"Good Samaritan" Killed During Nintendo DS Robbery

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DVS BSTrD said:
Never bring a bat to a gun fight and NEVER underestimate the stupidity and greed of others.
gmaverick019 said:
in b4 gun law explosion flame*
Hey, Guns don't kill people, Nintendo DSs do!
ah stop reminding me of jon lajoie's awesome videos, i might have to go watch his videos now -_-
 

Shinsei-J

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That's just to sad, four idiots who have not even experienced life in full are now going to jail for one of the most horrible crimes around.
(The wrong place wrong time pore guy)
My condolences to the family of the man who tried to stop the fight.
 

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Kyogissun said:
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anthony87 said:
Kopikatsu said:
anthony87 said:
Kill the bastards. Forget their ages.

People like that are a waste of oxygen.
Well, yes. I have to agree that they should be executed.

The point of prison is to remove people who can't/won't function in society, from society. However, killing someone over a $100 game system is...beyond 'can't function'.
Wow...to be honest I was expecting to be blasted with people saying how horrible I am for thinking such a thing and so on and so forth.

I'm quite plesantly surprised.
Well, eh. Most people probably will. I just happen to be of the small 'Life is a privilege that can be revoked' crowd.

Besides, isn't death preferable to rotting in a small prison cell for the rest of your life? (Some might argue that is 'just punishment', but they're just eating up resources. Might as well kill them and be done with it.)
I dunno, a more suitable punishment would be having to live with the knowledge of their failure to value human life as long as they live. He made the decision to take another person's life, why should he get the sweet release that a lot of those people desire? That's not exactly FAIR to the life of the person who was taken, is it?

Provided the kid is you know, mentally sane and realizes what he's done. Course, he probably could commit suicide long before that but eh, I don't think that SOB deserves the escape of death so soon. He needs to sit and rot for a bit so he can 'truly' have enough time for his mind to beat into him what a fucked up little person he is.

Again, provided the kid is sane. If he's some sociopath loony bin needing idiot, then yes, go ahead and give him the death penalty.

Might get some backlash myself for the more cruel and dark way of thinking but I'm just throwing in my two cents, don't take it too seriously folks. Approach this post with the thought that I was kinda taking the 'devil's advocate' perspective, if you will.
That's my point, though. Letting him live would just waste space/resources. In California, it costs $50,000 to take care of one prisoner for one year.

One bullet costs less than $5.

You see which is more cost effective, no?
 
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Kyogissun said:
Kopikatsu said:
anthony87 said:
Kopikatsu said:
anthony87 said:
Kill the bastards. Forget their ages.

People like that are a waste of oxygen.
Well, yes. I have to agree that they should be executed.

The point of prison is to remove people who can't/won't function in society, from society. However, killing someone over a $100 game system is...beyond 'can't function'.
Wow...to be honest I was expecting to be blasted with people saying how horrible I am for thinking such a thing and so on and so forth.

I'm quite plesantly surprised.
Well, eh. Most people probably will. I just happen to be of the small 'Life is a privilege that can be revoked' crowd.

Besides, isn't death preferable to rotting in a small prison cell for the rest of your life? (Some might argue that is 'just punishment', but they're just eating up resources. Might as well kill them and be done with it.)
I dunno, a more suitable punishment would be having to live with the knowledge of their failure to value human life as long as they live. He made the decision to take another person's life, why should he get the sweet release that a lot of those people desire? That's not exactly FAIR to the life of the person who was taken, is it?

Provided the kid is you know, mentally sane and realizes what he's done. Course, he probably could commit suicide long before that but eh, I don't think that SOB deserves the escape of death so soon. He needs to sit and rot for a bit so he can 'truly' have enough time for his mind to beat into him what a fucked up little person he is.

Again, provided the kid is sane. If he's some sociopath loony bin needing idiot, then yes, go ahead and give him the death penalty.

Might get some backlash myself for the more cruel and dark way of thinking but I'm just throwing in my two cents, don't take it too seriously folks. Approach this post with the thought that I was kinda taking the 'devil's advocate' perspective, if you will.
i would agree with this except for

he is taking up food/resources.

he is guaranteed food and a bed every day of his life now, while people starve and live in agony every day aren't guaranteed such rights. so in the reason i just stated, i'd say fuck that fuck, he doesn't deserve the sweet release of 3 hots and a cot.
 

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anthony87 said:
Kill the bastards. Forget their ages.

People like that are a waste of oxygen.
Indeed. Forget oxygen - do you know how much resources these space-wasters are going to consume over the course of their lives? Give the little turds a terminal jolt each (or, better yet, beat them to death with a DS), and donate everything they would have foreseeably consumed for a set amount of years to come to a small African village.
 

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mental_looney said:
Truly a horrible crime, seems lucky more people were not shot as it was in a shopping centre, raises the question how they got a hold of a gun in the first place.
Considering it's LA, it probably wasn't hard. Likely bought the gun from a gang kid one of them knew.
 

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Agayek said:
mental_looney said:
Truly a horrible crime, seems lucky more people were not shot as it was in a shopping centre, raises the question how they got a hold of a gun in the first place.
Considering it's LA, it probably wasn't hard. Likely bought the gun from a gang kid one of them knew.
Relevant:
We have more juveniles serving life sentences than in California than in any other state. More than 2600 juveniles are serving life sentences for crimes committed when they were under the age of 18 and if you calculate out the cost, using the 50-grand a year and then the 150-grand after they each reach the age of 55, you're going to be looking at $6.4 billion to have those 2600 juveniles to serve out a life sentence in prison.
 

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Honestly this sounds premeditated. Gang Bangers can be very young today, sometimes as young as 11 or 12. The very fact that they brought a gun to a meeting to buy a video game (and that there were 4 of them) makes me wonder.

If I had to guess this is probably about something else, but everyone said it was over the DS based on the fact that nobody on either side wants to be associated with what it's actually about. Probably drugs.

This might not have been a drug deal (cash for drugs on the spot) but about money owed for drugs. I could easily see some kid owing money to some other kids dealing drugs, not having it, and then trying to pay the debt by offering them his DS or something. To an observer it might have seemed like they were argueing over selling the DS or whatever. It's also possible that they tried to rob him of it without accepting it as credit towards the debt to make an example.

This is all speculation, I don't know anything, but like with a lot of cases like this, I have to think there is more to the story. Four kids showing up for something like this (if it was as claimed) and one of them has a gun?

We do live in a world where there was once a kid knifed by another kid out to steal his Pokemon cards, but even so a legitimate attempt to sell a DS gone bad... with gunplay, strikes me as being a bit hard to believe. We'll have to see what happenes after it's been investigated and goes to court (if we ever hear about it).

Either way, I feel bad for the samaritan with the bat.

I'll also say that like anothe responder I'm a Heinlan fan, and agree with him on a lot of things, including his stance on criminal justice. :)
 

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No remorse. I mean he shot the other kid in the leg trying to get away. This is truly one of the most horrible crimes I ever heard of.
 

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What's the betting one of those kids is going to pull the "But society made me this way!" card!

Bullshit! I don't care where you grew up or who your parents were. If you're willing to shoot someone dead over a fucking DS, then you are the problem, clear and simple.
 

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Things like that could be avoided, the kid should've calmly given in to their demands, wait for them to clear off and call the police. The good samaritan should've stayed away from there and call the police, instead he's dead and his family its now is struggling due to the recent loss.
And all of this because of a DS, something that you can easily get with some hard legal work.
 

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never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Vinnie Jones, Lock Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels.

Words that ring true to this event.


esperandote said:
Life in adult prision for the shooter and the one that took the gun (if not the same). Something less harsh for the others.
Aiding and abetting in a murder is what they would be charged with here in the UK and also carries a life sentence.

They knew the gun was being carried and did nothing to stop it, they are just as guilty.

Back to topic.

Usually I poke fun at crimes relating to gaming. Most of them are quite amusing but this one, it has no funny side.

I'm not going to bang on about "faith in humanity" thats beating a dead horse and has become Cliché, and I really hate that phrase.

What I do think is sad is a group of little pricks pulling a gun out over a DS.

Only 2 words can describe my thoughts on those people, fucking pathetic.
 

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Dear United States,

Stop being fucking mental all the time. It's impossible to take advice from you on morality and values when your laws allow shit like this to happen ALL THE TIME.

Sincerely, the rest of the world.
 

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I don't get the need for the gun if it was four people against one. What, was the gun for needed insurance? And where did the guy with the bat come from? An alley somewhere? "So I was just practicing my pitches to get into the league in the cafe nearby and noticed a man in trouble!"

Next we're going to find that the kids get away with it because "They were defending themselves from a guy who was trying to kill them with a bat."
 

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Quaidis said:
I don't get the need for the gun if it was four people against one. What, was the gun for needed insurance? And where did the guy with the bat come from? An alley somewhere? "So I was just practicing my pitches to get into the league in the cafe nearby and noticed a man in trouble!"

Next we're going to find that the kids get away with it because "They were defending themselves from a guy who was trying to kill them with a bat."
I think "Stand your ground" laws don't exist in Cali, and they didn't fill the " Duty To Retreat", from the looks of the story.

Oh, and cue the debate about guns yet again.
 

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Okay, I can't wrap my head around this.
You brought a gun with you, to buy a fucking 150$ video game?
'the hell is this kid?
 

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If they're willing to kill over a nintendo DS (only 1 unit too so I don't know how they would go about sharing it between them)then they were doomed from day 1. I'm just glad we found these pricks.

One person died, which is more than tragic considering the circumstances. However, many more could have been saved from them doing something like rob a bank or do a school shooting. These kids need a good long spin behind bars.
 

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midknight129 said:
mental_looney said:
Truly a horrible crime, seems lucky more people were not shot as it was in a shopping centre, raises the question how they got a hold of a gun in the first place.
How did 4 teenage punks manage to get a gun? Seriously? The better question is why did 4 of them manage to come up with ONLY ONE.
Trouble is its easy for criminals to get guns. The gun control laws in place do little to stem to tide of illegal guns, they only really punish responsible and legal gun owners. This story is just further proof. California has some of, if not the harshest (New York, where I live is a close contender), gun laws in the country. Doesn't seem to have helped.
 

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This is the sort of shit that makes me just look down and shake my head in shame. Quick look on eBay a DS is going used for about 30 bucks. Killed someone, facing a long time in jail, will never get a job anywhere decent, and pretty much fucked his life up forever, all over something that you could buy with cash you would find stuffed in an old pair of jeans.