Guys: What do you think it means to be a man?

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uzo

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I'm a closet survivalist, so my definitions of 'being a man' are perhaps a little more traditional than most people - being protector & provider. Aggression is a minor factor, but having the capacity to fight is essential.




Mind you, violence and aggression *are* undeniable aspects of testosterone.

I think it's something that women need to remember when dealing with men - the anger that a woman has experienced at her utter peak of conceivable rage is what a man experiences every time someone pulls out in front of him on the freeway, gives him a dirty look, calls him something derogatory, or even when he doesn't know where he left his keys. Men don't think about it because we're constantly having to wrestle with simmering aggression. Also, we're trained by society - as OP says - to keep our violent impulses suppressed. When we do lose control and get the serious shits, it's Bruce Banner/Hulk insanity.

I wonder whether things like domestic abuse are increasing, however. At the same time as these studies are saying testosterone is decrease, society in general is factually becoming safer - but what of things like domestic abuse?

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Kpt._Rob said:
... stating that there is a correlation between how confident someone is, and how much testosterone they have. And there aren't a lot of things that kill your confidence quite like being out of shape. For better or worse, the societal demand to be attractive and in shape is extremely prevalent.
True, but your wording is a little off and hence confusing. I think you mean that high testosterone equals high confidence - you seem to be suggesting that an obese person's self-image changes their physiological/hormonal make up. Obese people's hormonal make up *is* definitely different, and yes, fat men generally do produce more feminine hormones in body fat, but it's a biological function and has nothing to do with some vague psychobabble self-image/feeling bad about being fat issues.

People are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise, this then causes testosterone to fall as hormonal shifts are caused, leading to still less drive/aggression, leading to less exercise and what may well be a self-replicating cause-and-effect, leading ever more to fat fat fatty fat fat.
 
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Honestly what I would consider "manly" isn't something that you have to be a man to be, it is just saying yeah I am who I am, I do what I want and if you try to stop me I am going to fight back so back the fuck up and go do something that doesn't involve you annoying me.

Also defending certain rights like free speech but then again I think anyone who doesn't do that needs to... well start doing it.
 

pieguy259

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You must be swift as the coursing river, with all the force of a great typhoon, with all the strength of a raging fire, mysterious as the dark side of the moon.
 

Alpha Maeko

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That depends on whether you value our natural traits and how you gauge what is and isn't a trait we as a species have grown past, socially. Everything is relative and morale standings change allot over time.

So, to be a 'man' isn't all that clear to me; and I'm not all that sure if it even matters, anymore.
 

Dr Snakeman

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TeeBs said:
All I have to say, Fuck gender roles.

To be 100% honest being a good guy is great, if that falls into your definition of "Masculine" thats great, but im glad the aggressiveness of males is lowering. Call me a weak nerd but we don't need masculinity in todays society.
Huh.

I honestly can't say that I've ever "respectfully disagreed" with anything more in my life. This is, like, as much as I can possibly disagree with you, and still treat your opinion as worthy of my time.

So, yeah. I think you're gravely mistaken. More specifically, I think you're confused on what "masculinity" means.

I don't really want to have to come up with some huge thesis about it here, but I suggest you check out The Art of Manliness. It's a website with a cheesy name, but a really good premise. It's all about helping to recapture the good qualities of manhood in the past, but leaving behind all the racism and misogyny.

Here, to get you started:

http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/12/is-manliness-obsolete/

A lot of very thought-provoking "man stuff" on that site.
 

A Weakgeek

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TeeBs said:
All I have to say, Fuck gender roles.

To be 100% honest being a good guy is great, if that falls into your definition of "Masculine" thats great, but im glad the aggressiveness of males is lowering. Call me a weak nerd but we don't need masculinity in todays society.
I agree with this man! I wonder why...

Dr Snakeman said:
TeeBs said:
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http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/12/is-manliness-obsolete/

A lot of very thought-provoking "man stuff" on that site.
From what ive read it really has little to do with manliness and more with just being a responsible adult, expect for the "physical bravery" thing ( which to me sounds rather silly but what do i know).
 

Dr Snakeman

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Rylot said:
To go off on a tangent, I've always hated the movie/book 'Fight Club'. I always felt that the equating of masculinity with punching random people was pure unadulterated stupidity. For me a man is someone that others can rely on from anything from a willing ear to a hand to help move. *steps off of soap box*
I'm... pretty sure that you missed the entire point of that book. It wasn't about how "manly" punching each other was. Fight Club and Project Mayhem were started because of middle-class, white collar despair, not machismo. They weren't fighting to feel manlier, they were fighting to feel anything at all.

It was all nihilism and RL trolling, not masculinity.
 

fatal2704

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Certainly not the fucking dare sticks commercials. That asshole hipster in his pajamas certainly isn't one to talk about manliness.
 

brunothepig

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Everything I was gonna say about gender roles and expectations and fuck all that has been said, so instead, I give you this.
 
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Drummie666 said:
Male genitals.
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That. Other than that, nothing. Do whatever, say whatever, like whatever; it doesn't change anything after the fact. The whole "being a man" and "real men do this" mentality is stupid beyond belief. You're a man if you're born male. End of story.
 

Leefank137

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I thought this would be a lot more deep. My original answer was "Honesty" but this new prompt has thrown me off.
 

Cain_Zeros

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To be a man is to be an adult in your culture, and consider yourself male. Being at least able to pass for male physically helps others to see you as a man as well, but that's an entirely separate issue.
 

DarthFennec

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What does it mean to be a man? Well, if you have a penis and you're old enough to use it properly then you're a man.

I don't see how some people are considered more `manly' than others, I've never understood gender roles. I've always been the cuddly, caring, in-touch-with-my-feelings, get-in-the-kitchen-and-make-people-food type of person, and I've had a lot of people tell me that I was the manliest person they know, so I don't really know what to say about it. If you're human, it shouldn't matter what your sex is, because I judge people based on their personalities, not their `manliness'.
 

Slimshad

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I believe in order to be a man, you have to be a decent human being. A decent human being dislikes violence, is courteous to others, never harms, respects natural boundaries of the social and ecological systems around them, and has a strong pretension to learning. Add all that with a Y chromosome and a hotdog with beans and you got yourself a man.
 

Grospoliner

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To be a man, you must do what needs to be done when the time comes to do it without hesitation, equivocation, forbearance, or complaint.