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Johnnyallstar

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Anakri said:
3:Like any person (thats smarter then a sack of bricks) he would look after his country and countrymen just as we would look after our family and homes.
You assume that intelligence=benevolence. I think Hitler, Stalin, and Lenin were incredibly intelligent to pull off what they did, but they were all narcissists bent on personal power rather than the growth of the country.
Also, anyone trying to say that socialism is better for *any* economy should look at how well it fares. Never has lasted more than 80 years without full collapse or needing capitalism injected for survival.
 

L.B. Jeffries

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Kings and Dictatorships are the most efficient and productive ASSUMING you have a good ruler in place. Two issues typically come up: finding the right person for the job and making sure people obey them instead of getting stabby.

Democracies and Senates are the most fair and keep everyone happy, but they're slow as Hell. They're also so watered down and full of so many differing views that ultimately no one is pissed or unhappy, they just sorta get by. And God Help you if a war gets fired up or a foreign nation starts talking crap, because they're just going to debate it while everyone is getting killed.

Communism and Socialism work once you have the infrastructure to support it. In the case of Russia, you kinda had the idea going without the factories and farms to support it. The problem is that once you install the system, people stop really developing and trying to progress. They don't make anymore money, so why bother to innovate or create things that aren't ordered by the government?

So they all have their ups and downs. America is a merger between a dictatorship and a Senate with a smattering of socialism. Unfortunately, the free market is mostly turning out to be a crock of garbage. Capitalism, as Marx said it would, does not breed innovation. One of the prime reasons for the economic collapse is that investors stopped doing anything risky and invested all their money in something as stupid as debt and interest. Sure, it made money, but a f***ing ten year old could have figured out that this can't last in the long run.

So, to conclude this rant, they're probably going to figure out a way to make capitalism run perpetually or just adopt a nationalized form of capitalism like China. Either way, I recommend learning to be productive in the near future.
 

nekolux

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Dugarel said:
"Those who would give up a little liberty for a little security, deserve neither and will lose both." Benjamin Franklin.
You know i really would like to ask ben frank what he really meant by that quote or rather how he would go about backing up such a statement. If you had someone close to you, shot to death for no reason except some guys with guns were high. Wouldn't you give up your right to a gun and in return take away anyone else's right to a gun? And see the thing is, it makes perfect sense. Take away the guns and should it come to fisticuffs you know you can at least beat the living shit out of some dudes who can't even think coherently. Also police could be given more power to wield their weapons. Like the old police forces in UK, give them smack and they'd smack you the face. Hard.
 

JRCB

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I find that large, corrupt governments are overrated. We should go back to nomadic tribes!
 

thePyro_13

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Benjamin's quote fails because you know damn well that country's without assault rifles available to the public have less gun related deaths.

Ask me if want to be robbed by a guy who owns an assault rifles or who owns a knife. If things go tits-up and he wants to kill you anyway, you can run away from someone with a knife(they have to catch you first) you cannot outrun bullet.
 

L.B. Jeffries

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nekolux said:
Dugarel said:
"Those who would give up a little liberty for a little security, deserve neither and will lose both." Benjamin Franklin.
You know i really would like to ask ben frank what he really meant by that quote or rather how he would go about backing up such a statement. If you had someone close to you, shot to death for no reason except some guys with guns were high. Wouldn't you give up your right to a gun and in return take away anyone else's right to a gun? And see the thing is, it makes perfect sense. Take away the guns and should it come to fisticuffs you know you can at least beat the living shit out of some dudes who can't even think coherently. Also police could be given more power to wield their weapons. Like the old police forces in UK, give them smack and they'd smack you the face. Hard.
Ben wouldn't say anything, Samuel Johnson said that. He was also attacking the conservative British government for their defense of a ridiculous war. And technically the quote is mangled, he said that those who hide behind nationalism to justify wars don't deserve security or justice.
 

oktalist

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Socialism is like super-strength democracy. Those people who're talking like it's a split choice between the two, or who're advocating a "compromise" between the two, are being ridiculous. Socialism depends upon democracy. The two are inexorably linked. Without democracy, it cannot correctly be called socialism.

Personally I think capitalism has run its course.
 

Erana

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A nomadic, uncivilized culture (lack of written language) is ultimately the best for people and the Earth itself.

Otherwize, democracy.
 

Berethond

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Well, I must say, Communism was an absolutely beautiful idea, it's just impossible to put into practice.

I like Erana's answer too.
 

rekabdarb

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Communism is the best, but in reality it isn't

honestly, there really isn't a "Best" government style, its just a matter of opinion

but i say authoritative dictatorship
 

Flying-Emu

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nekolux said:
... Socialism is a strictly economic belief. There is no socialist legal system.

If you mean murders from capitalism, maybe. But that's a stretch.

I'm going with L.B. Jeffries; a king/queen system undoubtedly works best.