halo: reach, fall of reach, and first strike... do the puzzle pieces fit?

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kommunizt kat

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I finished halo reach and
jun takes halsey to a safe location and before that, halsey was in some caves for a while doing research
how does this fit in with the events that happened in the books? I thought kelly saved halsey...
 
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Yeah, Reach the game and Reach the book have some clashing. Bungie however made a statement about this, saying that the books are supplementary canon, while the games are core canon. If there's any inconsistency with the books and games, the games win every time.

They said Halo: Reach will piss the hardcore fans off in terms of lore, but honestly I don't mind. I'd much rather have them tell it their way and make it fun rather then make concessions in gameplay.
 

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Maybe Halsey got into some trouble between that rescue and the end? I have no idea since I didn't get to play Reach yet. Need to find a playthrough on the net that doesn't have the player doing a voiceover and isn't just a camcorder pointed at the screen. Or maybe this is a retcon. Dunno.
 

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Nieroshai said:
Maybe Halsey got into some trouble between that rescue and the end? I have no idea since I didn't get to play Reach yet. Need to find a playthrough on the net that doesn't have the player doing a voiceover and isn't just a camcorder pointed at the screen. Or maybe this is a retcon. Dunno.
thats what I was thinking, that probably Hasley was saved by Kelly off-screen.
 

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Irridium said:
Yeah, Reach the game and Reach the book have some clashing. Bungie however made a statement about this, saying that the books are supplementary canon, while the games are core canon. If there's any inconsistency with the books and games, the games win every time.

They said Halo: Reach will piss the hardcore fans off in terms of lore, but honestly I don't mind. I'd much rather have them tell it their way and make it fun rather then make concessions in gameplay.
This I keep telling people: in cases where, for example, the plot of the Metroid manga clashes with the scan data in Metroid Prime, the game ALWAYS wins out. The manga WAS published by Nintendo, but then again so was the terrible instruction manual for the NES Metroid that had Mother Brain as the leader of the Space Pirates rather than a machine, and Samus as a cyborg. She's not, she's a bio-enhanced soldier. The game contents of the series goes out of its way to ignore the manuals and graphic novels because they weren't written by the dev teams but by Nintendo editors and fans. But this being a Halo thread, I'll shut up now.

I still want a follow-up on Halo 3's cliffhanger Legendary ending with the machineworld-looking planet. Is the new studio going to do this, or abandon it like Bungie?
 

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Korten12 said:
Nieroshai said:
Maybe Halsey got into some trouble between that rescue and the end? I have no idea since I didn't get to play Reach yet. Need to find a playthrough on the net that doesn't have the player doing a voiceover and isn't just a camcorder pointed at the screen. Or maybe this is a retcon. Dunno.
thats what I was thinking, that probably Hasley was saved by Kelly off-screen.
It was announced that all of the novels' canon was going to avoid the games as much as possible aside from The Flood, because they're about the UNSC, not John-117. This is why I was surprised when Reach came out, but I assumed too much. Supposedly, the games will refer to an event from the novels but not actually show anything from them, because the books were made as a collaborative venture. Like Sgt. Johnson's refusal to tell you how he survived to be in Halo 2 because you're supposed to have read First Strike.
 
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Nieroshai said:
I still want a follow-up on Halo 3's cliffhanger Legendary ending with the machineworld-looking planet. Is the new studio going to do this, or abandon it like Bungie?
As of Reach, Bungie's done with Halo(apart from DLC).

I'm guessing 343 Industries, who's taking over Halo after Bungie, will elaborate on that.
 

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so is halsey really in a dyson sphere? and how are the spartan-III's higher ranking than spartan-IIs? I thought they weren't as good.
 

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It will all sort things out. They are trying to re-sell the books by updating them. They will probably add a chapter on how Jun gets killed. And if you read Halsey's Journal there are some answers there.
 

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kommunizt kat said:
so is halsey really in a dyson sphere? and how are the spartan-III's higher ranking than spartan-IIs? I thought they weren't as good.
Yes she is though an amaizng fanfic writer wrote a sort of continuation series that is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood! That I thought I was reading one of Eric Nylunds works. read it: (warning if you haven't read Ghosts of Onyx you will be slightly confused at parts but I assume you have read it)

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=31052475&postRepeater1-p=1
 

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A bit of spoilers for anyone who hasn't quite finished yet.

Kelly? She had nothing to do with Halsey being at Castle base. According to the books Halsey was at Castle base as a backup plan to destroy any documents or data that might aid the Covenant. Seems to fit snugly into Halo:Reach. The real canon issue is with the presence of SPARTAN-IIIs on Reach and Halsey even meeting them at several times. Ghosts of Onyx (and First Strike a bit) seem to indicate that both the SPARTAN-IIs and Dr. Halsey were unaware of the existence of SPARTAN-IIIs. Yet in Halo:Reach both sides seem fully aware of SPARTAN-IIIs. Additionally the books mention the Pillar of Autumn fighting in space with Cortana on board before leaving Reach. Yet in Halo:Reach the Autumn is docked on Reach during the invasion and Cortana isn't even on board yet.

I could go on for quite a while. Thankfully none of the issues are quite glaring enough to earn my ire. If you simply rewrote a few pages of First Strike I'm sure it would all fit quite neatly into the canon.

Although some of this may have been fixed in the reprint, which I haven't read yet.
 

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Halsey left the Sword Base, and volunteered to detonate the Castle Base when, ultimately, it became necessary. Most probably, Jun transported her to Castle Base, where, eventually, she was saved by Fred, Kelly and the others. Perhaps I'm meant to refer to the games as full canon, however, I must say I'd rather the books be considered canon first, as game story-lines must change for gameplay purposes. The Pillar would most likely not be able to land and relaunch unassisted from a planet. The best point for repair and refit would be dry dock in orbit. She's an old ship design. Lots of holes, but I'll take the books before the game, myself.

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Talon Julius said:
A bit of spoilers for anyone who hasn't quite finished yet.

Kelly? She had nothing to do with Halsey being at Castle base. According to the books Halsey was at Castle base as a backup plan to destroy any documents or data that might aid the Covenant. Seems to fit snugly into Halo:Reach. The real canon issue is with the presence of SPARTAN-IIIs on Reach and Halsey even meeting them at several times. Ghosts of Onyx (and First Strike a bit) seem to indicate that both the SPARTAN-IIs and Dr. Halsey were unaware of the existence of SPARTAN-IIIs. Yet in Halo:Reach both sides seem fully aware of SPARTAN-IIIs. Additionally the books mention the Pillar of Autumn fighting in space with Cortana on board before leaving Reach. Yet in Halo:Reach the Autumn is docked on Reach during the invasion and Cortana isn't even on board yet.

I could go on for quite a while. Thankfully none of the issues are quite glaring enough to earn my ire. If you simply rewrote a few pages of First Strike I'm sure it would all fit quite neatly into the canon.

Although some of this may have been fixed in the reprint, which I haven't read yet.
In Halsey's journal, it explains that Cortana just had a part of her separated from her main, which Smart AI's are quite easily able to do. The "Cortana" that you deliver, was just a part of her, perhaps it was expected to be able to be delivered when further time on the forerunner structure was able to be completed, but with the Covvie presence, plans were screwed up. The main flaw is the Pillar, and the length of time UNSC knew about the Covvies. In my opinion.
 

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Talon Julius said:
A bit of spoilers for anyone who hasn't quite finished yet.

Kelly? She had nothing to do with Halsey being at Castle base. According to the books Halsey was at Castle base as a backup plan to destroy any documents or data that might aid the Covenant. Seems to fit snugly into Halo:Reach. The real canon issue is with the presence of SPARTAN-IIIs on Reach and Halsey even meeting them at several times. Ghosts of Onyx (and First Strike a bit) seem to indicate that both the SPARTAN-IIs and Dr. Halsey were unaware of the existence of SPARTAN-IIIs. Yet in Halo:Reach both sides seem fully aware of SPARTAN-IIIs. Additionally the books mention the Pillar of Autumn fighting in space with Cortana on board before leaving Reach. Yet in Halo:Reach the Autumn is docked on Reach during the invasion and Cortana isn't even on board yet.

I could go on for quite a while. Thankfully none of the issues are quite glaring enough to earn my ire. If you simply rewrote a few pages of First Strike I'm sure it would all fit quite neatly into the canon.

Although some of this may have been fixed in the reprint, which I haven't read yet.
Yeah only Kurt knew about the Spartan III's since he helped train them.
 

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Also, as a side thought... When most people see a Spartan III, I would imagine they wouldn't know the difference between a II and III. In Halsey's journal, she even suggested that more Spartan II's were out there besides Gray Team. "That lie about all the Spartans gathered here, save for Gray - will that come back to haunt me?" - Dr. Halsey. She had also suggested they could/would/have corrected the issues with the Spartans whom failed to make it out of the augmentations unscathed.
 

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Link Kadeshi said:
Also, as a side thought... When most people see a Spartan III, I would imagine they wouldn't know the difference between a II and III. In Halsey's journal, she even suggested that more Spartan II's were out there besides Gray Team. "That lie about all the Spartans gathered here, save for Gray - will that come back to haunt me?" - Dr. Halsey. She had also suggested they could/would/have corrected the issues with the Spartans whom failed to make it out of the augmentations unscathed.
Read up on Halsey journal, it explains everything. :p though I don't own it so I couldn't read everything.

Though it said that Halsey thought they were spartan 2's.
 

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Irridium said:
Yeah, Reach the game and Reach the book have some clashing. Bungie however made a statement about this, saying that the books are supplementary canon, while the games are core canon. If there's any inconsistency with the books and games, the games win every time.

They said Halo: Reach will piss the hardcore fans off in terms of lore, but honestly I don't mind. I'd much rather have them tell it their way and make it fun rather then make concessions in gameplay.
Also, having a badass Asian sniper protect one of the the most important people in the Halo canon is fine by me, as long as they don't radically change the story.
 

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I always sorta figured Jun got into a similar situation as Noble 6 did at the end. But that may be the easy way out explaining it.
 

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Looking at this, It sort of makes sense now
August 30, 2552
0447 Hours: The Remote Scanning Outpost Fermion detects incoming Covenant vessels. An emergency message is relayed to FLEETCOM. The outpost then self-destructs per the Cole
Protocol due to an unsecured science library and nearby Covenant forces.

0500 Hours: A fleet of 314[17] Covenant vessels exits slipspace on the edge of the system.

0517 Hours: Admiral Roland Freemont (FLEETCOM Sector One Commander) issues a general order to all vessels in the Reach, Jericho, and Tantalus systems.[18] All vessels and stations initiate the Cole Protocol and rush to Rally Point ZULU.

0534 Hours: Covenant vessels make pinpoint slipspace jumps attempting to destroy any incoming or outgoing human vessels before they can regroup. A Covenant Carrier targets the UNSC Pillar of Autumn but is destroyed.

0545 Hours: The Covenant vessels begin a frontal assault. As the Covenant and Human fleets engage above Reach, it seems to be a stalemate, as Covenant ships take out UNSC ships, while the UNSC ships and MAC cannons take out an equal number. The first salvo by the UNSC vessels destroys a third of the remaining Covenant fleet. A previously unknown Covenant warship, called a Supercruiser by Captain Keyes, arrives and destroys several UNSC ships while outside human weapons range.

0558 Hours: Station Gamma Dockmaster AI Doppler is unable to implement the Cole Protocol on the UNSC Circumference, an ONI prowler docked at Reach Station Gamma, due to measures taken to maintain the secrecy of Operation: HYPODERMIC. Doppler sends priority message to FLEETCOM concerning this violation. Covenant intrusion software detects this oversight, and the Covenant deploys troops to seize the NAV database aboard the Circumference.

0616 Hours: The SPARTAN soldiers are dispatched from the Pillar of Autumn. John-117, Linda-058, and James (SPARTAN-II) form Blue Team and go aboard the Dock to destroy the Circumference, while the remainder form Red Team and head to the surface of Reach to defend the power generators for the MAC guns. James goes MIA when a Needler hits his T-PACK and propels him into space during combat. Blue Team continue through the station, rescuing Sgt. Johnson; Pvt. O'Brien; Pvt. Bisenti and Pvt. Jenkins from Kig-yar and Sangheili.

0620 Hours: The Covenant fleet retreats from the system after deploying dropships. The UNSC fleet fires on the ships, destroying many. Hundreds of dropships land on Reach.

0621 Hours: The boarding craft are landed and the armory is overrun; the Covenant fleet returns to the system. The Covenant split their 150+ remaining ships. One fleet attacks the UNSC ships, while another takes out the MAC cannons and send in troops to land on Reach. The UNSC try to split their 50+ remaining forces to engage the Covenant, but there are too many platforms to cover and too many casualties. The Supercruiser continues to destroy UNSC ships, allowing the other ships to attack the MAC cannons. Eventually the Supercruiser is destroyed by the Pillar of Autumn, but the UNSC fleet is practically decimated so it is too late to do any good.

0631 Hours: Red Team is shot down. They have no choice but to jump from the crashing Pelican and make a "hard landing" on the ground. Results in four dead and six seriously injured.

0637 Hours: The SPARTAN-II team on the Circumference mission returns to the Pillar of Autumn. Only John-117 and clinically dead Linda-058 make it back, with Sergeant Johnson, Private O'Brien, Private Bisenti, and Private Jenkins.

0647 Hours: The Pillar of Autumn attempts to retreat from the system, but remains there for unknown reasons and heads for a drydock at the Aszod ship breaking yards on Reach.

0649 Hours: Red Team sets up defenses around ODG Facility A-331.

0711 Hours: Fred-104, Joshua-029, and Kelly-087 plant a nuclear warhead through the gravity lift in a landing Covenant cruiser, leaving Joshua-029 MIA, (presumed KIA) in the process.

0720 Hours: The Covenant destroys ODG Facility A-331 by aerial bombardment (glassing), though some Spartans escape. The surviving MAC guns are now offline and are quickly destroyed by plasma torpedoes. Remaining UNSC vessels have no choice but to retreat. The Covenant warships are split into two groups: 5 ship teams that hunt down the surviving UNSC vessels and a group of ships that align themselves in formation and begin to glass Reach.

1652 hours: The remainder of Noble Team head to the Aszod ship breaking yards to deliver a fragment of Cortana holding important navigation data to the Pillar of Autumn. Before 20.00, S-B312 successfully delivers the package to the Autumn and allows the vessel to escape by destroying an incoming Covenant battlecruiser. The Pillar of Autumn, pursued by a dozen Covenant vessels, retreats from the system, heading for Installation 04.

2000 Hours: SPARTAN-B312 is one of the few standing survivors at the ship-breaking yards of Aszod. He or she fights off waves of Covenant forces, until overwhelmed and eventually killed by Sangheili warriors.

September 2552
September 7th
0002 Hours: The SPARTAN Red team survivors and Dr. Halsey, after days of walking through the abandoned Titanium mines below CASTLE base, reach a corridor covered in Forerunner symbols.
shortly afterwards: A series of detonations by Covenant forces looking for them cause the deaths of Vinh-030 and Isaac-039.
taken from the halo wiki and I'm not exactly sure if its all canon but yeah...