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Trolldor

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I don't give a flying fuck about what they've done with the inventory or the combat. I couldn't care less how "streamlined" they want to make it.
The reason I've no interest in getting Mass Effect 3 is that the last two games they've released have dissappointed me story-wise. Their characters have been dull. The designs have been stagnant.
Bioware is a company renowned for the character of its games, for all those elements that make an atmosphere. That is what made those games great. People still talk about the original Baldur's Gate games, and it has little to nothing to do with the gameplay. People still talk about those games because of the world, because of your interaction with it. Because you can steal a man's golden pantaloons in Baldur's Gate 1 and combine it with two different pairs of Pantaloons (bronze and silver respectively) in Baldur's Gate 2 to create one of the best armors in the game. It's an oddity you're rewarded for sticking with. You can invest in characters and develop romances that trigger based on the time you spend with one another, not how far in the plot you are. Every town has a story, has a life.
Bioware's focus on gameplay over story have seen their products suffer where they matter and have always mattered the most.


Also, fuck those James Cameron elves in DA2. Seriously. Fuck those pointy, plate-faced fluff sniffers. I doubt they could have fucked up Elf design any more than they did.
 

Azure-Supernova

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Finally someone else who feels the same way I do about Bioware's most recent ventures. I remain silent however as I do not wish to be lynched by the community.
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
Finally someone else who feels the same way I do about Bioware's most recent ventures. I remain silent however as I do not wish to be lynched by the community.
... Are you in the same Escapist as I am?

I still haven't tried DA 2, but no matter how I make of it, I'll still try out ME3 when it comes out.
 

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Sober Thal said:
Tell us how you really feel.

EDIT: Never mind, I shouldn't have posted in this 'I hate Bioware' thread.

Cheers!
Where did I say hate?

If anything I'm dissappointed.
 

Azure-Supernova

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Simple Bluff said:
Azure-Supernova said:
Finally someone else who feels the same way I do about Bioware's most recent ventures. I remain silent however as I do not wish to be lynched by the community.
... Are you in the same Escapist as I am?
Yes, I'm pretty sure I'm in the Escapist that has a lot of Bioware fans...
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
Simple Bluff said:
Azure-Supernova said:
Finally someone else who feels the same way I do about Bioware's most recent ventures. I remain silent however as I do not wish to be lynched by the community.
... Are you in the same Escapist as I am?
Yes, I'm pretty sure I'm in the Escapist that has a lot of Bioware fans...
Nah those are just people that call themselves fans so they can put themselves in the victim role and act all wronged and betrayed.
 

Trolldor

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Sober Thal said:
Trolldor said:
Sober Thal said:
Tell us how you really feel.

EDIT: Never mind, I shouldn't have posted in this 'I hate Bioware' thread.

Cheers!
Where did I say hate?

If anything I'm dissappointed.
Sorry, I read between the lines (all the fucks and goddamn) and assumed you have some hate goin on. My bad.
Stop reading between the lines. I positvely oozed adulation when I mentioned Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. I used to love Bioware, but it stopped treating me right when Isabella showed up black wearing a pillow case.
 

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Haven't played DA2 yet, but the first was definitely not perfect, and was a chore to play in parts, still haven't finished awakening.

Mass Effect is awesome though, not sure how you can argue about the characters, ok in the first one they could have been better(hands up if you hated Ashley) but the second one had the greatest cast ever, Mordin Solus is one of the best characters ever, and Jack, Garrus the fucking legend, he was way better in the second than in the first, Tali the sweetheart, lots of characters to like and sink your teeth into. Even the less awesome character were still good with a decent amount of depth to them.

The story seemed awesome to me, never been more excited to finish a game before playing that, that sounds like a story success to me. Its even been fleshed out in comics and books, not sure where the complaints come from. Is it not Star Wars enough or something? I love the Mass Effect galaxy, star wars was never my thing but this galaxy seems more 'personalized' to my tastes than others have, maybe thats because of Sheppard dialogue so that he always feels like 'your' Sheppard.

They aren't without flaw, the hub worlds have kind of sucked, but its still miles better than most games. Your opinion is valid but serious what are you expectations here dude.
 

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Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
so you are saying they should fours more on story then gameplay?


thats bad
First, I'm assuming that was supposed to be "focus".

Second, I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. Is that sarcasm?
 

Azure-Supernova

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Nimcha said:
Azure-Supernova said:
Simple Bluff said:
Azure-Supernova said:
Finally someone else who feels the same way I do about Bioware's most recent ventures. I remain silent however as I do not wish to be lynched by the community.
... Are you in the same Escapist as I am?
Yes, I'm pretty sure I'm in the Escapist that has a lot of Bioware fans...
Nah those are just people that call themselves fans so they can put themselves in the victim role and act all wronged and betrayed.
Oh awesome, in which case Jade Empire was the last thing Bioware made that was worth my money :D

Feels good.
 

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i agree with you that they are taking a direction which can go wrong, but also can go right. personally i think that mass effect 2 is a better game then ME1. you can disagree with it, but i think that ME2 was better in every way. it played better, there were more really interresting characters. the action wsa great. they had soem tweaks with talking to people. it was just great.

adn with DA2 i can see why people think its lesser the DAO. the combat system was way better though, more fun to play, and still tactic on the higher levels, but there were few orginal levels there were some problems with spawing enemies, what took you out of the experinience. and indeed, soem characters were lame in DA2. there were some who were golden, but most were pretty generic. the main problem i had with the game, was the invertory system. why cant i give gear to my party? and why would i need stars to see what is better. and the only decision you had when you had chosen your class, was what kind of weapon you wanted. which gear you needed was always the same.

and for ME3? i find it weird they want to take out the stats from the game, cause to my idea there were never so many stats to begin with.... so yeah, i do fear that the game only will be action-talking. but we can'[t be sure till we see it.

oh yeah, to be said, i never played baldur's gate, but if you like it so much, why don't you play that?
 

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To me, the first Mass Effect was their last game that resembled any sort of quality or design. But hey, we can mostly thank EA for that, considering that they've been rushing release dates and putting most of their word into it.
 
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Trolldor said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fuck yeah! Another Bioware hate thread!

Those don't get boring at all.
Protip: Read OP before commenting.
I did. My point still stands.

You don't like what Bioware has done lately, fair enough, but I happen to think the character interaction and 'inside jokes' in the Dragon Age and Mass Effect universes is great.

So you're bitching about Bioware not making games tailored to you anymore. That's not very self entitled is it?
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
Nimcha said:
Azure-Supernova said:
Simple Bluff said:
Azure-Supernova said:
Finally someone else who feels the same way I do about Bioware's most recent ventures. I remain silent however as I do not wish to be lynched by the community.
... Are you in the same Escapist as I am?
Yes, I'm pretty sure I'm in the Escapist that has a lot of Bioware fans...
Nah those are just people that call themselves fans so they can put themselves in the victim role and act all wronged and betrayed.
Oh awesome, in which case Jade Empire was the last thing Bioware made that was worth my money :D

Feels good.
Yeah that's a pretty great game, I've only finished it a couple of weeks ago. The graphics don't age well though. :(