Seeing as I have only seen (not played) 5 minutes of Halo: CE, I'm not going to make any judgments.
Halo is now underrated
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Yet he's part of the marines..thanks Bungi you did a bang-up job doing your research. Also the rank is Master Chief Petty Officer...anyways Halo CE was a good shooter not the best in the world, however after it became popular Bungi pretty much did what all businesses do with something popular they only see it as their cash cow, and thus treat the fans to a nice helping of shit with a side of C.E.O's getting $10,000 checks.monostable said:
I think the Halo games are, when you get right down to it, just really good games. It gets a lot of hype from the marketers and fanboys, and it gets a lot of hate from people who want to hate on it for whatever their reason. That's what happens to anything popular.
Personally I really like the Halo games but I can see why they wouldn't appeal to everyone.
Personally I really like the Halo games but I can see why they wouldn't appeal to everyone.
It's a shooter, and as shooters go, a pretty standard one. There is shooting, and there is not shooting, end of story. There isn't really a whole lot to get wrong, like a tricycle, if you're not a complete moron, you can pull it off. Other shooters try to add more elements, and if they pull them off, then they might be above the rest, and if they fail, they will be below. But Halo does not deserve much praise as it is pretty fucking standard. There was almost nothing in it I hadn't seen before in earlier games.
Edit: Also, Halo doesn't deserve much crap either, as it did what it did fairly smoothly, but it didn't try to do much, so still. I guess I just wish people would shut up about it soon.
Edit: Also, Halo doesn't deserve much crap either, as it did what it did fairly smoothly, but it didn't try to do much, so still. I guess I just wish people would shut up about it soon.
Heh, I too have the PC version of H:CE. It's a very good game.Jandau said:
Sadly, the other two in the series absolutely ruined it.
1) Console wars will always happen, it's usually the idiot kids who ruined Halo2+3 that cause these wars. They're stupid, really. I like console FPS's, but I must say they don't feel as well made as a PC FPS is, for example. Left4Dead is my example here, a lot of people knock the game but really it's one of the best games I've played in a long LONG time. The PC version, you can join a random game and although people maybe utterly useless at working as a team, you'll have a higher level of skill than on the Xbox. Now, I do know what I'm talking about here. Infected are a lot of fun to play. And people on the Xbox, only play things they can win (they hate to lose and always rage. Or atleast my experience.) Now, I know the game very well from the PC, and on the PC we have no button to turn 180 degrees. That screams to me that consoles are actually inferior control wise because of this. But I went along with it, it has no aim-assist (another reason I prefer PC games, it feels wrong.). Now, I joined a random vs game... as a survivor. I thought, cool, cool, I'll play this for a while. So I did. Dead Air 2 - Inside the first building, a tank spawned. My teammates ALL 3 OF THEM ran into the toilet and made it easy for the tank to kill them. I, on the other hand, knowing the game from the PC (I'm not saying I'm a god, but you learn when to jump to avoid the tank's fists etc) managed to take down the tank completely alone, in addition to 2 hunters, a boomer, and a respawning smoker.
My point is, this is why I prefer PC gaming, and why I percieve people bash console gamers. Why buy a game to not play it? Why do you not try to win rather than sit in a bath waiting for something with huge fists to pound you to death?
I have another example actually, of a console crossplatformer. Shadowrun. A mediocre game, but I actually liked it. I have friends who play the xbox so it was nice to play with them from my PC. Aim-assist was not removed in the port, so as a PC gamer, I had to fight AGAINST aim-assist in order to actually aim, the aim-assist was ruining my ability. The developers actually made the mouse carry lag, in order to balance the control system. That's bollocks, really, and unfortunately it's why I'll always praise the PC platform.
2) Very true.
3) Yep, people seem unable to form their own opinions.
Indeed, there are very crappy games out there that seem to be the best game in the world (Call of Duty 4 being the biggest example I can think of)
Call of Duty died, as a series to me, when Call of Duty 2 was released. I liked Call of Duty 2, but the regenarating health ruined the Bolt Action rifles. Call of Duty: United Offensive was great, it was fast paced FPS fun with health bars. A bolt could kill a sprayer.
Call of Duty 4, on the other hand, doesn't even have any weapon APART from spray weapons. Hell, people even spray with the sniper rifles (All bar the R700 ofcourse) due to the huge clips and rediculous amount of damage. If you want to have some level of skill, it's completely removed by the doofus with the P90 hiding round the corner. - Yet people hail it as a God among the gaming world.
Fans of games are weird.
Saying halo is underrated is sadly untrue, though. It was over-hyped, but it deserved the hype. People now just see it as something that has long since passed, and think Halo3 represents the whole series. It's sad, really :<
I agree with this fellow. By far the most common (and, pretty much only) complaint I ever hear about Halo as a series is that it's just "mediocre" and it "doesn't deserve the hype". These blanket criticisms piss me off, because they don't mean anything. It's just an escape route who want to be edgy but aren't smart enough to be so. What makes it mediocre? Yahtzee's word? I assume so, since maybe 5% of the many people I see using these criticisms are able to back them up with any conviction.CJ1145 said:
Think about it, how does hype make a game worse? How does it sully your enjoyment of a game? Are people really so stupid that they believe just because something is advertised on the side of every other bus, or in the cinemas, that their expectations are unreasonably raised? Halo has been advertised to shit, but any business with a successful franchise would do the same. If you count excess advertising as a bad thing, you are wrong, and that's all there is to it. Advertisements are designed to generate hype. That's what they do. Everyone knows this. But if you believe that an advert here and there somehow makes a game the antichrist, then there is simply no talking to you. In fact, come to think of it, I can't recall anyone saying Halo was going to be the best game ever. Microsoft said Halo 3 was going to be the biggest entertainment release of the century (or something), sure, but that's just marketing spiel, and it has precisely bugger all to do with the quality of the game anyway. The critics always cite this rabid, fanatic fanbase as a reason for hating the game, and I'm sure they do exist (as they do with every game) but I have never once encountered a single person, on the internet or in real life, who has said that Halo is the "best game ever" or anything to that effect.
A throw-away comment attacking a popular/great games based on what is considered one of its better points?Internet Kraken said:
If its not trolling its stupid.
The biggest reason many people hate Halo is because the people you meet online playing Halo are some of the most ridiculously stupid individuals on the face of the planet. It's as if Bungie hand-picked them from every trailer park in the US. Other games suffer this problem too, CoD4 for example, but not nearly to the extent that Halo does.
Halo = good
Halo players = knuckle dragging mouth-breathers
Halo = good
Halo players = knuckle dragging mouth-breathers
Try this experiment:
1.) Go to your local game store (not an electronics superstore like Best Buy. Think GameStop.)
2.) Look at the shelves dedicated to XBox 360.
3.) Count the number of games with split-screen multiplayer (or equivalent, same-screen multiplayer).
4.) Count the number of games that are single-player only.
Expected result:
You should see that A) the number of games dedicated to single player gameplay generally outnumber the ones with multiplayer, and B) the multiplayer split-screen games are even fewer in number than games that offer multiplayer as an add-on to a single player storyline.
My point:
You can't expect to make a game without a solid single player aspect, unless you're prepared for obscurity or "over-ratedness". It's not to say that Halo sucks, but it's not something a newcomer can just pick up and play co-op from somewhere in the middle. They clearly designed the game to be fun in multiplayer, and succeeded. For most people's money, they don't want to play a game that's only fun in multiplayer. This is supported by the fact that there are still so many games that don't even include a multiplayer aspect. The average person wants to play games when there aren't other people around - it's an interactive hobby designed for just that purpose. If the game requires multiple people to be fun, then why not do something else to begin with?
/bubble pipe
1.) Go to your local game store (not an electronics superstore like Best Buy. Think GameStop.)
2.) Look at the shelves dedicated to XBox 360.
3.) Count the number of games with split-screen multiplayer (or equivalent, same-screen multiplayer).
4.) Count the number of games that are single-player only.
Expected result:
You should see that A) the number of games dedicated to single player gameplay generally outnumber the ones with multiplayer, and B) the multiplayer split-screen games are even fewer in number than games that offer multiplayer as an add-on to a single player storyline.
My point:
You can't expect to make a game without a solid single player aspect, unless you're prepared for obscurity or "over-ratedness". It's not to say that Halo sucks, but it's not something a newcomer can just pick up and play co-op from somewhere in the middle. They clearly designed the game to be fun in multiplayer, and succeeded. For most people's money, they don't want to play a game that's only fun in multiplayer. This is supported by the fact that there are still so many games that don't even include a multiplayer aspect. The average person wants to play games when there aren't other people around - it's an interactive hobby designed for just that purpose. If the game requires multiple people to be fun, then why not do something else to begin with?
/bubble pipe
Now that I've thought about it a little more, I realize that calling the weapons perfect was very hyperbolic. The pistol is slightly overpowered, and the Needler is useless in multiplayer.
Coming back from Halo 2 and '3, I also realize that the Ghost handles poorly, so the controls are great on most things, but not perfect throughout.
At the risk of sounding like a fanboy and/or troll, I stick by everything else I said.
And about Bioshock: The ideas behind it are great, but it lacks in presentation. Any story is a failure when the Wikipedia plot synopsis is more interesting than the work itself.
Coming back from Halo 2 and '3, I also realize that the Ghost handles poorly, so the controls are great on most things, but not perfect throughout.
At the risk of sounding like a fanboy and/or troll, I stick by everything else I said.
And about Bioshock: The ideas behind it are great, but it lacks in presentation. Any story is a failure when the Wikipedia plot synopsis is more interesting than the work itself.
I've played Halo, Halo 2 on the 360.
I've played Halo:CE on PC.
My friends kicked my ass on the console, sheerly because the control scheme is not intutive, and the joysticks are sluggish. I remember thinking, "Give me a mouse and keyboard and they could not touch me". And I'm not that good of a player either. We played online on my character taking turns and they sucked horribly on the PC. They never again dogged me for my crappy control. Console FPS's will always be much less fun for me because of the joysticks.
And, no I'm not a PC elitist.
I've played Halo:CE on PC.
My friends kicked my ass on the console, sheerly because the control scheme is not intutive, and the joysticks are sluggish. I remember thinking, "Give me a mouse and keyboard and they could not touch me". And I'm not that good of a player either. We played online on my character taking turns and they sucked horribly on the PC. They never again dogged me for my crappy control. Console FPS's will always be much less fun for me because of the joysticks.
And, no I'm not a PC elitist.
i have to agree with you there. one thing that majorly pisses me off about halo's story is that most, almost all of it even, is in the books.jboking said:
I'm sorry what did you type, I didn't quite catch it because I was...NBSRDan said:
Learning the truth about my past and then vigorously beating the shit out of Andrew Ryan with his own golf club. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDcY-z2bi-8]
Thank you for understanding.ScientificDJ said:
yeah i mean i think halo would make an awesome universe if only the story was actually given to you in the medium it should be, ie the game. and it gets worse when apparent plot holes are created from it. want to find out how everyone miraculously appeared on earth between halo 2 and 3? then read some comic book series that practically no one has heard about! of course bungie (or microsoft, whoever's fault it is =P ), that's a perfectly acceptable and sensible way to convey your story! comic book you say? what was it's name again? it's just that neither me NOR ANYONE I KNOW HAS EVER EVEN HEARD OF IT before.
lol sorry got a bit carried away there.
lol sorry got a bit carried away there.