Grandpa Tastes Concrete Over Videogames

[RagTagBand]

"Choking on his own blood" - Really. Care to point out where in the video he's choking? The guy isn't even fucking conscious, I've watched the whole video and I didn't see even the weakest of coughs.

Secondly, taking suspects to ground is common practice in every police force i've ever seen if they're resisting arrest. Occasionally someone is going to hit their face if they don't have the bright Idea to turn their face away when they go down, something which is an instinctive response so you shouldn't even have to think about it.

Thirdly, well done for pretty much everyone here literally inventing excuses for the guy. It's one thing to agree with the eyewitnesses (who aren't reliable and are doing the same shit you guys are) but to actually pull an excuse out of your asses? Brilliant. Nowhere is it mentioned, or hinted at, or is any reason given to think he's putting store products down his pants because he's buying it for his grandson and he doesn't want them to see it. But if you want to do it, so will I.

He was putting it down his pants so he had both hands free to beat his grandson!
He was putting it down his pants because that's how he gets his rocks off!
His grandson wanted it, but Grandpa doesn't have the money and can't work piratebay, so He was putting it down his pants so he could steal it!

This isn't nearly the limit of problems I have with this presentation of the story, but i'm already bored of typing.

I know the OWS protests have shown some pretty hefty police brutality recently but try not to be mindless fucking sheep. Not every cop is out to beat the crap out of you for no reason, Not every person who gets injured during arrest is completely innocent and peaceful and hysterical eye witnesses with phone cameras are not professional journalists. Try and look at things with a slightly more critical, less reactionary way, okay children?

 

[NEREVAR117]

Is anyone else terrified that some people in the thread have actually agreed with the officer's reaction to damaging this man's face with unreasonable force for resisting an arrest that was never required to begin with? Do you people have no empathy or backbone?

 

[Baresark]

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I'm with you. My point was simply that all the evidence we have are statements by the police, the accused and the bystanders.

I disagree that it's a straw-man though, simply because both sides of the account need to be investigated. In a just world, where (based on this article and video) there is a single statement in defense of what happened (the officers) and several accounts defending the accused, I would think that a full investigation would be in order in this case. You are correct though, while all cases of alleged police brutality need to be looked at, we cannot simply give a police officer a paid vacation because some felt he was "being a dick".

Judging by the current outcome of the situation, the police officer has all but been exonerated of any wrong doing and the accused is guilty, despite having several statements in his defense from bystanders. For instance, according to the news, the accused has been arrested for resisting arrest despite there being a statement or statements saying he did not in fact resist arrest.

So, it would be wonderful if this were to go to trial. I would love to see justice done on this matter.

 

[RabbiiFrystofsk]

Is anyone else terrified that some people in the thread have actually agreed with the officers reaction to damaging this mans face with unreasonable force for resisting an arrest that was never required to begin with? Do you people have no empathy or backbone?

While at a point it was clever and different to say FUCK DA POLICE now it's clever and cool to not say FUCK DA POLICE because everyone else is saying FUCK DA POLICE.

Unless this guy was actually threatening the police and put up a big effort to avoid getting arrested then you can't justify face slamming a 50 year old man to the floor for having a game in his waistband.
You can clearly tell he didn't put up a huge effort because Police forces always dispatch about 500 officers for every one person they need to subdue because numbers.
Also American cops are arseholes, not all of them, but you've got some superiority complex going on in your police departments. I remember looking at this policeman in NY and the disgusted look he gave these black lads walking past just screamed "i hope you do something so i can peg you". Also your airport police try far too hard to act 'hard'. They talk down to you and talk stern when it really isn't needed just in an attempt to assert their authority. Hello? We just want to get through your fuck retarded security protocols while you completely ignore a sports bag on the side despite the whole bomb scare mentality still thriving.
I'm not anti-police by any stretch of the imagination because the police in my country aren't cunts and are taught to use restraint and actually behaviour like citizens rather than over entitled workers.

 

[Frostbite3789]

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Less reactionary you say? Done.

I work in retail and this is not how loss prevention should be handled, ever. By law enforcement or otherwise. Employees are hardly able to even question a patron who they think might be stealing, or if they saw them enacting behavior that might lead to stealing. I don't care if it's Black Friday.

Walmart like any big store is filled to the brim with cameras. But lets say one of those doesn't catch the guy. Alright, video games have an alarm in them, even after they're deactivated those stickers inside the box are a ************ to remove. it takes a lot of time. Assuming they're actually staffed properly, someone will see that happening and can contact the loss protection branch of the store to keep an eye on the dude. They can get him as he leaves.

As far as I'm concerned there shouldn't have been officers anywhere except posted at the door. Where when the old guy gets there, he gets buzzed by the alarm and pulled aside. If they have to pull aside a good chunk of people so, be it.

This situation was handled incorrectly in every way as soon as the cuffs were being placed on the customer.

 

[Count Igor]

Ha ha ha, Police brutality is sooooo funny.

It's a quote from half life two. I'm surprised anyone here doesn't know about it.

Seriously, I don't get these kind of Cops. You get the feeling they can have 10 of their own standing around to help out against 1 person and yet they will still find it necessary to not only subdue someone, but do so with so much force that a ambulance will be needed.

Accidents happen. I doubt they meant to hurt him like that, but were just trying to get him on the floor. Don't tell me you've never hurt anyone.

This is the kind of situation, thief or not, that I sincerly wish the crowd would have beat the ever loving crap out of those cops, give them a taste of their own medicine. I really don't see where that has to do with doing your fucking job anymore, thats just being a violent ************ with a badge.

And that's being a 'Violent ************' WITHOUT a badge. At least they were trying to accomplish something. You, however, just want to make the whole world blind. (An eye for an eye)

I mean, what would hurting people for that do? It gives them 'A taste of their own medicine'? Because I'm sure they woke up that day thinking "Ooh, I can't wait to smash some old man's face in with the ground!". No, as I said, it's likely an accident that it went too far. Shall we inflict all sorts of pain that you've created onto you? It is, after all, "a taste of your own medicine".

All I'm seeing is that you're confusing Justice (which is what you want), for Revenge (which is what you're talking about)

As if everyone is carrying a weapon of some kind with the idea of straight killing someone because they didn't let them steal a video game. Say what you want, but a cop like that is a pussy in my eyes.

It's happened. You get psychos that will do that kind of thing. Or people that won't mean to, but it'll turn out like that. It's better to assume the worst and hope for the best.
I will say what I want, because this is the internet and no harm can come of me here. To a certain degree: After all, they should have established the ground rules, set out a ring and done some bare-knuckle boxing. That's how REAL men are created.
HRRRRRRRRGH! FUS! RO! DAH!

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Remember, this is my opinion on it, just as you said yours. Don't take it too personally, I'm only one guy.

Edit: This is not saying I agree with how the manner in which this arrest was handled. It's saying I disagree with what you're saying.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Also, watching people defend the "police" once again is as amusing as ever

Watching people be apologists for criminals is equally amusing!

Amusement all around!

Innocent until proven guilty in the court of law.

 

[Baresark]

Is anyone else terrified that some people in the thread have actually agreed with the officer's reaction to damaging this man's face with unreasonable force for resisting an arrest that was never required to begin with? Do you people have no empathy or backbone?

A case not too dissimilar to this one happened in Baltimore. A 12 year old girl gets a train that she was prohibited from riding due to her breaking the rules/laws in the past. This is understandable. What isn't understandable is that three police officers grab her, two hold her down and the third accidentally shoots her with a riot shotgun round (it shoots a small bean bag meant to disable someone without causing permanent damage). There are several things that are called into question. Why did it take three adult police officers to subdue a 12 year old girl? Why did two hold her down while a third had his gun trained on her? Was the police officer trained in the use of firearms? Was it acceptable to fire on her when she was being held facedown by two police officers, even by accident?

I got into a heated debate with my roommate about it and he adamantly felt the police officers were right to do what they did. We had broken it down by that point and I could see some of his points. But in the end, three police officers assaulted a 12 year old girl that anyone of them was clearly not able to handle alone and shot her from 2 feet with a riot shotgun shell. No matter how defensible the police officers situation was, the outcome is unreasonable. Unfortunately, it's unreasonable on a moral level, which has zero to do with laws or legalities.

The problem, as with the situation I mentioned, was that the police are relieved of responsibility. People make the argument that police she be allowed to do their job without being called into question, that they should be able to do what keeps them safest during such situation. They surely should. But they should not be forgiven for breaking the public trust and harming people that should not be harmed, even accidentally. If you and I make mistakes that results in a guy almost choking on his own blood, we go to jail. The point of law is that no one is above it, be we seem to live in a society where the police and political bodies are above it. And we are greeted at every turn by apologists for a broken and suffocating system of laws.

 

[Domehammer]

Since when is putting something in a pocket while INSIDE a store shoplifting? I could understand if he was stuffing his pockets with stuff but one item and has to be shoplifter? I've carried around a item or two instead of getting a basket or cart but never been mauled by police. He should sue the police department responsible to pay for any surgery he could need for repairing damages.

 

[WanderingFool]

Exactly how much "resisting arrest" is reqiured to smash a 54 year old into the floor? Also, was he currantly leaving the store, or was he nowhere near the checkout lines?

 

[MrGalactus]

Besides, he's an old man at Wal-Mart with his grandson, what the hell would he have done to the cop?

I have known 70+ year-old men that could kill you with one hand quite easily. So... Quite a lot actually, if he had the right training. Never underestimate someone just because they are old.

Well fair enough, maybe the old man was an ex-Navy SEAL or something, but it's very unlikely. And even if he was, that doesn't mean he would attack the cop, does it?

 

[Cropsy91]

Honestly, whether he's shoplifting or not isn't the issue as much as it is the amount of force they applied to apprehend a elderly grandparent. It's, frankly, pretty freaking disturbing how much police brutality has come to light recently.

 

[Wuvlycuddles]

In defense of the cop, I'd hate to be the one tasked with keeping order on black friday in walmart. Not saying what he did was right, quite the opposite, but I can understand the stress and pressure that lead to him doing something really quite stupid.

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

Isn't it only shop-lifting if he leaves the shop with the item? I didn't realise you could preemptively accuse and punish someone of shop-lifting when they put shopping in something other than a carrier bag or trolley...

 

[Kopikatsu]

Isn't it shoplifting only if you attempt to leave the store without paying for the item? I was under the impression that you could put it anywhere (within reason) between where it sits and the checkout line.

Don't know if anyone answered this yet, but!

Arizona state law 13-1805: Section A: Subsection 5 states that concealing an item you haven't purchased is considered shoplifting. 13-1805: Section B: Subsection 1 also states that because he did knowingly (As in, wasn't drunk or crazy or anything), force can be used in his arrest.

You don't actually have to leave the store in order for it to be shoplifting.

Isn't it only shop-lifting if he leaves the shop with the item? I didn't realise you could preemptively accuse and punish someone of shop-lifting when they put shopping in something other than a carrier bag or trolley...

It's not preemptive. In Arizona, that's shoplifting. Not conspiracy to shoplift (Which is a thing), but straight up shoplifting. However, without the intent to shoplift, you get a lesser punishment. Not sure how they can prove whether or not what someone's intent is (Maybe they do it based on the person's criminal record), but shoplifting without criminal intent is a minor misdemeanor.

 

[FarleShadow]

A cop does something abit silly, so everyone who's heard 'F*** the police' starts commenting and saying how the system is broken, etc etc etc.

Its so comforting when people do precisely the same things as they always do, its like a routine.

 

[mad825]

He was bleeding and they kept him on his back....I'm surprised he didn't die.

 

[Kopikatsu]

A cop does something abit silly, so everyone who's heard 'F*** the police' starts commenting and saying how the system is broken, etc etc etc.

Its so comforting when people do precisely the same things as they always do, its like a routine.

Well...what happened is a bit more serious than 'a bit silly'. But I agree.

There are hundreds of thousands of police officers that do their job everyday without issue. We only hear about a very small minority, and even then, most of the 'police brutality' things either aren't actually police brutality or are misunderstandings.

Like this for example. It was Black Friday. People have literally stabbed each other to death over a bath towel on Black Friday. If I were a cop, I'd be a bit on edge, too.