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Ahem, runes cannot be bought with real money only in game currency. Do your research.
Give me a reason to play Dota 2 (EDIT: entire new OP)
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Ahem, runes cannot be bought with real money only in game currency. Do your research.
Yes there was, he mentioned him in that post you copied.YeOldeMoose said:
Chu8.
He got to the top of the leaderboards in Season one playing as Maokai, I was going to use him as an example but thought better of it.
There is an advice board somewhere on these forums, you should probably look them up buddy.leet_x1337 said:
So what do you suggest they post?poiumty said:
You're telling people not to give their experience of the game and why they enjoy it more than than other Mobas, which is what the OP wants.
Why should he play DotA 2 over other games?
Your point is a little asinine.
He doesn't say that, he says rune pages cost currency and suggests that both runes and rune pages should be free.KnowYourOnion said:
Do your reading.
Your criticizing unfairly though, it wasn't really being dragged into a flame war(although you took care of that one yourself by constantly posting how wrong Smash was)but pointing out the OPs lack of understanding.poiumty said:
The OP clearly went into this game unprepared and just assumed that his basic league of legends knowledge would be enough to get him into the basics. Unfortunately League to DotA transitions don't have the same relationship that DotA to League does.
Which was Smash's point ultimately.
Whilst it may not have been worded in the best way, it was still an example of the relationship that DotA and League of Legends have in the terms of difficulty and application of knowledge.
Now it's your understanding here that needs a little correction.poiumty said:
Whether he wants to hear it or not it's the truth and accepting that fact is the only way to get better at DotA.
Welcome to Dota you suck [http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462907]
The title of that isn't an offensive term, it's a mantra that comes through the guide and you have to accept it.
DotA is completely different from League and the OP had no understanding of how vastly different it was,subsequently he sucked at it and found no enjoyment.
Smash and myself both offered help and tried to make the OP understand that he has to do more than just play the game to get into it, it isn't our fault he couldn't handle it.
I understand your inclination to defend here but it isn't a case of people trying to say "Lol you suck noob!1!!!"
Dys said:If you play, and are happy playing LoL, then dota isn't for you. The games may look similar, but they are not. Simple as that.Good luck to you if you're using POTMs arrow for 5 second stuns during teamfights consistently. It's nearly impossible. The invisibility ability has a cooldown, so while it can be useful for ganking, it is nearly hopeless as an escape mechanism. All in, it's one of the less powerful ultimates (despite how imba it may seem on paper).The Wykydtron said:
The gameplay is kind of primary to the heroes backstories etc. There are still a lot of heroes missing as well, but at any rate the back story is kind of irrelevant and simply tacked on. If you're playing for the lore it seems you may be missing the point some.But none of these characters seem as interesting to me as the LoL Champions. Sure LoL has it's share of boring generic characters as well but... I don't know. I look through the entire character list, watch gameplay footage etc etc but I can't find a single truly interesting character.
That's G fucking G as far as i'm concerned.
One exception. Templar Assassin. She's pretty cool looking with her invisiblity, God Mode, blade thingies and traps. I like her facination with secrets mainly though. Reminds me of me
She's no Irelia though. Nowhere near. Love that girl <3
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Hmm, while it's good that gameplay takes precedence I feel that one of the biggest strengths of LoL is the synergy between character lore and character playstyle.
Let me use Irelia as an example, she is my absolute favourite character in the game after all (just above Sona) she is fiercely protective of her homeland (understatement of the century) so much so she even died in defence of it, flat out refused to die (Soraka helped) came back from the dead with her new awesome floaty blade powers and promptly wrecked some Noxian face.
Now, since Irelia is an offtank anti-carry assassin her job is to tank some damage and dive straight for the enemy carry in teamfights. Her passive (aptly named Ionian Fervor) plus Merc Treads means she cannot be stopped by anything. She is a damn force of nature. She will run straight through every stun, snare, fear, silence etc etc without even a second thought on her crusade to kill the carry.
Her true damage makes squishies cry, her ult keeps her alive for the 4 seconds you're spamming the R key (think the health regen needs a small buff though, they gimped it slightly too much imo) and she has a 4 second teleport at level 18. She will stick to that carry like glue and nobody can budge her.
She can also control her blades without touching them. That's just cool.
Leona is also a good example, she's a aggressive support with a whole lot of defensive options. She can either stun lock an enemy to death or drop stuns on whoever is chasing your carry.
All of her lines describe her role perfectly.
"Stay at the vanguard!"
"They'll have to get through me..."
"I will protect you"
And so on. If you aren't jumping on people with Leona, you're doing it wrong.
And briefly Fiora. Go ahead, try and 1v1 The Grand Duelist in lane. It's a really good idea! Though she actually needs to try to beat Jax, hell he might be her equal in 1v1 fighting
Finally Twisted Fate. He changes people's fates with his ult. Nuff said.
I dunno, it feels like DOTA 2 missed an opportunity. Yes gameplay is important but there is something great about that lore/gameplay synergy. It makes the characters feel more alive and frankly a lot more interesting.
I think I would enjoy the learning curve however, i'm one of those people who like to learn new things and don't view steep learning curves as being a waste of time.
You're kind of just picking at things now in order to continue a discussion.poiumty said:
I've said it before but DotA isn't a game you can just pick up, play a game and assess. In order to have any knowledge of the game to do that you'd have to understand it.
This is what the OP did, he openly admitted to not understanding the game and how to play it so how could he be expected to enjoy it?
Therefore I treated him like he has never played the game before because even after he played that one game, the real game evaded him.
Lolz, you think Riki and Pudge are overpowered. Your opinion is utterly invalid now.lordmardok said:
Alright, first of all be warned for this is most likely going to be long, however I'll try to be as reasonable as possible. As a long time DotA player (7 years or so now) and a casual League of Legends player. First I want you to know what I look for in a game. I like my games to allow a decent level of entry, however, make the mechanics a gateway for stupidly expansive skill levels (think Starcraft 2). And I am and always have been a competitive junkie, a multiplayer game I'll sink a lot of time with relies on skill rather than gimmicks.
First of all, I do play LoL, at least 20~ games a week. I am rated 1900 on the Solo ranked Queue and while playing DotA (Warcraft) I was in the third tier of Throne it, one of the top 500 players in Dotacash, so I do have a general idea of what I'm talking about about both games.
First of all community: I had to stop playing DotA for half a year or so because of massive University work load plus my job which didn't give me much free time, and at the 'skill level' where I am having a game after not playing two weeks or so is a very punishing experience. Do note that usually as you go up in skill the player base completely changes, when I got invited to the beta I did see a lot of shit talk, however, I very quickly got past that and at the place where I am right now the community is a lot more civic, knows what they are doing and overall it's a much better experience.
League overall feels more fun to me than DotA, however, DotA feels infinitely more rewarding. Losing a game in League doesn't really feel like a big deal because shit happens and you can always surrender, DotA sucks you in and grips you by the balls. At least that is how I feel, I win a LoL game and you know, feel happy. In DotA you get so much more invested, there's so much more you can and couldn't do, it's really on you. Sure, you have a team, but in DotA one player can make a ridiculous difference, it's quite possible that 2 pro players can win against 5 fairly high level players. Not easily of course, but it just allows for that much more skill.
Now, things that I don't like about League? Honestly it pisses me off that I don't have all the heroes right off the bat. I know it isn't a bit argument point and it's how Riot does business and that's fine, because many heroes take different roles. That's a huge difference between League and DotA, counterpicking is greatly lessened in LoL if allowed at all, because you can't really expect every player to have access to every hero you can't create a more diverse hero pool in terms of roles because not having the hero would be suicidal.
And my biggest gripe is summoner spells, you don't really feel it when you play LoL exclusively, when I play LoL for a couple of days and nothing else you learn to live with it, but, when you play DotA and they make a mistake in a gank that's it for them, they either lacked map awareness, warding or whatever but you kill them and that's that. In LoL you have a get out of jail free card that you won't blow easily (Flash) that really allows you to just bail out of a mistake. That's fine too, however it's really annoying when you see it from an objective point.
Things that I don't like about DotA: The community is quite heartless, when I started playing I was 12 or so and it was played every day LAN in a internet Cafe I really liked, I started playing there and the start level is ridiculous, first of all none of these players gamed online so the skill cap was forcefully lowered. We didn't even know Denying existed, that low. However the mechanics for everything were still there, so they got fairly skilled inside their own circle, it took me at least a year to catch up to them and a couple of more to where I got to the point where it wasn't a contest anymore (as I started playing online). Yes, this game is hard as hell, the entry is hard. But do note that you have played LoL, at least you know what a MOBA is, you know how to last hit (Within the ease that LoL does provide, because it's a hell of a lot easier to last hit in LoL)
Other than that, once you get past the entry barrier it's all you in DotA, it's your skill, your knowledge that will get you far or not at all. And when you master it, oh boy when you master it. There's nothing more rewarding. Everyone starts out with the same 'runes' same 'masteries' and same summoner spells, there's absolutely no outside interference, the Tidehunter that the most pro player picks and the biggest noob picks is the absolute same. This makes for unforgiving play and a hard road ahead, however, if you can stick through it then you will have reached what I consider the current peak of MOBA gameplay.
I still play League almost every day, I play DotA almost every day, I love both for their own reasons. LoL is more mindless fun, DotA is more rewarding.
That's about it, most points have been covered and I'm not here to change your mind, I just came to tell you why I like both games and I hope that you decide to give it another shot, if you manage to get into it you won't regret it.
First of all, I do play LoL, at least 20~ games a week. I am rated 1900 on the Solo ranked Queue and while playing DotA (Warcraft) I was in the third tier of Throne it, one of the top 500 players in Dotacash, so I do have a general idea of what I'm talking about about both games.
First of all community: I had to stop playing DotA for half a year or so because of massive University work load plus my job which didn't give me much free time, and at the 'skill level' where I am having a game after not playing two weeks or so is a very punishing experience. Do note that usually as you go up in skill the player base completely changes, when I got invited to the beta I did see a lot of shit talk, however, I very quickly got past that and at the place where I am right now the community is a lot more civic, knows what they are doing and overall it's a much better experience.
League overall feels more fun to me than DotA, however, DotA feels infinitely more rewarding. Losing a game in League doesn't really feel like a big deal because shit happens and you can always surrender, DotA sucks you in and grips you by the balls. At least that is how I feel, I win a LoL game and you know, feel happy. In DotA you get so much more invested, there's so much more you can and couldn't do, it's really on you. Sure, you have a team, but in DotA one player can make a ridiculous difference, it's quite possible that 2 pro players can win against 5 fairly high level players. Not easily of course, but it just allows for that much more skill.
Now, things that I don't like about League? Honestly it pisses me off that I don't have all the heroes right off the bat. I know it isn't a bit argument point and it's how Riot does business and that's fine, because many heroes take different roles. That's a huge difference between League and DotA, counterpicking is greatly lessened in LoL if allowed at all, because you can't really expect every player to have access to every hero you can't create a more diverse hero pool in terms of roles because not having the hero would be suicidal.
And my biggest gripe is summoner spells, you don't really feel it when you play LoL exclusively, when I play LoL for a couple of days and nothing else you learn to live with it, but, when you play DotA and they make a mistake in a gank that's it for them, they either lacked map awareness, warding or whatever but you kill them and that's that. In LoL you have a get out of jail free card that you won't blow easily (Flash) that really allows you to just bail out of a mistake. That's fine too, however it's really annoying when you see it from an objective point.
Things that I don't like about DotA: The community is quite heartless, when I started playing I was 12 or so and it was played every day LAN in a internet Cafe I really liked, I started playing there and the start level is ridiculous, first of all none of these players gamed online so the skill cap was forcefully lowered. We didn't even know Denying existed, that low. However the mechanics for everything were still there, so they got fairly skilled inside their own circle, it took me at least a year to catch up to them and a couple of more to where I got to the point where it wasn't a contest anymore (as I started playing online). Yes, this game is hard as hell, the entry is hard. But do note that you have played LoL, at least you know what a MOBA is, you know how to last hit (Within the ease that LoL does provide, because it's a hell of a lot easier to last hit in LoL)
Other than that, once you get past the entry barrier it's all you in DotA, it's your skill, your knowledge that will get you far or not at all. And when you master it, oh boy when you master it. There's nothing more rewarding. Everyone starts out with the same 'runes' same 'masteries' and same summoner spells, there's absolutely no outside interference, the Tidehunter that the most pro player picks and the biggest noob picks is the absolute same. This makes for unforgiving play and a hard road ahead, however, if you can stick through it then you will have reached what I consider the current peak of MOBA gameplay.
I still play League almost every day, I play DotA almost every day, I love both for their own reasons. LoL is more mindless fun, DotA is more rewarding.
That's about it, most points have been covered and I'm not here to change your mind, I just came to tell you why I like both games and I hope that you decide to give it another shot, if you manage to get into it you won't regret it.