority of Quarians decide to kill them and Geth sympathizers. The Admiralty Board is slanted in favor of going to war or subjugating the Geth again. They start another war. Their main general wants to kill the Geth one final time when the Geth are vulnerable. Hardly just the actions of a few. There is a clear pattern.

hold on, i thought Legion implied in that mission that it wasn't a majority that wanted to deactivate the Geth. or am i remembering wrong?
as for the rest of that, to be fair to the Quarians, they've been living on their ships for hundreds of years. Those that actually participated in the initial war are probably long dead. All they have to go on is the stories they've heard about the Geth, and it's not hard to imagine why many would be desperate to end the conflict in the fastest way possible. It's likely the majority of them haven't had any significant contact with any Geth, let alone one like Legion. while it's obviously wrong for them to wipe out the Geth, i fail to understand how genocide of a species is right under any circumstances. neither side deserved to be wiped out.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Spoiler

But, of course, the Qurians instigated the final choice as they always do. Honestly, they deserve to be wiped out by the Geth at this point.

i don't understand how the decisions of a few Quarians condemns the entire species to death. that strikes me as completely outrageous.

Spoiler

Geth gain sentience, the majority of Quarians decide to kill them and Geth sympathizers. The Admiralty Board is slanted in favor of going to war or subjugating the Geth again. They start another war. Their main general wants to kill the Geth one final time when the Geth are vulnerable. Hardly just the actions of a few. There is a clear pattern.

hold on, i thought Legion implied in that mission that it wasn't a majority that wanted to deactivate the Geth. or am i remembering wrong?
as for the rest of that, to be fair to the Quarians, they've been living on their ships for hundreds of years. Those that actually participated in the initial war are probably long dead. All they have to go on is the stories they've heard about the Geth, and it's not hard to imagine why many would be desperate to end the conflict in the fastest way possible. It's likely the majority of them haven't had any significant contact with any Geth, let alone one like Legion. while it's obviously wrong for them to wipe out the Geth, i fail to understand how genocide of a species is right under any circumstances. neither side deserved to be wiped out.

Deserved might be a bit strong, but I wouldn't shed a tear if their antagonistic behavior lead to the destruction of their fleet.

 

[wintercoat]

Spoiler

But, of course, the Qurians instigated the final choice as they always do. Honestly, they deserve to be wiped out by the Geth at this point.

i don't understand how the decisions of a few Quarians condemns the entire species to death. that strikes me as completely outrageous.

Spoiler

Geth gain sentience, the majority of Quarians decide to kill them and Geth sympathizers. The Admiralty Board is slanted in favor of going to war or subjugating the Geth again. They start another war. Their main general wants to kill the Geth one final time when the Geth are vulnerable. Hardly just the actions of a few. There is a clear pattern.

hold on, i thought Legion implied in that mission that it wasn't a majority that wanted to deactivate the Geth. or am i remembering wrong?
as for the rest of that, to be fair to the Quarians, they've been living on their ships for hundreds of years. Those that actually participated in the initial war are probably long dead. All they have to go on is the stories they've heard about the Geth, and it's not hard to imagine why many would be desperate to end the conflict in the fastest way possible. It's likely the majority of them haven't had any significant contact with any Geth, let alone one like Legion. while it's obviously wrong for them to wipe out the Geth, i fail to understand how genocide of a species is right under any circumstances. neither side deserved to be wiped out.

They may not deserve extinction, but if only one of them can be saved, you'd bet your ass I'd save the Geth every time. The Quarians have shown a tendency for self-destructive behavior when the Geth are involved. What do you think will happen after the war against the Reapers with all of the Geth tech just floating there above Rannoch? Do you really think Admiral Xen would keep her greedy fingers off of all that tech? Do you really think someone as obsessed with reclaiming the Geth as Xen was would just leave things the way they are?

 

[JWRosser]

First time I did it, I was playing as Renegade. I decided to wipe them out, and Legion turned and Tali's replacement (she had died in ME2 with this Shepard) shot him. I felt genuinely bad after that.

However this time I managed to keep them both happy. Legion still died (sadface) but I now have the Geth and Quarian fleets.

I symphatised with the Geth, especially seeing more of their backstory. And there is one line that gets me - when you're on the Normandy, one of the Quarian commanders says something about the Geth attacking, and Legion just cries (something like) "to save themselves from you!"

Brilliant stuff.


Also, Tali aside, most Quarians are dicks.

 

[Spongebobdickpants]

I'm more iffy about the choice itself.

OKAY GUISE HERES TEH MROAL DILEMA. GENOCIDE GROUP A, GENOCIDE GROUP B, OR SOLVE CENTURIES OF BLOODSHED WITH A FEW INSPIRING WORDS. QLATILY BIOWEAR STORYTELING!1!!

This times a billion. I found out that my "genocide" choice could have been averted if i had enough paragon which rendered the point of this moral dilemma to nothing and it just pissed me off.

 

[Blobpie]

Lemme tell you what i did:
I had enough paragon to save them both. Because you see.... my Shepard is space Jesus.

 

[Joccaren]

*Snip*

I've never seen it give Paragon or Renegade points, so therefore each is neutral. It is one of the big problems with the Dialogue wheel and its arrangement though - it generally makes everything look either paragon or Renegade, even when they are just two equally neutral choices. Its why I prefer the list of responses as opposed to an ordered wheel of 'This is good, this is bad'.