Rift was not fun. To be fair I only played it for about four hours during beta, and did not PvP at all. Nothing made me want to see more. I don't see it "beating" anything, just being another alternative on the table in a genre of samey fantasy-stricken MMOs. WoW will die of natural causes when it gets old enough.
Goodbye World of Warcraft, hello Rift?
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AD&D had:conflictofinterests said:
Fighter
Paladin
Cleric
Magic-User
Thief
Assassin
Illusionist
Bard
Monk
Plus hybrid classes such as:
Fighter/Magic-User
Fighter/Thief
And so on
The top 9 had their own distinct entries in the Players Manual.
9>4
I was almost certain all but the top 4 came under something else's book when they got their own books... Maybe it was original D&D I was thinking of... Oh well, Rift basically has all of those classes, just categorized under 4 main themes.SL33TBL1ND said:
EDIT: Not arguing that Rift is GOOD, mind you. Far be it from that. Just that it's not devoid of SOME variation in character creation.
Yeah, you're thinking of original D&D there. Honestly I didn't even mean anything by the post you first quoted, I just thought what the guy said was funny. I know practically nothing about Rift besides the snippets I've heard from people who tried it.conflictofinterests said:
That is a good example of why I don't play WoW either.mechanixis said:I'm sorry, but this is too ironic...Corum1134 said:Here you go.Xzi said:Now go crawl back into your cave, troll.
That's from WoW. Both games contain areas of dreaded nightmare hue called brown. In all honesty, part of the reason I quit WoW (after about 10 levels) is that I reached the Barrens, and found it depressingly bleak and lifeless.
Really, this is stupid. Why is brown inherently horrible? Why does it ruin games? If a game only drew colors from the neon-pink spectrum, would that somehow be better than brown? I think what people are really concerned about is a lack of variety, and both games have pretty definitely displayed that they have variety.
Judging by how well the original D&D character creation was recieved, it should be a blockbuster in about thirty years.SL33TBL1ND said:
Judging by how well I liked it, it should take at LEAST that long, yeah. Bleh, that beta was no fun. Didn't help that I don't like MMO's, but hey.
You must like the Wii a lot then. That and Bioshock compose about the only games that aren't devoid of 90% of the color spectrum.Corum1134 said:That is a good example of why I don't play WoW either.mechanixis said:I'm sorry, but this is too ironic...Corum1134 said:Here you go.Xzi said:Now go crawl back into your cave, troll.
That's from WoW. Both games contain areas of dreaded nightmare hue called brown. In all honesty, part of the reason I quit WoW (after about 10 levels) is that I reached the Barrens, and found it depressingly bleak and lifeless.
Really, this is stupid. Why is brown inherently horrible? Why does it ruin games? If a game only drew colors from the neon-pink spectrum, would that somehow be better than brown? I think what people are really concerned about is a lack of variety, and both games have pretty definitely displayed that they have variety.
Personally, I didn't care for WoWs story or lore (except that surrounding EPL and Stratholme), but obviously people like games for different reasons. Some people like WoW to collect pets or finish a raid instance, I like to explore new areas and level, like WoW's expansions gave me, but Rift is giving me now, which brings me to..Cowabungaa said:
I hear the next one isn't out for about a year, have fun grinding those justice points. Though in all honesty I'll probably be back for WoWs next expansion, end game raiding just doesn't do it for me any more.Cowabungaa said:
Just gonna pop right in here and say it.
It's a copy of WoW like Saints Row 2 is a copy of GTA4. But which one of the two does more justice to the original/older source material? The next version or the copy?
Own Opinion, not unbiased logic: The game is 'fun'. Something we used to have before people pretended to be serious about everything. This coming from a formerly upper tier raider from WoW and all that hallaballo.
Enjoyment. I /missed/ that.
Honestly, that excuse is stupidly contrite at this point, WoW having assembled a rogue's gallery for the playerbase to pick off unceremoniously. In Cataclysm, the recent expansion, we'll know that there'll be this jerkoff who'll make cheeky appearances throughout the expansion before the final confrontation, and then die, his/her/it's pressence never to be heard of in the same loathing again.
So yeah.
It's a copy of WoW like Saints Row 2 is a copy of GTA4. But which one of the two does more justice to the original/older source material? The next version or the copy?
Only without Bobby Kotick doing a Martha Stuart?Lord Moustache said:
Own Opinion, not unbiased logic: The game is 'fun'. Something we used to have before people pretended to be serious about everything. This coming from a formerly upper tier raider from WoW and all that hallaballo.
Enjoyment. I /missed/ that.
Trying something new with a couple inspirations automatically entails failure. Like Mass Effect and what comics do to each other, being the giagantic failures they were.Cowabungaa said:
Honestly, that excuse is stupidly contrite at this point, WoW having assembled a rogue's gallery for the playerbase to pick off unceremoniously. In Cataclysm, the recent expansion, we'll know that there'll be this jerkoff who'll make cheeky appearances throughout the expansion before the final confrontation, and then die, his/her/it's pressence never to be heard of in the same loathing again.
So yeah.
The problem with an idea like this is that if a serious community does spring up around the game, particularly regarding the endgame content, then the theory crafters will, in all likelyhood, come out of the wood work and figure out what the optimal combinations and specs are and boom, there goes the variety.Xzi said:
I could be wrong about that, but as someone that used to play their Rogue in WoW quite seriously, looking at the various rogue talent trees for Rift I'm seeing so very little that is new. A lot of the talents look like abilities Rogue (or Hunter) talent trees used to have before Blizz streamlined things in Cataclysm, or are abilities that Rogues (or Hunters) learn from trainers in WoW. They even use combo points and energy... I suppose if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but you'd think they'd at least TRY to put their own spin on it...
ow puh-lease, the term "wow-killer" should be non excistent... WoW won't die unless Blizzard pulls the plug.
Ok class let's repeat the lessons we had sofar: "No MMO will beat WoW"
There honestly isn't an MMO out there that doesn't look spectacular next to WoW, but they still haven't got a chance against the well seated titan.
And how many times will people blabber the empty "this is a WoW killer" claims, thousands have tried and noone even put a dent into the WoW fan base.
There honestly isn't an MMO out there that doesn't look spectacular next to WoW, but they still haven't got a chance against the well seated titan.
And how many times will people blabber the empty "this is a WoW killer" claims, thousands have tried and noone even put a dent into the WoW fan base.
Why can there be only one? Can they BOTH just not be fun MMO's? What annoys me is every game just ends up being exactly like wow, and I figure why play a wow clone when I can play wow with my friends? If a game was a different MMO I would play it for a nice change of pace.
There are other mmorpgs out there that differ from wow far more then rift does. I played this one game that came out before wow and is still somewhat alive. I eventually had enough of it because to stole too much stuff from wow and if i wanted to play WoW, i'd play WoW. We had instances and Battlegrounds. But this game was scifi, so the battlegrounds where Battlestations. Innovative.
And there was the grind. Which i don't like all that much, but it is found in pretty much every mmorpg. After seven years of mmogrind, i've had enough to last a lifetime.
In the meantime, i played "oblivion" which thankfully rescued me from mmorpg grinding.
No People who will constantly search for some loophole in the game mechanics with the sole aim to ruin your experience. I liked the community in my game, but you'll find these people everywhere. Well, in single player games you don't.
You also wont level backwards. Sure, mmos will have your numbers climb up, but in comparison to the creatures you fight, you get weaker and weaker until you reach a point where can do nothing alone. Maybe this character was a twink once, made for the levelscaled midlevel instance which he then cleared out himself. When he raises in levels, the character wont be able to do that again. The character will need help of a team. Later, that team will have consist of certain characterclasses.
In the endgame, only good teams with a fast TC (Target Caller), a good RL (Raid leader) and tanks with maximized taunts to keep aggro from the DDs (Damage Dealer) and the healers will get anything done.
I'd be surprised if Rift didn't do this.
Single player games wont. I was surprised how fast my XP bar was climbing. I get this good piece of armor without having to teamgrind hard as rock bosses who drop items that i then have to craft into something that can teleport me into an instance where i have to defeat a boss which drops something that i have to craft into my new shiny armor?
In singleplayer games, you can find loopholes that could totally break your game. And you don't have to report them to some GM and then get banned because he thought you where using that loophole. How could you have found it otherwise?
Well, my mmorpg days are over. Good Riddance i say.
And there was the grind. Which i don't like all that much, but it is found in pretty much every mmorpg. After seven years of mmogrind, i've had enough to last a lifetime.
In the meantime, i played "oblivion" which thankfully rescued me from mmorpg grinding.
No People who will constantly search for some loophole in the game mechanics with the sole aim to ruin your experience. I liked the community in my game, but you'll find these people everywhere. Well, in single player games you don't.
You also wont level backwards. Sure, mmos will have your numbers climb up, but in comparison to the creatures you fight, you get weaker and weaker until you reach a point where can do nothing alone. Maybe this character was a twink once, made for the levelscaled midlevel instance which he then cleared out himself. When he raises in levels, the character wont be able to do that again. The character will need help of a team. Later, that team will have consist of certain characterclasses.
In the endgame, only good teams with a fast TC (Target Caller), a good RL (Raid leader) and tanks with maximized taunts to keep aggro from the DDs (Damage Dealer) and the healers will get anything done.
I'd be surprised if Rift didn't do this.
Single player games wont. I was surprised how fast my XP bar was climbing. I get this good piece of armor without having to teamgrind hard as rock bosses who drop items that i then have to craft into something that can teleport me into an instance where i have to defeat a boss which drops something that i have to craft into my new shiny armor?
In singleplayer games, you can find loopholes that could totally break your game. And you don't have to report them to some GM and then get banned because he thought you where using that loophole. How could you have found it otherwise?
Well, my mmorpg days are over. Good Riddance i say.