Give my Dad reasons NOT to get a Mac!
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Macs are PCs people. PC stands for personal computer. The distinction you want to make is between windows and mac OS. Which is the difference between them, not the fact that macs are not a computer, which is what you are implying when you say "PCs and macs are different".
The price angle is a major consideration, as you get less for a higher price.
Windows PC: Can make a word processor for $500 easily. (source: newegg, among many)
Mac: Not so easily. $1199 for a desktop, and $999 for a macbook at their cheapest (source: apple.com). Not to mention at the pricepoint of $1199 one could easily buy a better processor than an i3.
That means that not even the cheapest Windows based computers are HALF the cost of the cheapest macs.
All that extra money they must be better right? No. Not at all the case. They aren't any less likely to crash on you, nor are they faster in any way when using the same hardware as a windows based computer. It's called advertising. You think microsoft said, when vista came out, that it would be a frustrating and inconceivably buggy platform that would cause many problems even for the most basic user? No. But it did it anyway. The point I'm making is that the so called "It just works" value in macs is a farse, and quite an illogical one.
If he won't listen to the opinions of those of us who have used them and found them inferior to windows PCs for reasons including the counterintuitive and limited user interface, then just explain to him the fact that he's paying twice what he would for a higher performance windows computer with an operating system that is by no means worse, only different.
The price angle is a major consideration, as you get less for a higher price.
Windows PC: Can make a word processor for $500 easily. (source: newegg, among many)
Mac: Not so easily. $1199 for a desktop, and $999 for a macbook at their cheapest (source: apple.com). Not to mention at the pricepoint of $1199 one could easily buy a better processor than an i3.
That means that not even the cheapest Windows based computers are HALF the cost of the cheapest macs.
All that extra money they must be better right? No. Not at all the case. They aren't any less likely to crash on you, nor are they faster in any way when using the same hardware as a windows based computer. It's called advertising. You think microsoft said, when vista came out, that it would be a frustrating and inconceivably buggy platform that would cause many problems even for the most basic user? No. But it did it anyway. The point I'm making is that the so called "It just works" value in macs is a farse, and quite an illogical one.
If he won't listen to the opinions of those of us who have used them and found them inferior to windows PCs for reasons including the counterintuitive and limited user interface, then just explain to him the fact that he's paying twice what he would for a higher performance windows computer with an operating system that is by no means worse, only different.
And then you forgot the rest? Or is your friend's computer over 10 years old?Ren3004 said:
Or perhaps are you just repeating something you heard and never verified for yourself?
1. its overpriced
2. it suports few programs
3. its expensive to legaly buy work programs
4. its cheaper to get a PC with the same specs
2. it suports few programs
3. its expensive to legaly buy work programs
4. its cheaper to get a PC with the same specs
Okay I am highly experienced on both sides, I grew up with macs through the 90s and switch to Pcs after Macs went to intels.
Right now no doubt in my mind PCs are better.
Anyone who says just run bootcamp on the mac NOOO! try it I have ,it dosen't even come close I have found all programs be it anything took 6-7 times longer just to install.
And don't get me started on that running natively crap.
My dad is also a mac fanatic and I have owned and used them all from Macbook airs to top end MacPros.
As for reliability I have found little to no significant differences, although I know what I am doing with my PC that may not be the same for others whereas macs are idiot boxes.
Let me not even start on my dads $20K Macpro being repaired every couple of weeks since he bought it, I can accept the possibility of a lemon here and there but when every part has been replaced a number of times I can't help but wonder.
Macs do have better first party software but that means little to the average user.
I have built better performing Pcs at near 1/4 - 1/3 of the Macs price.
As soon as you go near 3rd party apps I have found Macs have just as many problems as Pcs, even with the extremely limited number of apps and rigorous test to get them approved by apple.
I couldn't recommend a Mac to anyone unless I knew they were loaded, loved porn & dodgy websites and didn't know the difference between a screen and a computer.
Basically if you know how to use a PC then your wasting your money with a Mac.
Apples been going down hill right after PPC chips, it wouldn't surprise me if they left the computer market.
Right now no doubt in my mind PCs are better.
Anyone who says just run bootcamp on the mac NOOO! try it I have ,it dosen't even come close I have found all programs be it anything took 6-7 times longer just to install.
And don't get me started on that running natively crap.
My dad is also a mac fanatic and I have owned and used them all from Macbook airs to top end MacPros.
As for reliability I have found little to no significant differences, although I know what I am doing with my PC that may not be the same for others whereas macs are idiot boxes.
Let me not even start on my dads $20K Macpro being repaired every couple of weeks since he bought it, I can accept the possibility of a lemon here and there but when every part has been replaced a number of times I can't help but wonder.
Macs do have better first party software but that means little to the average user.
I have built better performing Pcs at near 1/4 - 1/3 of the Macs price.
As soon as you go near 3rd party apps I have found Macs have just as many problems as Pcs, even with the extremely limited number of apps and rigorous test to get them approved by apple.
I couldn't recommend a Mac to anyone unless I knew they were loaded, loved porn & dodgy websites and didn't know the difference between a screen and a computer.
Basically if you know how to use a PC then your wasting your money with a Mac.
Apples been going down hill right after PPC chips, it wouldn't surprise me if they left the computer market.
Mac - £867
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB DDR3 memory
250GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics (integrated)
My Laptop - £600 (could have got it for £500, but it was sold out)
2.53 Intel® Core? i5-460M processor
Memory size: 4 GB
Hard disk capacity: 640 GB
8x multi-standard DVD-/CD-burner with DVD-RAM and Dual Layer support
NVIDIA® GeForce? GT425M DirectX®11 graphics 1GB (Dedicated)
It's clear which is the better laptop, and for £267 less, if mac is required, I can just install it on another partition, therefore in my eyes Windows laptop > mac laptop by a large margin
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB DDR3 memory
250GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics (integrated)
My Laptop - £600 (could have got it for £500, but it was sold out)
2.53 Intel® Core? i5-460M processor
Memory size: 4 GB
Hard disk capacity: 640 GB
8x multi-standard DVD-/CD-burner with DVD-RAM and Dual Layer support
NVIDIA® GeForce? GT425M DirectX®11 graphics 1GB (Dedicated)
It's clear which is the better laptop, and for £267 less, if mac is required, I can just install it on another partition, therefore in my eyes Windows laptop > mac laptop by a large margin
Of these one of them is more or less something you can learn out of, one is down right false and the third is highly subjective.Xynder said:
You can learn your way out of being bad with a windows based OS, and it won't cost much. A free virus scanner, spyware scanner, and free downloads for firefox, and using the noscript add on as well as basic level common sense will save you from these scary viruses. In fact when I really think about it, I mean really think about it, I haven't actually had a legitimate problem with windows in about years of using it, going all the way back to 3.1 where I had to use a DOS prompt to access it still.
Quality? Nope. I'm afraid not. Ten years ago there was at least the legitimate claim that the processors might be better somehow, but now everyone uses the same chips. And beyond that? Everyone uses the same graphics cards, hard drives, RAM, and motherboards. If anything, chronic heating problems on the apple computers I keep seeing come through the tech desk on campus tells me that they still don't know how to manage a heat load. The reality is that laptops are almost all slapped together in the same shops in Asia. And if anything? As the guy who has to open your laptop and try and figure out what's going wrong, I like dealing with non-apple computers. Maybe it's the part where I don't have to use a heat gun to melt the glue holding a poorly tempered piece of glass to the frame of the laptop that holds the LCD screen in place. Or the part where you literally buy a whole new laptop to replace one little thing.
Less likely to screw up? Ok, you got me. An OS with fewer programs, and a less approachable programming language is going to have fewer hiccups with third party programs. I'd rather spend 20 bucks (And I'm being generous here. You can end up spending twice as much money on apple certified products, even software) less and deal with the computer crashing somewhere down the line.
Not quite. Where UNIX/OSX/Linux (henceforth "*nix") is built around this type of privilege system, Windows and it's UAC is "tacked on", on top of a system that expects all applications to run with administrator access. Thus, UAC authentication is required for practically everything, want to change your wallpaper? UAC. Want to play a game? UAC. Want to download a file of the internet? UAC. Not to mention that where sudo requires authentication, UAC merely asks you if "you are certain you want to do ", which seems more like a deterrent for people who want to delete their win32 directory, rather than a security measure.cearny said:
I play games on my PC, so a mac is pretty worthless to me. But the thing I hate most about them are those smug ass apple fanboys (which is even kind of an insult to the word "fanboy"). I was talking to one once and I asked him why my iPod Touch crashes more than my desktop and laptop combined (both windows), and he said they were user errors. Yes, because me just pushing a button to launch an app is a user error. Half the damn apps on that thing crash.
The real difference between mac and windows is one is based of DOS and the other off Unix. After that, most the differences come down to application software (which windows has more of since it is universally and apple sticks mostly to apple stuff).
The real difference between mac and windows is one is based of DOS and the other off Unix. After that, most the differences come down to application software (which windows has more of since it is universally and apple sticks mostly to apple stuff).
You can buy a PC with the same specs as a Mac for half the price. You can also upgrade your PC when the time calls for it, whereas you'd have to bin your Mac and get a new one.
