Halo 4- I'll never buy another console game

[Uriain]

Here's the problem with "I shouldn't have to install a console game". If you did not have the second disc, you would be downloading and installing the Multiplayer component, which it actually gives you the option for.

Xbox discs do not have enough storage space to hold both the Single player and Multiplayer for Halo 4. So instead of downloading the MP aspect once you start halo up, they give you a disc for a quicker install without tagging a gig or two (not actually sure what the MP component's size is) to your internet usage.

Is it a bit of a hassle, yeah sure, no one likes switching disc's now-a-days. Is it something to get all worked up about... not even in the slightest. If you are enjoying the game, then go and enjoy the game, and remember, it wasn't so long ago that we were switching disc's between chapters, and had to KEEP switching everytime we went back to certian zones/areas..

Having to install MP then never use the disc again... not that bad.

 

[Fayathon]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Goddamn, what the hell did you put in that thing to run that price?

OT: And this is why I do PC gaming on a dual monitor any more. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 and my 360, but if I have to deal with an hour of instals before playing my games I'm probably gonna be doing that shit on my computer, consoles were designed to be a faster pick up and play in comparison to computers, at least on my comp I can surf the web while shit instals (and not on a gimped to fuck and back browser either, that applies to the PS3 browser and the god awful excuse for a browser that is IE.)

And before I get flamed for being an elitist PC fanboy, I'm not, I just play what works best for the situation, it's why I still play Dark Souls on my PS3, and I love doing LAN parties with Halo 3 on my 360. It's just what consoles had going for them over PCs is quickly being eclipsed by what computers can do.

 

[White_Lama]

Well, Christmas is coming up, just wish for a bigger harddrive, problem solved

 

[Rad Party God]

Remember the days when you could just pop-in a disc and start playing right away?, even if the game had 2 or more discs, it didn't mean you had to install anything, it meant it was a seriously epic experience. Or that it had lots of cutscenes.

But no, consoles nowadays are basically watered down PCs.

On a side note, I had a 360, couldn't you just install the game on a USB thumb drive?, they're not expensive, you could grab a 16 gb or even a 32 gb (maximum capacity of a thumb drive for the Xbox) for very little and you could even use it as a hard drive of sorts, until you get a (really expensive) hard drive for your Xbox.

Also, I assume you have the Kinect edition of you Xbox, if then, your Xbox doesn't even have a harddrive, that's 4gb of flash memory.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Dude, 4GB is very much insufficient for the world from ten years ago.

The 20th Anniversary Macs featured a hard disk with the amazing size of 2GB, and they are said to applemagically croak when you put a larger hard disk in. Back in 1998, games and stuff came on CDs, not DVDs or Bluray discs. Still, copying audio CDs in uncompressed format was limited to two or three discs, which meant you HAD to access your audio pleasures either from audio CD directly or somehow over the network. It was just not viable to do much 'work' on these machines.

The same goes for your 4GB Xbox. 4GB is well below what could and should be perceived as 'standard issue' these days. Be angry at the folks responsible for fitting your console with such a small drive. That's just not nice, not at all.

With 4GB you couldn't even install a full single-sided, single-layered DVD. Why not upgrade?

I think I can relate to the issue as I'm still using an original 60GB PS3, and I am struggling more and more, as certain titles cannot be reinstalled if I were to install a bigger drive (licensing deals gone poof or whatever)... yet, if I were to get proper annoyed, I would really either replace the drive with a bigger one or just get a comparably cheap newer PS3, but the latest hardware form factor is about as sexy as hairy hippo bums.

I can't imagine how troublesome, frustrating and annoying life with a 4GB drive must be.

Just don't do it. It's well masochistic.

 

[lacktheknack]

That seems completely ridiculous to give up on console gaming because 1 game has a second disc to it. It isn't like this has been done before ever.

This is reading like the "first world problem" to end all "first world problems".

How did he not give up on console gaming YEARS ago?

 

[The White Hunter]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Goddamn, what the hell did you put in that thing to run that price?

OT: And this is why I do PC gaming on a dual monitor any more. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 and my 360, but if I have to deal with an hour of instals before playing my games I'm probably gonna be doing that shit on my computer, consoles were designed to be a faster pick up and play in comparison to computers, at least on my comp I can surf the web while shit instals (and not on a gimped to fuck and back browser either, that applies to the PS3 browser and the god awful excuse for a browser that is IE.)

And before I get flamed for being an elitist PC fanboy, I'm not, I just play what works best for the situation, it's why I still play Dark Souls on my PS3, and I love doing LAN parties with Halo 3 on my 360. It's just what consoles had going for them over PCs is quickly being eclipsed by what computers can do.

PM'd you my rig's component list. I put in dreams and decadently overpowered the thing.

Yeah that's the way I'm going tbh, I'm sick of putting up with all the downsides of a PC with no real upside save console exclusive games [Resistance 3 was fucking brilliant, for example]. But as for anything multiplatform then the PC is by far the better option nowadays.

The Jimqusition episode on this very subject summed it all up rather nicely. It's just not worth suffering a weak, restricted, pathetic PC-like experience when you could have a gaming PC instead, yeah a lot of the problems are still there, like patches, but you also have less of that shit be mandatory, the advantages of non-price-fixed digital distribution, much higher performance, more control options and, sorry but I have to mention this, graphics worthy of 2012, the current console gen is far too old to look good anymore.

Also I can use a high end PC for many other purposes too!

 

[MagmaMan]

I love the fact that once you install from the second disc you don't have to keep swapping discs. I think that it would be better if you installed say the AC3 multiplayer disc and could then run it from the single player disc OR you could just keep disc swapping for those who don't have the space. So make it an optional install not mandatory.

The thing is Halo 4 didn't do that either. You have to install from the second disc. You can't disc swap. Unfortunate, I'm not one to play just one game for an extended period of time, I swap out constantly and having to delete some other dlc which I use quite a bit just to access half of Halo 4 is annoying.

 

[savageoblivi0n]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Goddamn, what the hell did you put in that thing to run that price?

OT: And this is why I do PC gaming on a dual monitor any more. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 and my 360, but if I have to deal with an hour of instals before playing my games I'm probably gonna be doing that shit on my computer, consoles were designed to be a faster pick up and play in comparison to computers, at least on my comp I can surf the web while shit instals (and not on a gimped to fuck and back browser either, that applies to the PS3 browser and the god awful excuse for a browser that is IE.)

And before I get flamed for being an elitist PC fanboy, I'm not, I just play what works best for the situation, it's why I still play Dark Souls on my PS3, and I love doing LAN parties with Halo 3 on my 360. It's just what consoles had going for them over PCs is quickly being eclipsed by what computers can do.

just as a quick point, not trying to start an argument or anything..I can't speak for PS3 cause I've heard the installs can be monumental, but as far as the 360? an hour of installs? I've never had one take longer than 5 minutes, even the install that TC is complaining about for Halo 4 took less than 10 for me, just thought I'd point that out

 

[Irridium]

I know how you feel. That's why I had to pass on Halo 4.

When a fucking CONSOLE doesn't meet the required hard drive specs for a CONSOLE game, shit's just silly. And why do I have to install the game? I bought a fucking console so I wouldn't have to install games. I mean, isn't this one of the major cons of the PS3? Having to install games?

Games on the 360 with more than one disk don't need to be installed. Why the hell does Halo 4 need to? Remember when people got pissed at Sony for making PS3 games have mandatory installs? Isn't that one of the selling points for the 360? "Buy 360, you won't need to install console games on a console like it's just a shitty, watered-down PC!"

Yeah, consoles were always pretty much just watered-down PC's. But at least when you bought it, you knew it would work and you wouldn't need to buy anything extra to make the games work. You wouldn't need to install them, or patch them on day 1, or input a 20-digit code with a fucking controller. Just pop it in and it plays.

And yes, I'm pissed. I love Halo, it's one of my favorite series. I want to buy and play it with my old friends from where I used to live. But I can't, because it requires an install to play. So now I have to get a new, overpriced 360 hard drive. At least the PS3 let me swap out its hard drive with my PC hard drive. But I guess that's just too fucking convenient for Microsoft. No, they gotta make their own hard drives for their console and just make it far more expensive. For the price of one of Microsoft's 120gb hard drives I bought a 1tb hard drive for my PC, and put my old 500gb hard drive in my PS3.

Fuck you Microsoft.

Ah, feels good to rant.

 

[Easton Dark]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Ah good point.

But also good counter-point to your point. You can probably out-perform consoles for the same price.

I just ordered parts worth around $1000 for my new computer. It'll be my first one that I built myself, and it's gonna be beastly.

 

[Epona]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Goddamn, what the hell did you put in that thing to run that price?

OT: And this is why I do PC gaming on a dual monitor any more. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 and my 360, but if I have to deal with an hour of instals before playing my games I'm probably gonna be doing that shit on my computer, consoles were designed to be a faster pick up and play in comparison to computers, at least on my comp I can surf the web while shit instals (and not on a gimped to fuck and back browser either, that applies to the PS3 browser and the god awful excuse for a browser that is IE.)

And before I get flamed for being an elitist PC fanboy, I'm not, I just play what works best for the situation, it's why I still play Dark Souls on my PS3, and I love doing LAN parties with Halo 3 on my 360. It's just what consoles had going for them over PCs is quickly being eclipsed by what computers can do.

just as a quick point, not trying to start an argument or anything..I can't speak for PS3 cause I've heard the installs can be monumental, but as far as the 360? an hour of installs? I've never had one take longer than 5 minutes, even the install that TC is complaining about for Halo 4 took less than 10 for me, just thought I'd point that out

Just thought I would point out that the bolded statement is contradicted by the italicized statement. Unless you mean that the Halo 4 install took less than 5 and that was a typo?

 

[savageoblivi0n]

*snip*

bah yeah I probably worded that badly, had just gotten home from class and hadn't finished my coffee yet lol....what I meant to say was something to the effect of how the installs usually take between 5-10 minutes for me, so I just watch a couple music videos on youtube or something then go back to enjoying my game , sorry if I caused any confusion.

 

[chadachada123]

I want to blame myself for not researching, but the thought of what they did never crossed my mind. Why would it? I've never seen it before on any other game. Games with more content don't even pull this shit, but enough jibber jabber. They gave me a second disc, yet it still wants me to install the multiplayer. I thought that was the purpose for the second disc, but it wasn't. I don't get it.Why would they do this? Mind you I have a 4gb HD (not by choice).

There's a ludicrously cheap and easy fix, actually. Just get a cheap (8Gb or better) flash drive and plug it in. You can find this things for less than $10 if you're lucky and will give you tons of extra space.

Also, I'm sorry to say this, but it does say on the box that the multiplayer requires an install. Installation makes the game run smoother and with far better textures as opposed to playing from the disc, given how late in this console generation we are.

To be frank, all this does is put Halo 4's multiplayer on the same level as PC gaming in terms of inconvenience. The single-player is still way more convenient when all you have to do is stick the disc in the drive and go.

 

[Epona]

I thought mandatory installs were bad on consoles when the Sony did it. I guess it's ok when Microsoft does it. Sony never sold a PS3 model without enough storage to accommodate a single mandatory install but here we have an 8 GB install and Microsoft is actively selling consoles that have only 4 GB of storage space. It's pathetic that people are defending this. As for the comparisons to PC, that's just the thing, consoles aren't PC's. Consoles are supposed to be plug and play.

Escapist, it's bad enough to have to type in captchas every few posts but atleast make them readable.

 

[Chonglei Chen]

Look up some third party xbox 360 harddrives on newegg or amazon. You should pay no more than $50 for one. I have a 120 gig for my slim that I got for about $40. The only drawback is that there's no partition for the original xbox emulator. Well worth the price I'd say.

 

[Rule Britannia]

If it's not your fault it's especially not 343's fault. If it's anybody's fault it would be microsoft's fault, for not making bigger hard drives back then.

You completely able to buy a new hard drive you can buy 60gb or 250gb. Don't pull the "I shouldn't have to buy a new hard drive to play this game" If you have a 4gb hard drive you brought it upon yourself.

On another note, Halo 4 is lovely

 

[Twilight_guy]

I don't understand your post. Maybe If I bought Halo 4 I would, but not all of us own the game. Could you elaborate? Also, hyperbole much there title?