And they have no idea what stealth is. Yes, they'll hide when you hide, but the moment you fire an arrow without being detected they'll charge out, weapons raised, shouting their favourite battle cry over and over again.scorptatious said:
Grievances about Skyrim
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My stealth archer character is way over-powered, My bow does a standard 308 damage (924 damage with the 3x stealth modifier) plus 31 fire and 31 Lightning damage per shot, I can take down most enemies in one stealth shot and even bosses in 2 stealth shots, Draugr Deathlords go down with one shot easily... Oh and I also have the "Glowing Eyes" bug.
Anyone can kill a Dragon as far as lore goes. The only thing that makes you special is that you absorb the Dragon's soul when they die. If not for that, they would just revive themselves.Vrach said:The main issue is really the fact any dragon is easily killable by NPCs, throwing the whole "OMG you're Dragonborn, you're the only one who can kill them!!!!" out the window (at least until you level up I assume). I've had several cases where the dragon attacking me would fly off and fight mobs/NPCs instead and it'd often end up getting killed by them (not always, but it feels like a fair fight more than it should've). On the other hand, it does result in some really nice fighting scenes you can watch from the side(seriously, watching a dragon fight a bunch of Draughr and skeletons was awesome, also watching him terrorize a nearby fortress cause some idiot Conjurer decided to throw a fireball at him is both hilarious and awesome)
Yeah I know, but the vibe you get from everyone is "if a dragon attacks, we're fucked". Since they can't revive themselves, but only one another (or is it Alduin only that can revive them, I'm not that far into the main story yet), a single dragon attacking isn't anything anyone should really fear - but the vibe you get from everyone is "if Dragonborn isn't there to defend our arses, we're fucked" (and I'm not talking about the overall feeling, but of a single dragon attack - every time a dragon attacks, NPCs yell "those fools are actually fighting", referring to the guards).Kopikatsu said:Anyone can kill a Dragon as far as lore goes. The only thing that makes you special is that you absorb the Dragon's soul when they die. If not for that, they would just revive themselves.Vrach said:The main issue is really the fact any dragon is easily killable by NPCs, throwing the whole "OMG you're Dragonborn, you're the only one who can kill them!!!!" out the window (at least until you level up I assume). I've had several cases where the dragon attacking me would fly off and fight mobs/NPCs instead and it'd often end up getting killed by them (not always, but it feels like a fair fight more than it should've). On the other hand, it does result in some really nice fighting scenes you can watch from the side
Maybe I'm just getting the wrong vibe though. In either case, bottom line is that dragons should be stronger. It should take either tactics and/or a large group of people to defeat one. Right now, a small ragtag team of village guards can take one down easily and that just doesn't feel right, permanently dead or not.
Grievances:
My grievances aren't really for gameplay(since some bugs and broken quests are inherent for a world this large), it has more to do with:
-the shit UI for PC version. Unbelievably bad. I though this was some joke by Bethesda at first but the joke was on me.
-the fact that they pissed on the PC version from all kinds of angles. Modders have already improved the graphics(from shadows to water to vegetation quality, new skins, detailed bodies) pretty much in what, 2 weeks time, and full texture packs aren't even out yet. The PC users had to figure out how to tweak from the ini what are BASIC F**KING OPTIONS in other games(like turning v-sync off). There are also some interface mods out already.
Playing the game with this mods(you have the option to switch from vanilla to modded in game) on and off made me realize how superficially Bethesda treated this game for the PC. Modders basically had to make this a game for the PC from the console version. It's quite embarrassing to be honest. And it will be even moreso when the HD texture packs + new interface come out. The difference between not modded and modded on the PC at least is quite staggering already and Skyrim hasn't been released for long.
And interesting enough, probably only 20% of all sales so far(a very big number) have been PC.
My grievances aren't really for gameplay(since some bugs and broken quests are inherent for a world this large), it has more to do with:
-the shit UI for PC version. Unbelievably bad. I though this was some joke by Bethesda at first but the joke was on me.
-the fact that they pissed on the PC version from all kinds of angles. Modders have already improved the graphics(from shadows to water to vegetation quality, new skins, detailed bodies) pretty much in what, 2 weeks time, and full texture packs aren't even out yet. The PC users had to figure out how to tweak from the ini what are BASIC F**KING OPTIONS in other games(like turning v-sync off). There are also some interface mods out already.
Playing the game with this mods(you have the option to switch from vanilla to modded in game) on and off made me realize how superficially Bethesda treated this game for the PC. Modders basically had to make this a game for the PC from the console version. It's quite embarrassing to be honest. And it will be even moreso when the HD texture packs + new interface come out. The difference between not modded and modded on the PC at least is quite staggering already and Skyrim hasn't been released for long.
And interesting enough, probably only 20% of all sales so far(a very big number) have been PC.
Console.Omnific One said:
i've tried dropping them, to no avail. i'll try putting them into a container and see if that works. Thanks.Agayek said:
I did think this was the case, but the game actually makes a permanent save, as opposed to an auto save, right before you make your character (on PC at least). This means the first save you have on your list will be this one. As long as when clearing out your saves you only delete them from save 2 onwards you don't have to watch it multiple times. I personally enjoyed it the first two or three times, but it does gt annoying after that.Peter Storer said:
Well the almost instant CtD since the last update is... a little annoying. To say the least.
I now have to spend the 2 hours of my day I have free to relax, trying to uninstal (I am a techno noob) all the mods I downloaded to enhance your game Bethesda, thanks for that. I can understand that you aren't exactly a fan of piracy but I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Other than that:
- The UI is a little annoying.
- The inability to categorise items in storage is a pain.
- I want my companions to be able to jump, it's a real pain when I drop down a small ledge, look round for Lydia only to see her running off into the distance to find a way down.
- If companions would be even a little bit more stealthy it would be much appreciated.
I'm not too far in the game so these are the only issues I have, and they are only minor.
EDIT: Forgot the biggest issue which is the complete lack of emotion in any of the characters.
I now have to spend the 2 hours of my day I have free to relax, trying to uninstal (I am a techno noob) all the mods I downloaded to enhance your game Bethesda, thanks for that. I can understand that you aren't exactly a fan of piracy but I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Other than that:
- The UI is a little annoying.
- The inability to categorise items in storage is a pain.
- I want my companions to be able to jump, it's a real pain when I drop down a small ledge, look round for Lydia only to see her running off into the distance to find a way down.
- If companions would be even a little bit more stealthy it would be much appreciated.
I'm not too far in the game so these are the only issues I have, and they are only minor.
EDIT: Forgot the biggest issue which is the complete lack of emotion in any of the characters.
The dark brotherhood. All of it was a big dissapointment to me. The armor looked really lame, the quests were all too easy and the culmination of it all was about as fullfilling as the Oblivion ending, instantly felt like killing everyone of the other members the moment i stepped inside the sanctum. I mean come on, a fucking kid in the dark brotherhood? Nothing made it feel like the DB to me at all. And also, why does no one respect me? I mean i am the leader of several factions and i kill dragons for breakfast, and yet people treat me like i'm a nobody. BAH!
Agayek said:
Just about everything there, plus it's rather annoying when a dragon randomly spawns, then just flys away.MiracleOfSound said:
I kid you not, but I have chased down dragons that just refused to attack me.
Oh, and sneaking with dual daggers seems a bit overpowered.
Seriously, I'm one hit killing most threats.
The game doesn't fit my tv. Bits of text just hang off screen and I have no Idea how to fix this.
I just bought it last night, not too impressed to be honest. This may be due to fact that I could barely hear what the fuck was being said at the intro part, I then ran into a bug that made the loading screen freeze up but I could hear the game sounds and voices (managed to fix that) and then finally being released from the intro part to do whatever I wanted and looking out into the world and thought "Meh, Fallout 3 did it better".
Honestly, I'm dissapointed from what I've seen.
Honestly, I'm dissapointed from what I've seen.
It actually automatically generates a save for you at that point, so simple enough... I'm talking about avoiding the tutorial bit as well, not just the "cutscene."=3srm79 said:
Grievances, grievances, where art thou? I'm serious, I'm having a hard time coming up with them. I'm not saying the game is perfect; it obviously isn't, but coming up with something sufficiently detrimental to the enjoyment of the game to be worthy of the term grievance has proven to be difficult. Of course, there were the occasional low level launches into the stratosphere by an ornery giant's attack to allow my sense of immersion to escape me like my character escaped Nirn's magnetic field.
Granted, I did have a few grievances right after buying the game, namely some noticeable FX bugs that made non-static and particle effects such as fire, webbing, flowing water and the like invisible, and some item models not showing up in the item interface. However, a third party patch I downloaded fixed 99% of those problems, leaving me with nothing but my enjoyment of the game, which despite its heavy system requirements ran more smoothly on High settings by a mile that Oblivion ever did with all the stops pulled out. Playing this long-anticipated game made me feel like I was in Sovngarde, swimming in mead. And there are no hangovers in the afterlife. If anything, the biggest grievance I can name is that by the time I get tired of Skyrim, my friends will probably have declared me legally dead.
All kidding aside, I feel I shouldn't cheat the thread topic and at least list a bunch of issues and nitpicks I have encountered.
1) Guards piss me off.
While it is nice that they have stock phrases to tell you depending on your affiliation, accomplishments and gear, you get mighty tired after a while for example of being addressed with "Oh, I remember now. You're that new member of the Companions. So you what, fetch the mead?" while I have finished the Yorvangr quest line long ago and he should be offering condoleances for my predecessor's death instead. Furthermore, the guards still have the same problem as in Oblivion, of drawing from an aggressively small pool of voice actors, although at least there are more than two this time. I like that guards may offer tidbits of information and directions to interesting landmarks in the surrounding area, though.
2) Helmets.
Hands up everyone who takes careful consideration in creating their character's face. Hands up if you don't want helmets to fuck up your look. The problem here is that for certain builds, helmets are quite mandatory to get the most out of your character. For example, there are two Heavy Armor perks that give you a 25% bonus to total armor rating each if you are wearing a complete set and a matching set respectively, of heavy armor (that is, head, chest, hands and feet). With all those perks in the bag, my level 30 waraxe and shield wielding Nord warrior in full Daedric armor goes from almost 600 armor to low 300's when you take his helmet off. The problem is thus; that daedric helm completely obscures the face you have painstakingly constructed for him. Gone is the squared, angular jawline, the embattled snarl, and the evocative war paint, replaced with an expressionless helmet that looks like it belongs in the same catalog Lord Sauron uses to mail-order his equipment. Since the face of your character is pretty much everything he or she has to set them apart from all the NPCs, this being a world-focused Bethesda RPG, you aren't left with much. You will want to parade that face around, held aloft in pride. Among the many helmets that completely conceal your head and face are the dwarven, ebony, and daedric variety. How will the dragonborn of legend distinguish himself without a face to inspire fear in his enemies?
Also, if your character has long hair (which, being a filth-encrusted Nord, should be a given), you will encounter clipping issues with certain unique and much more flavourful helmets, with hair sticking out of the meshes and all that. Also, I wish all the helmets in the game were as cool as some of the early ones like the horned iron and steel helmets, but sadly not. Which brings me directly to;
3) Tiered Armor Sets.
Having played a decent amount of time, you eventually come to categorize all that loot you find in an arbitrary list, somewhat like 'Leather/Iron < Studded Leather/Steel < Dwarven < Steel Plate < Elven/Orcish < Glass/Ebony < Daedric', and that's sort of... limiting. I don't hate the idea that certain armor types are inherently better than others, but I do sort of find the lack of variety a little disappointing. Instead of only focusing on the base armor value of an armor type, Bethesda missed the opportunity of putting in armors with unique benefits and disadvantages, or simply add much more varied equipment of every tier to the game in general. The game DVD was only like 5.1 gigabytes, so don't tell me there wasn't room for a little more content.
4) Chicken Factions and Crime and Punishment.
So who else tried to kill that chicken when they arrived in Riverwood, just to see what happens? Now I may be accused of taking chicken rights with too big a grain of salt, but I don't think one dead chicken warrants the entire village taking up arms to smite the evil Slayer of Chickens. Apparently the offense was so grievous that even putting away your weapon didn't alleviate the situation, or the continued and raucous hostilities to the address of yours truly. They wouldn't accept my yield and killed me over a dead chicken, then presumably roasted it over a fire for lunch a few minutes later while discussing how chicken punching had become a real social issue these days. In a strange contrast to this early-game excerpt, I murdered an imperial courier later in the game and yielded to the authorities, and got off with a show of stripes and a warning to my account. I guess the Empire should have hired chickens to deliver vital military documents.
And why was it called murder anyway, if the courier drew and struck first?
I'm sure there are plenty of other problems with the law and justice system in Skyrim than I have been able to find, but a useful fix would be to change the chickens' faction settings so they are no longer considered with the same reverence as the head of the family.
5) Disarming Shout
So, one day I was exploring a Nordic Ruin called Labyrinthian and came across my first Draugr Deathlord. Now, at level 15 on the Expert difficulty setting, that fight was slightly more difficult than licking your own elbow. They were one of the first enemies I encountered that had access to Shouts of their own, and there is one in particular that has invoked my ire. The Disarm shout, which rips weapons out of their wielder's hands and catapults them across the room, is quite nice to have when faced with a throng of threatening opponents, but it's not something that the player shrugs off too easily. Having your armaments torn from your hands is downright infuriating. With the limited customization points you have available, and usually carrying a main weapon that is much more powerful or valuable than the next best axe you carry, losing it is always a tense situation, especially in dark places where, if you survive the encounter, need to search for several moments to find it between all the clutter that covers the floors of most dungeons. What's more, losing an item scraps it from your favorite list, so you lose your goddamned hotkey. Dick move, Deathlord, dick move.
I may post my grievances about Skyrim 6 thru 10 some other time, but now I no longer feel like writing and would rather go back to playing the game
Granted, I did have a few grievances right after buying the game, namely some noticeable FX bugs that made non-static and particle effects such as fire, webbing, flowing water and the like invisible, and some item models not showing up in the item interface. However, a third party patch I downloaded fixed 99% of those problems, leaving me with nothing but my enjoyment of the game, which despite its heavy system requirements ran more smoothly on High settings by a mile that Oblivion ever did with all the stops pulled out. Playing this long-anticipated game made me feel like I was in Sovngarde, swimming in mead. And there are no hangovers in the afterlife. If anything, the biggest grievance I can name is that by the time I get tired of Skyrim, my friends will probably have declared me legally dead.
All kidding aside, I feel I shouldn't cheat the thread topic and at least list a bunch of issues and nitpicks I have encountered.
1) Guards piss me off.
While it is nice that they have stock phrases to tell you depending on your affiliation, accomplishments and gear, you get mighty tired after a while for example of being addressed with "Oh, I remember now. You're that new member of the Companions. So you what, fetch the mead?" while I have finished the Yorvangr quest line long ago and he should be offering condoleances for my predecessor's death instead. Furthermore, the guards still have the same problem as in Oblivion, of drawing from an aggressively small pool of voice actors, although at least there are more than two this time. I like that guards may offer tidbits of information and directions to interesting landmarks in the surrounding area, though.
2) Helmets.
Hands up everyone who takes careful consideration in creating their character's face. Hands up if you don't want helmets to fuck up your look. The problem here is that for certain builds, helmets are quite mandatory to get the most out of your character. For example, there are two Heavy Armor perks that give you a 25% bonus to total armor rating each if you are wearing a complete set and a matching set respectively, of heavy armor (that is, head, chest, hands and feet). With all those perks in the bag, my level 30 waraxe and shield wielding Nord warrior in full Daedric armor goes from almost 600 armor to low 300's when you take his helmet off. The problem is thus; that daedric helm completely obscures the face you have painstakingly constructed for him. Gone is the squared, angular jawline, the embattled snarl, and the evocative war paint, replaced with an expressionless helmet that looks like it belongs in the same catalog Lord Sauron uses to mail-order his equipment. Since the face of your character is pretty much everything he or she has to set them apart from all the NPCs, this being a world-focused Bethesda RPG, you aren't left with much. You will want to parade that face around, held aloft in pride. Among the many helmets that completely conceal your head and face are the dwarven, ebony, and daedric variety. How will the dragonborn of legend distinguish himself without a face to inspire fear in his enemies?
Also, if your character has long hair (which, being a filth-encrusted Nord, should be a given), you will encounter clipping issues with certain unique and much more flavourful helmets, with hair sticking out of the meshes and all that. Also, I wish all the helmets in the game were as cool as some of the early ones like the horned iron and steel helmets, but sadly not. Which brings me directly to;
3) Tiered Armor Sets.
Having played a decent amount of time, you eventually come to categorize all that loot you find in an arbitrary list, somewhat like 'Leather/Iron < Studded Leather/Steel < Dwarven < Steel Plate < Elven/Orcish < Glass/Ebony < Daedric', and that's sort of... limiting. I don't hate the idea that certain armor types are inherently better than others, but I do sort of find the lack of variety a little disappointing. Instead of only focusing on the base armor value of an armor type, Bethesda missed the opportunity of putting in armors with unique benefits and disadvantages, or simply add much more varied equipment of every tier to the game in general. The game DVD was only like 5.1 gigabytes, so don't tell me there wasn't room for a little more content.
4) Chicken Factions and Crime and Punishment.
So who else tried to kill that chicken when they arrived in Riverwood, just to see what happens? Now I may be accused of taking chicken rights with too big a grain of salt, but I don't think one dead chicken warrants the entire village taking up arms to smite the evil Slayer of Chickens. Apparently the offense was so grievous that even putting away your weapon didn't alleviate the situation, or the continued and raucous hostilities to the address of yours truly. They wouldn't accept my yield and killed me over a dead chicken, then presumably roasted it over a fire for lunch a few minutes later while discussing how chicken punching had become a real social issue these days. In a strange contrast to this early-game excerpt, I murdered an imperial courier later in the game and yielded to the authorities, and got off with a show of stripes and a warning to my account. I guess the Empire should have hired chickens to deliver vital military documents.
And why was it called murder anyway, if the courier drew and struck first?
I'm sure there are plenty of other problems with the law and justice system in Skyrim than I have been able to find, but a useful fix would be to change the chickens' faction settings so they are no longer considered with the same reverence as the head of the family.
5) Disarming Shout
So, one day I was exploring a Nordic Ruin called Labyrinthian and came across my first Draugr Deathlord. Now, at level 15 on the Expert difficulty setting, that fight was slightly more difficult than licking your own elbow. They were one of the first enemies I encountered that had access to Shouts of their own, and there is one in particular that has invoked my ire. The Disarm shout, which rips weapons out of their wielder's hands and catapults them across the room, is quite nice to have when faced with a throng of threatening opponents, but it's not something that the player shrugs off too easily. Having your armaments torn from your hands is downright infuriating. With the limited customization points you have available, and usually carrying a main weapon that is much more powerful or valuable than the next best axe you carry, losing it is always a tense situation, especially in dark places where, if you survive the encounter, need to search for several moments to find it between all the clutter that covers the floors of most dungeons. What's more, losing an item scraps it from your favorite list, so you lose your goddamned hotkey. Dick move, Deathlord, dick move.
I may post my grievances about Skyrim 6 thru 10 some other time, but now I no longer feel like writing and would rather go back to playing the game
*Becomes Archmage of the College of Winterhold*CrazyHatMan said:
Farengar: You know if you have the aptitude, you should join the College of Winterhold.
Me: .....................
Dark brotherhood gloves + dagger with the backstab multiplier perk = dragon priest dead in one hit.Riddle78 said:
Or, be better at alchemy and drink resistance potions and use poisons.
With my enchants and my alchemy skill, I'm a single resistance potion away from being virtually immune to any element.
The damage that slip through is easily made up for with my 120%+ faster health regen potions.
The least effective strategy is charging headlong into the fight thinking you can just kill them faster than they kill you.
It autosaves just before the character creation part. Meaning you can always just load that up and skip the opening. Also, im pretty sure that you should have to go through the opening levels and such since they include levelling.Peter Storer said:
what this guy said.Peter Storer said:
even if they cut out the intro cinematic.
plus how you cant fast-travel to Hold capitals straight away. even just the capitals.
and how i can only wear one ring.
You can, though I don't know why you would want to. Just go to the stables at any Hold, and the cart driver will fast port you to any other Hold, regardless of if you've been there already or not. Though, if you did that you'd miss out on a shit ton of stuff that you get to see while traveling across Skyrim.TrilbyWill said:
OT: I have only one complaint, and that's the awful awful memory leak. I can play for about a half hour to an hour, and then my frame rate will drop to almost nothing. At that point I have to restart the game. Restarting the game every hour or so gets quite annoying.
Also, I think I've spread my perks out too thin. Not the game's fault, but damn it if it doesn't piss me off. Where is the trainer so I can respec? lol.