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GLo Jones

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A man can only be offended with his own permission.

It's your state of mind. What are these people saying? Why would they say it? But most importantly, do you think there's any truth to it?

Most people that truly find something offensive is because they're particularly sensitive to the issue being raised. This is often caused by either insecurities about themselves, or past unpleasant experiences (eg, your brother being victim to a racist attack).

You can't shrug off negative comments if you have either past issues to resolve, or insecurities to overcome. Being so easily hurt by others implies you're really not a strong person to begin with, that's what you have to work on.
 

Indeterminacy

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Saulkar said:
That would be all fine and dandy if there were actual instructions on how to. The fact of the matter is words hurt. There is nothing that can really change that. Not everybody is born with a thick skin that can shake off words. Words have no physical nature but they have real connotations that the brain recognises, this in turn translates into feelings or understanding and thus negative words can still hurt for this reason...
Long post following.

I think a lot of what has been said so far in response to this discussion has been what you might call "Solipsistic". You draw a line in the sand between "me" and "other people", and then set about systematically removing yourself from engaging in certain types of discussion by not putting yourself on the line, setting yourself up in such a way that crossing the line is something you develop coping mechanisms for (humour/self-confidence/self-deprecation/distance), or drawing the line in such a way that nothing is ever personal.

I don't think this is the right way to go about resolving the problem of being offended, for the simple reason that you don't really address what it was about what they said that gave rise to the perceived offense. Someone else has said something that would have offended you; this was said in the way it was for a reason, and dismissing that reason can in certain situations result in a misinterpretation of the other person's intent in saying it. Joking around it or shrugging it off are deflection methods, whereas being offensive towards you sometimes has a very important part to play in explaining perceived problems with the way you have conducted yourself.

Resolving occasions of offense isn't about building your own sense of self-esteem and set of personal defenses up. It's about reading the situation from the lens of the intention the other person has in causing it.

Often, this reading is easy. Someone might have said something just because they're starved for attention, and offense is a very good way to attract it. Then there's no reason to think that what is said has anything to do with you whatsoever. Sometimes it's a strategy they adopt in order to distract you from the game they perceive to be in effect - in which case, again, it's just because you're their opponent. Someone might have said something because they're frustrated that you don't agree with their opinion, even if you've given a reasonable explanation of why you believe what you do - in which case, explaining your perspective and calmly asking them to acknowledge the difference is often good enough. Usually online, these readings tend to work because of the typically fleeting nature of conversation.

It's occasionally a little trickier, and that's where interpersonal empathy is a very useful tool. Try to view what had happened up to that point from a different perspective, and see if you can think about how has the occasion of offense-giving emerged from the context. If you can't work it out, then ask them!

Everyone acts for a reason. People can act "irrationally" and act in ways that don't always make sense from the impartial viewpoint, but they have their own internal logic that drives their decisions (albeit one usually mired in contradiction). If you accept this as a premise, and consider the resultant important role that interpretation plays in the function of words and language, then maybe you can use sensitivity to offense as an opportunity to engage deeper in the intentions and thoughts of the other people involved in the discussion.

It's not so much about self-confidence as it is about Strength of Will. You can be happy to change things about yourself and respond positively to emotive criticism wthout backing down from authority and ownership of your position in the conversation.

tl;dr - escaping from offense isn't always the most constructive approach to dealing with people.
 

Nyaliva

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I'm a very sensitive person and I get very emotionally invested in arguments I take on the internet. This, you would think, makes me an easy troll target. But no. I always fight with logical claims, if someone can prove me wrong, then I'm wrong. If it's a matter of opinion, than I don't go too far. If someone is getting ridiculous, I DON'T start getting agressive or asshole-y, I usually just say "look, if you want to argue about this calmly and logically, I'm all ears, but if you're just going to start flailing your arms about and yell, I have nothing more to say to you." Then if they start making hurtful comments I consider them a troll, make a witty comment to them (preferrably not about their mother) and leave them be. Also I tend to rationalise, if they're really angry about a topic and fight with so much passion they can't see how wrong they are, I usually think their life is consumed by this, if I want to be better than them, I simply have to live my life and not do the same.

Always remember, ad hominem (personal attacks) is a weak and cowardly weapon and is in no way a logical statement. The moment this comes up, they are thereby branded a troll and no longer worthy of your time.
 

Trippy Turtle

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My reasoning is that even if I do feel that way who cares? Sure I don't like being insulted but in the grand scheme of things it will not affect me. The world would be a happier place if people stopped taking offense at the tiniest things.
If I went out and insulted everyone in the universe in alphabetical order would it matter? I wouldn't make many friends but I am sure people would live.
Lets pretend I went and insulted someone for being whatever race. What would be worse? If they said "Oh well, he is an idiot." or if they started a massive problem over it and it got out of hand and making everything worse.