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Galletea

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I know there have been a few threads on the subject on 3D cinema already, but I'll hope you'll forgive me as I rant a little.

I've never been particularly impressed by gimmicky ideas. The eye toy did nothing for me, the gravity gun in HL2 got dull for me very quickly, the Wii, touch screen technology, apps, all of that "look what we can do now" stuff left me yawning. The latest thing to do this to me is 3D cinema. It's not a new idea after all, 3D films were wowing audiences in the 1950s, and then again in the resurgence of the 80's. We've gone from the old blue and red to polarised glasses and films are raking in the profits. My problem with all this, is like with all gimmicks, something is sacrificed for the benefit of the novel experience. With the touch screen we got a million apps, but lost the easy to use functionality of a cell phone. With 3D cinema, to fully use the technology, content seems to have taken the bullet for the greater good, or for profits in this case.

The last few films I saw, were: Up, Book of Eli, Alice in Wonderland and the Clash of The Titans. Of these, I don't think Book of Eli was in 3D, so we'll discount that for now. There are two things these films had in common:

1: They were all in 3D, obviously.

2: There was an awful .lot of travelling in them.

Of the three films the one I enjoyed most, was Up. I thought about it, and I've come to the conclusion that I liked that one the most because is was supposed to be about travelling. The whole premise was that the old man was making his journey. The other two simply involved travelling scene after travelling scene with a little action to break it up. I'm sure many people marvelled at the twisted woods in all their 3D glory, and loved the multi layered mountains, and the complex city of Argos, but I'd prefer a bit more story. If I wanted to look at scenery, I'd go on a road trip. I've seen clips of Avatar, and it looks to be the same story; "look at our fancy scenery, the close bits actually look close. Look at our waterfalls!". Even the trailers showed more films in 3D about people going somewhere. More 3D scenery. There was one about owls, going somewhere for some reason, which is fine, since that's what owls do I suppose, fly around. Even the latest Shrek seems to about getting back to wherever he was.

The other thing that annoys me is how obvious it all is. The trailers for Titans was all about sticking spears into the screen, and other things from that front-on angle. I like some variety in my films but most of all I value a good plot, and a decent script. I personally hope this whole fad with 3D cinema goes away, or at least becomes more subtle soon, as I'd like to go and watch a decent film again.

So that's the end of my sort-of-rant. To prompt you into some sort of discussion, what do you think about the 3D cinema trend? Are there any other gimmicks that you really hate? Maybe there are some you like, against your better judgement.
 

Sixties Spidey

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3D is a fucking gimmick. That's it. Avatar was the biggest piece of shit ever, because it needed the 3D technology to excuse itself for it's bad quality.

It's a novelty. And it will die out very quickly.
 

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3D is a fucking gimmick. That's it. Avatar was the biggest piece of shit ever, because it needed the 3D technology to excuse itself for it's bad quality.

It's a novelty. And it will die out very quickly.
But the worrying thing is, the big companies have pumped so much money into the 3D business that it can't die out quickly.
I agree - 3D is a gimmick, and I personally think 2D is perfectly acceptable. However, I fear the future will only bring more gimmicks, with everything rushing to go 3D.
 

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I really don't get why people are raging about 3D. I still get to see a movie, but I get to see it with neato effects. If I didn't like 3D, I would just see it in 2D and there would most likely be less people in the Cinema.
 

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zen5887 said:
I really don't get why people are raging about 3D. I still get to see a movie, but I get to see it with neato effects. If I didn't like 3D, I would just see it in 2D and there would most likely be less people in the Cinema.
My problem with 3D isn't the medium itself, it's simply that films seem to be made specifically for that market, and the content seems to suffer for it. If you value the visual spectacle above all other aspects then great, 3D was made for you, but I want more than that in any media product.
 

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Galletea said:
zen5887 said:
I really don't get why people are raging about 3D. I still get to see a movie, but I get to see it with neato effects. If I didn't like 3D, I would just see it in 2D and there would most likely be less people in the Cinema.
My problem with 3D isn't the medium itself, it's simply that films seem to be made specifically for that market, and the content seems to suffer for it. If you value the visual spectacle above all other aspects then great, 3D was made for you, but I want more than that in any media product.
I disagree. I don't think (with the exception of Avatar, which I agree was all about the visuals) that those movies would be any different. Alice would of still been mediocre and How to tame your Dragon still would of been awesome.
 

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I agree. 3D is a stupid gimmick, just like the Wii/Natal/PS Move. It has the potential to be cool but the feature hasn't been well implemented yet. I usually dislike touch screens too, but the DS really makes that function useful and simplifies gaming. That is probably one of the few exceptions where gimmicks turned out to be good...
 

Galletea

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Ironboot said:
I agree. 3D is a stupid gimmick, just like the Wii/Natal/PS Move. It has the potential to be cool but the feature hasn't been well implemented yet. I usually dislike touch screens too, but the DS really makes that function useful and simplifies gaming. That is probably one of the few exceptions where gimmicks turned out to be good...
Yeah I agree with you on the DS, I think it's one of the few examples where a gimmicky idea was well implemented with content. I'd be more accepting of 3D if films weren't so full of scenes that were obviously aimed to be in glorious 3D.
 

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The main thing about 3D is that it's not 3D. This 3D is the DOOM to a true three dimensional image's Quake. In fact, it's not even be Doom but Star Strike.


These movies are not in true 3D. The "3D" they use is nothing more than an optical illusion. This is why they cause headaches.

It is a gimmick, like it was in the 50's and the 80's to try to encourage people to go to the movies. Sadly, this sort of thing is easily replicated at home on the television, so there is little reason to go to a theater to get a headache. Polarized glasses can't really be used at home, but LCD shutter glasses [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCD_shutter_glasses] can and they work a hell of a lot better as one of the reason why "3D" gives you a headache is because the anaglyphic or polarized lenses don't filter out the image properly so everything looks fuzzy. Properly tuned shutter glasses do not have that problem. Even then, it is just an optical illusion, nothing more.

That the plots for these movies are lacking is no surprise. With a new technology advance, even a gimmick like 3D, the artistic side of production usually takes a hit right to the balls. It takes a little while for it to be able to stand up straight again and by then, 3d will likely be dead and movie theaters with them because there is not reason to go to the movies anymore. Just wait for pay per view or DVD.
 

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I don't think the increase in '3D' has had any influence on the story of these movies. Movies with spectacle ahead of substance had existed before the 3D movement in the 50s and will exist long into the future, people have been complaining about this for a while. The spectacle now in 2010 is 3D but if we take a movie released today like Clash of the Titans and release it in the past as if it had been made in that era than the spectacle get is:

10 years ago than the spectacle would be in the CGI that it uses.

30 years ago it would be puppets, robotics and stop motion... which the 1981 film actually used.

80 years ago it would be the fact that it has sound.

120 years ago it would be that it was a moving image.

There are so many movies with more influence on amazing with technology than telling a wonderful story with great actors, but the never make up all of the films. I don't think 3D will replace all cinema with dross, I don't think it will ever come close.

My opinion on the 3D is that it is quite a gimmicky, I don't like it much and avoid it when I can. It doesn't make me sick, I just feel that 3D is a great disconnect from the scene. A good filmmaker can make it feel like you are there in the scene and the movies benefit from it, when you have shit flying in your face than you realise that you are in the cinema and it can't be fixed. I haven't 3D in a long time so maybe that's improved but I don't want to buy a ticket only to hate a movie that I would have otherwise enjoyed.

Also, isn't it Imax and not Imex?
 

Galletea

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Fire Daemon said:
Also, isn't it Imax and not Imex?
Yes, yes it is, but I only noticed my error as I hit post.
I agree with what you're saying about the spectacle versus the content, as I said it's just that the 3D experience is the latest of these developments. I hope that, much like with CGI and its predecessors, 3D will in time be used to good effect, rather than as the most important aspect of the film.
 

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There is ONE thing i may be looking forward to... 3D live sports so the ball going curvey round players mysteriously because there is no sense of perspective dissappears. That's IT!


Edit : Clash of the Titans is a remake and looks MUCH better in 2D, is less of a mind-fuck and you can actually enjoy the story in 2D.
 

Galletea

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turmericnewton said:
Edit : Clash of the Titans is a remake and looks MUCH better in 2D, is less of a mind-fuck and you can actually enjoy the story in 2D.
Really? To be honest I thought the script was terrible and the fight scenes badly put together, I mean frontflips? What was the point in that? And what was with Perseus' accent? And the slo mo scorpion made me wonder if it was a Michael Bay epic.
 

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I hate 3D. I go to the cinema and watch a fucking film with fucking sun glasses on, What the Fuck. It's fucking annoying, why fucking sunglasses in a cinema... The film didn't have more than 3D bits in it anyway... Fuck!

Excuse me...
Well... No one is forcing you to watch the films in 3D.
 

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I often joke about movies. Public Enemies was shot during an earthquake, X-Men Origins: Wolverine was shot near the home of the ravenous Shirt Eating Monster, which kept attacking the main character between shoots, and Avatar was one really nice special effect that someone turned into a movie. Of the three, the only one that used the 3D gimmick was Avatar, but each of them had their thing. Didn't make it good or bad, just had it's thing.

Really, the big 3D thing came at fault of Avatar selling stupid amounts, and every else hoping to cash in. It's the same reason the PS360 now have motion hardware, and the DS(i) has a harddrive and downloadable apps. It's a potential market that business can tap, so they often do.

It often runs contrary to the way consumers want it, which explains public outcries like this one, but it stems from a deeper problem: consumers are idiots. Somehow, people will buy 3D Imax tickets like hotcakes, and give the movies good ratings. The movies make good money, so the next will be shot in 3D. Then the next, and so on.
 

Fire Daemon

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Galletea said:
I hope that, much like with CGI and its predecessors, 3D will in time be used to good effect, rather than as the most important aspect of the film.
Well a movie where the sound or the colour are the most important things could be an interesting experiment, actually it was with Disney's Fantasia, but I see what you mean. I wouldn't worry about 3D being the most important aspect of a film, there will always be a market for people who want a good story and good acting above Spectacle.

What I would worry about is all spectacle films forcing 3D upon us as CGI has been for the past decade or two.
 

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PayJ567 said:
Technically my parents bought the tickets to watch Clash of the Titans in 3D... Given the choice I would have stuck with 2D... So yeah, I believe I was forced.
Eh... What I meant was that the industry isn't forcing you, there is always a choice to watch it in 2D, provided that you buy the tickets yourself. If you got your tickets paid for, then that's an entire different matter.