True, but that results in consequences that would stop the narrative early on, thus making it impossible for Gordon to have made that choice in HL 1 and still be around for the events of HL 2... If I remember correctly.Daye.04 said:
Half life 2 plot hole
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Yeah, exactly .. But he didn't have to if we don't think about HL2 =PCoverYourHead said:
He he .. yeah, exactly =Poliveira8 said:
Who? Kleiner? He was a mere scientist. Gordon and the others trained in weapons and such had any need for a HEV suit ..RetiarySword said:
Well, what happened with the suit from the Hazard Course?
And HOW did it just STAND in the middle of that bridge-thingy?
And HOW did it just STAND in the middle of that bridge-thingy?
I agree with the folks positing that the G-Man put the suit somewhere where Dr. Kleiner could and would recover it (perhaps even influencing Kleiner to do it). This brings up an entirely seperate and seldom-discussed point, however:
Clearly, the G-Man is intended to be the agent of ex machina within the narrative: after all, the whole 'psychedelic tram through netherspace' final speech in HL indicates that the G-Man probably isn't really attached to 'the Government'; at least not what we think of when we say 'the Government', anyway. So who is the G-Man and, perhaps more importantly, who does he work for?
Along those lines, I didn't have a problem for why Gordon was doing the things he was doing in HL2. You're an employee of the G-Man. You have to figure you were awakened to do something. What is there to be done? Fight with the Resistance, or fight against them are about your only two options. (I doubt very seriously you were hauled out of 'sleep' to spend your time making bootleg liquor and smoking home-grown, as much as you may need a vacation.) Since, a) your friends are a part of the Resistance, and b) you were killing aliens before for the G-Man...
Throw on top of that the fact that the G-Man inserted you right where you would encounter Barney and be dragged into the middle of the Resistance, I thought it made perfect sense.
Clearly, the G-Man is intended to be the agent of ex machina within the narrative: after all, the whole 'psychedelic tram through netherspace' final speech in HL indicates that the G-Man probably isn't really attached to 'the Government'; at least not what we think of when we say 'the Government', anyway. So who is the G-Man and, perhaps more importantly, who does he work for?
Along those lines, I didn't have a problem for why Gordon was doing the things he was doing in HL2. You're an employee of the G-Man. You have to figure you were awakened to do something. What is there to be done? Fight with the Resistance, or fight against them are about your only two options. (I doubt very seriously you were hauled out of 'sleep' to spend your time making bootleg liquor and smoking home-grown, as much as you may need a vacation.) Since, a) your friends are a part of the Resistance, and b) you were killing aliens before for the G-Man...
Throw on top of that the fact that the G-Man inserted you right where you would encounter Barney and be dragged into the middle of the Resistance, I thought it made perfect sense.
Well he never said it was the same suit that Gordon had in HL1.
I figured it was the same HEV model as the one Gordon had, but Kleiner made some upgrades.
Here's he real question; how did Barney get your crowbar from Black Mesa?
I figured it was the same HEV model as the one Gordon had, but Kleiner made some upgrades.
Here's he real question; how did Barney get your crowbar from Black Mesa?
yeah, i'm gonna go with "it's the same make of suit, not the exact same suit"
for instance, you saw other scientists, or rather dead scientists, wearing HEV suits with helmets in the first half life...
for instance, you saw other scientists, or rather dead scientists, wearing HEV suits with helmets in the first half life...
Gordon wasn't trained in any use of weapons. He was a physicist at Black Mesa, not a soldier or even a guard.Daye.04 said:
And the HEV suit was made to protect the scientists at Black Mesa in the same way that a biohazard suit does.
Yes, he was. And yes to that also. And also yes to biohazard. Close but no cigar.r0botosaurus said:
If you first take a look at the tutorial, it's a weapon-and-movement-tutorial. I know this could be only to teach you, but it's made very clear that it's to teach Gordon.
And when you go to this Xen place, there are guys with HEV suits that has weapons spread around their bodies. I strongly doubt the aliens placed them there
Yeah, this struck me as odd... But remember, Doctor Kleiner and Doctor Freeman both worked at Black Mesa, so I doubt that Gordon's suit was the only H.E.V. suit ever made. And even if Doctor Kleiner didn't have time to grab another one, he helped develop the one Gordon wears, and since Gordon vanishes for twenty years until Half-Life 2 starts, Doctor Kleiner could have easily gathered the materials necessary to make another one (compared to the incredible feat of making another portal generator, making a new H.E.V. suit?). And although Kleiner said that he only made "modifications" to the suit, he might have meant that he had made modifications to the original design.
I noticed that quite quickly, however I should note that contact between the g-man and the resistance while relatively infrequent, and more or less one sided (ie: "prepare for unforeseen consequences") it does happen, which means that the g-man could and must have given it too one of the docs and they set it up there, otherwise you would have been spawned into the game wearing the bloody thing. I realize it IS a (relatively) subtle plot thread, but it is certainly not a plot hole, just takes a bit of reasoning.
on a side note his was not the only hev suit, but considering how form fitting it would half to be, I suspect it isn't exactly a "one size fits all" scenario, meaning it most defiantly WAS his original suit.
But unless the vorts got into that little pocket dimension of the g man's and stole the hazard suit for some odd reason it had to have been him, as he mentiones as the end of half life one, "I took the liberty of removing you of your weaponry, it was not your property, but I think you've earned the hazard suit, you can keep it". .. or something like that (yeah I played the original, and all the add on bits
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But unless the vorts got into that little pocket dimension of the g man's and stole the hazard suit for some odd reason it had to have been him, as he mentiones as the end of half life one, "I took the liberty of removing you of your weaponry, it was not your property, but I think you've earned the hazard suit, you can keep it". .. or something like that (yeah I played the original, and all the add on bits
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