No, it's the "Why is this suddenly not okay when it was before" question. It's not a defence because there's nothing that needs defending.RA92 said:
Trying to lure a 13 year old (who was forced onto you just a while ago) into having sex isn't 'holding their sanity together.' If people are traumatized by something, they don't return to it.shrekfan246 said:
Angela had an entire story arc in Silent Hill. She wasn't just a throwaway character used for shock value.lacktheknack said:
Why aren't we allowed to criticize something we like? I do enjoy the gameplay and the zaniness of MGS.The Lunatic said:
... I wasn't literally calling anyone rape apologists here. It was just a play of words. I'll change the OP for clarification.anthony87 said:
I'm not saying you're not. I'm saying you are, if anything, you have the freedom to do so.RA92 said:
Again, jumping to conclusions. "Do you want to do it here" doesn't have to mean sex, regardless of the contextual cues. Especially given the fact that the context of the question is asked after Paz has already been pushed away by Chico.RA92 said:
So you missed the part where it was torture done for the sake of gathering information? And that the tape cuts out and comes back to them saying that he got what he wanted? And then the internet all collectively jumped to the conclusion that that meant rape?
No, SHE wasn't used for shock value... but this was.RA92 said:
It's late here so I'm off to sleep, plus I can't muster enough energy to listen to that 10 minute long tape again to counter your points. You're just arguing semantics here (if you truly believed this can be misinterpreted, you would have started with this argument, not the death analogy.) Literally no one else here is making this argument.shrekfan246 said:
Yeah, my bad.dyre said:
Did you play Peace Walker? Because that entire game had character development for Paz, and Ground Zeroes itself includes all of her audio tapes from Peace Walker just so people don't see her as a throwaway character.RA92 said:
I started with the comparison to murder because I'm tired of people acting like rape can't be portrayed in video games, while a bit of the ol' ultra violence is perfectly okay. I didn't open with the misinterpretation argument because I wasn't intending on getting into such a long debate into this thread, because I usually avoid Metal Gear Solid threads exactly for reasons like this.RA92 said:
Don't forget that there's a topless costume for Snake and all the male soldiers in Peace Walker, and Naked Raiden in MGS2, and Volgin's crotch grabbing in MGS3, and Ocelot kissing Snake in MGS4, and many more. I'd say that Kojima sexualises his male characters more than he does his female characters.Kopikatsu said:
Do you honestly think you have even the slightest clue about what goes through the mind of people who are in the situation they were at? Have you ever talked with people who were kept captive and tortured and lost basically all hope? These kind of situations can fuck up your psyche and that's what Kojima went for. It's like the B&B squad in MGS4 they all became insane and did horrible things because their mind got destroyed by traumatic events.RA92 said:
It could be worse. The Quiet outfit controversy could be reignited with the release of Phantom Pain. And with the appearance of child soldiers...shrekfan246 said:
I've seen some quite interesting theories that Quiet is actually Chico but with a sex change. Now if that's true then I don't think the internet could handle it, they would have been hating on a trans woman the entire time. And I'm willing to bet that child soldiers will be seen as something new in the series even though they've been in it since Metal Gear 2 back in the 80s.TheMigrantSoldier said:
