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Spy_Guy

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I don't give to charity. Never will.
I work for my money, and just because some people have it bad doesn't entitle them to my money. Quite frankly, the government taxes me, and some of that money already goes to charity... that annoys me enough.

If I had to choose to donate to something though, it would be to animal welfare.
When asked why, I say to you that cats are absolutely adorable, while humans are smelly, annoying and in many cases ugly.

Too many of us too.

So, no... I don't buy into the "Oh, we have it so nice; we ought to share our riches!" guilt complex surrounding this. We have a good way of life, and they do not by default deserve anything. So if someone can feel good throwing your money away at that, power to you, friend.

As for me, I'm offended by the idea.
 

Batou667

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I used to give monthly to charity. Not because I had a particularly strong urge to redress the inequalities that are rampant, and to put the world to rights - but because I got charity-mugged while walking down the street. The attractive young lady opened with "I don't want your bank details!" (spoiler: she lied) and from that point on I was doomed to just nodding my head in agreement with everything she said. Isn't this child abuse terrible? Yes, it is. Isn't £2 a month a pitifully small amount in the big scheme of things? Yes, it certainly is a small amount. Wouldn't it be great if I could make a difference to other people's lives? Well, yes, I suppose so. What are my bank details? Account number 273-5678-21, Sort code 09-01-... HEY, WAIT A MINUTE.

I have two problems with big, commercial charities. One, why exactly are maltreated Peruvian donkeys more deserving of my money than amputees in Sierra Leone? How exactly am I supposed to justify giving to one charity while NOT giving to another, equally deserving cause? And secondly; that army of perky 20-somethings you pay to patrol the streets and jump in people's way while they're trying to do their shopping, the TV commercials, the glossy leaflets that get shoved through my letter box... where does the money come from to pay for all that? The Magical Money Factory which is fuelled by raised awareness, good vibes and unicorn farts, I suppose?

I also disagree with the very premise of many charities. Homelessness and disability charities? You already get government benefits money. Amnesty International? No, my £2 a month will NOT convince Kim Jong Il to become a tree-hugging, diversity-embracing capitalist. Rainforest appeal? Sure, I'll give you £2 a month, while continuing to eat at McDonalds twice a week, therefore perpetuating the demand for Brazilian beef. I may as well just throw some coins into the gutter every month rather than give to charity, but woohoo, at least my conscience is clear this way! I just need to enjoy the warm glow of smug philantropic superiority, and not think too hard about the underlying causes of inequality!

In an age of widespread secularism, there's still a basic human need to go through rituals of cleansing, self-imposed hardship, and to give offerings to a higher good to improve your moral standing. 200 years ago most of this would have been done through the Church; nowadays we achieve the same things through charity. And, tellingly, both Churches and charities aren't short of money.
 

FamoFunk

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Some people prefer Animals to Humans? Or think it's a more worth while cause. People can donate to who they want, I Human charities probably still get hell of a lot more than Animal ones, too.

I don't donate regularly, I can't afford to, but I'll always throw money in to the box things when I have change, it's always a children's charity.
 

GiglameshSoulEater

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My history teacher brought up the fact that we spend tons of money on pets while people in other nations are left to starve.

We just have really shitty priorities I guess.
Not quite. Our governments give billions of [currency - dollars, pounds, etc] to less economically developed countries. That said, it doesn't nessecarily help them as much as we would think and can screw over the less fortunate in our own countries.

OT: Can't say I really donate personally to charity. If I did, I would help humans. Not animals. Humans are more important.
 

sharks9

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I sponsor a child in Africa which I think is a great use of money and only costs around a dollar a day which is pretty cheap and does a lot of good.

And yes, I would much rather donate to humans than to animals, they're way more important.
 

Spandexpanda

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Batou667 said:
I have two problems with big, commercial charities. One, why exactly are maltreated Peruvian donkeys more deserving of my money than amputees in Sierra Leone? How exactly am I supposed to justify giving to one charity while NOT giving to another, equally deserving cause? And secondly; that army of perky 20-somethings you pay to patrol the streets and jump in people's way while they're trying to do their shopping, the TV commercials, the glossy leaflets that get shoved through my letter box... where does the money come from to pay for all that? The Magical Money Factory which is fuelled by raised awareness, good vibes and unicorn farts, I suppose?
I'll just point out that the twenty-somethings who patrol the streets are paid a portion of what they manage to collect. Therefore, the charity gains free labour of people who are incentivised by their own wealth to collect money where there otherwise would be none. There's a marked difference between the depressed people you see collecting usually, and the young, bubbly people. Although I do disagree with the fact that people are essentially taking part of the charity money for themselves, I do see it makes economic sense for charitable organisations.

You make many good points though: I completely agree with your post.

sharks9 said:
I sponsor a child in Africa which I think is a great use of money and only costs around a dollar a day which is pretty cheap and does a lot of good.

And yes, I would much rather donate to humans than to animals, they're way more important.
Yeah, my parents sponsor a child in Africa too, I think it costs something like ?7 a month or so. I agree with your conclusion too.
 

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A small amount each month to a local child welfare charity whose founders I know personally. It would be dickish to not do so, really. I know exactly where the money goes because I get invited to the AGMs, and have actually seen some of the good work they do with it. The scale is tiny, maybe twenty, thirty needy kids helped in small ways each year, but it's a way of improving one's community with many microscopic pushes rather than one big, questionably effective shove.

A similar amount to a deaf childrens' charity that actually propositioned me on the doorstep. Which is a pretty unsafe thing to let yourself in for, I know, but I wasn't in the best of mental states at the time and wanted shot of them without being an asshole about it. I figured that I could just keep an eye on my bank account using my internet accounting facility and rapidly jump on anything untoward that happened, and research the organisation in the meantime. They turned up legit, and there was a profoundly deaf kid in my class at school who had a very rough time of it (and went a bit strange as a result) because of a lack of support, so I decided to let the direct debit continue. Again, it's something that will have a small and rather distributed effect, but a decidedly positive one all the same.

I also do my part with Childs' Play, with the nearest hospital to me on the map. Recognising a pattern? Helping those who most definitely can't help themselves, and keeping it fairly local (and in the latter case... I've worked in a childrens' hospital, I know how short they can be for new-ish, clean, fully functional toys...). In the latter two cases, not even meeting those involved, though they're nearby.

OK, CP isn't monthly, but it is annual. I also put in what small scrimp I can afford to the British Legion on their annual drive (these fellas ensured that I grew up in a peaceful and reasonably just world, and even that a couple of friends and distant family members got a chance at being born... we have a duty to look after them), and to Comic Relief/Children in Need when they come round (again, there's quite a few genuinely helpful and local projects they invest in, though a greater proportion of it is international - however, in this case, charity is most definitely starting at home).

Animal welfare ones, I don't get on board with so much. Not sure why. I can only stretch so far, for one, and I value human life more highly. Besides, if you really want to help out an animal protection charity or a shelter? Adopt one of their rescues and give it a good home, to take the pressure off... and drop off a crate of tinned food whilst you're at it.

Some people may feel differently to this. It's just an alternate opinion, yknow? They're not necessarily wrong, even though the rest of us may feel the money's better spent on our fellows. It's just a different kind of altruism - and maybe a form of penance, given that a large part of what animal welfare charities deal with is the fallout from human thoughtlessness, greed, or outright cruelty. EG rainforest destruction, or breeding dogs for pit fighting. We as a species have created that problem, it's kinda on us to fix it as well.
 

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I give money to 3 organizations. One of them is a local charity that helps people pay for pet care. I give money to the causes that are important to me and I assume others do the same. I don't have a need to justify my support to others. I'm just happy to be able to give money and that others are as well.
 

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My charity priority if I had sufficient income would be cancer research (due to both parents have been treated for cancer).

I understand why people prioritise animal charities because fluffy doggywoggies and cattikins are a lot cuter than malnourished children. Though why you can't donate to more than one charity is beyond me. It's humans who are the problem when it comes to neglected animals. I don't think donating money will make people less of arse holes. At least with human charities it does make a difference to a life.

With animals, if you care that deeply adopt an animal yourself.


Problem is that you have a lot of animals charities. They mostly do similar things. So donate to one of the main charities.

PS I'm always suspicious when a charity claim they don't get government support/funding. I want to know why/
 

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Based on the OP's posts, it seems like less of a genuine question based on confusion and more like an inquisition. I'm waiting for the "How DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE you donate to a non-human!" posts to be hurled.

I donate to no-kill animal shelters, a rescue for pit bulls and children's hospitals because I want to.
I love animals and I think people treat them badly. The animals get my money.
I hate kids, but I feel sorry for the sick ones. The kids get my money.

I hate to be blunt, but I honestly do not care about people in third world countries. There, I said it. I don't come from a well-to-do family, nor do I make copious amounts of cash I can just throw around, so I choose to donate to causes that I am interested in.


OP: Do YOU donate money? Or is it your FAMILY (specifically: your parents) that does? Not judging, just curious.
 

teebeeohh

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Because it's my money, and I want to spend it on animals (hypothetically, of course. I don't care about abandoned animals at all). Why do I spend money on movie tickets when I could be saving families in the third world? Why do I spend money on electricity? Why do I spend money on a Christmas gift for people I like, when that money could be spent saving lives?
thank you for making my point, the main reason people donate money is not to help anyone but themselves, by cleaning their conscience through convenient charitable acts.
 

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I donate money to the WWF, the World Wildlife Fund, and the ASPCA, but I also give money every month to support Tibetan monks in India. It's not necessarily, for me, a matter of, "I like animals more than humans." Or "I feel worse for the animals" or anything... It's just those are the foundations that really get to me and that I really... well... got attached to. Now, if someone in my family or a friend was diagnosed with Cancer, would I give money to help them, or others? Probably.

What it comes down to, I guess, is that I can't put all of my money in every cause, so I have to chose the ones I feel closest too. Which for me just happens to be those three. I don't think that's necessarily such a bad thing.
 

Soviet Steve

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Its easier to find money for cute animals than brown people or sick people seeing how the first are cute.
 

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The only charity I donate to is the charity of "I want that thing!" I'll give my coin change to unicef or whatever is at the counter of the store if I don't feel like keeping it. Other than that I don't go out of the way to donate.

and the Charity of "Fuck, Steam Sale."
 

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teebeeohh said:
dyre said:
Because it's my money, and I want to spend it on animals (hypothetically, of course. I don't care about abandoned animals at all). Why do I spend money on movie tickets when I could be saving families in the third world? Why do I spend money on electricity? Why do I spend money on a Christmas gift for people I like, when that money could be spent saving lives?
thank you for making my point, the main reason people donate money is not to help anyone but themselves, by cleaning their conscience through convenient charitable acts.
You say that like it's a bad thing. If the act of "cleaning your conscience" results in saving the lives of starving people, what's the problem?

Also, I don't think anyone really has enough information on the cultural/psychological motivations for charity to make that claim.
 

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Spandexpanda said:
dyre said:
If the Indian charity (or, the inner city exposure to culture one) and the animal charity are both of less importance than the disaster relief charity, then why is it ok to donate to one but not the other? After all, they are both lesser causes that people feel personally attached to.
I apologise if I came across as twisting your words, I merely replied as I understood your comment to read.

Well personally, I wouldn't donate to either of them, but I can more understand why some people would donate to the humanitarian charity as it still helps the less fortunate human population. Gosh, I'm coming across as a human supremacist now (well, I guess most people in the world are) but still. In my view, donating to help humans is pretty much always going to trump donating to animals, unless they're endangered, and then they would be equally valuable to a minor humanitarian charity, such as the educational one.
I happen to support your view that "donating to help humans is pretty much always going to trump donating to animals," but the important thing is, it's just our view. It's not backed by a moral or philosophical code, but just by our personal disposition to be human supremacists. If someone else feels more inclined to help animals, we have only our emotions to tell us that they've got their priorities mixed up.
 

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dyre said:
I happen to support your view that "donating to help humans is pretty much always going to trump donating to animals," but the important thing is, it's just our view. It's not backed by a moral or philosophical code, but just by our personal disposition to be human supremacists. If someone else feels more inclined to help animals, we have only our emotions to tell us that they've got their priorities mixed up.
I agree totally.

I think I'd feel too guilty if I knew that a stray dog was wandering around the place instead of someone's child *being given urgently needed medical help*. That's obviously a very emotional sentiment, but yeah.

*EDITED: for clarity
 

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dyre said:
teebeeohh said:
dyre said:
Because it's my money, and I want to spend it on animals (hypothetically, of course. I don't care about abandoned animals at all). Why do I spend money on movie tickets when I could be saving families in the third world? Why do I spend money on electricity? Why do I spend money on a Christmas gift for people I like, when that money could be spent saving lives?
thank you for making my point, the main reason people donate money is not to help anyone but themselves, by cleaning their conscience through convenient charitable acts.
You say that like it's a bad thing. If the act of "cleaning your conscience" results in saving the lives of starving people, what's the problem?

Also, I don't think anyone really has enough information on the cultural/psychological motivations for charity to make that claim.
no problem,just saying we are all a bunch of hypocrites, it's good to remind people of that less they go into "holier than thou"-mode.
and since when has a lack of information stopped people making outrageous claims?
 

dyre

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teebeeohh said:
dyre said:
teebeeohh said:
dyre said:
Because it's my money, and I want to spend it on animals (hypothetically, of course. I don't care about abandoned animals at all). Why do I spend money on movie tickets when I could be saving families in the third world? Why do I spend money on electricity? Why do I spend money on a Christmas gift for people I like, when that money could be spent saving lives?
thank you for making my point, the main reason people donate money is not to help anyone but themselves, by cleaning their conscience through convenient charitable acts.
You say that like it's a bad thing. If the act of "cleaning your conscience" results in saving the lives of starving people, what's the problem?

Also, I don't think anyone really has enough information on the cultural/psychological motivations for charity to make that claim.
no problem,just saying we are all a bunch of hypocrites, it's good to remind people of that less they go into "holier than thou"-mode.
and since when has a lack of information stopped people making outrageous claims?
well, most people I know who donate (myself included) don't get all "holier than thou;" it's just the media that likes to shout "Look at this ridiculously wealthy celebrity and how he's donating to charity! Isn't that wonderful!?!!!"

and well, just as long as you admit your claim is outrageous, I guess that's fine :p

Spandexpanda said:
dyre said:
I happen to support your view that "donating to help humans is pretty much always going to trump donating to animals," but the important thing is, it's just our view. It's not backed by a moral or philosophical code, but just by our personal disposition to be human supremacists. If someone else feels more inclined to help animals, we have only our emotions to tell us that they've got their priorities mixed up.
I agree totally.

I think I'd feel too guilty if I knew that a stray dog was wandering around the place instead of someone's child. That's obviously a very emotional sentiment, but yeah.
Yup, just an emotion, albeit a popular one (I assume you mean you wouldn't feel too guilty if a dog suffered instead of a child). But anyways, I hope now you understand why some people donate to animals? They just have different emotions :p