Halo: Reach Reviews Trickling In
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Well, you should receive a very firm slap upside the head for thinking stripping away functionality can ever be referred to as "innovation."theSovietConnection said:
The idea that halo was "innovative" because it was a console shooter that wasn't "terrible," is also a very flawed manner of thinking.
What halo did to the industry is the exact opposite of innovation. It took what other, better games did and dumbed down their unique qualities to fit into console controls. Then, by proving this was successful, opened up a very shitty era in gaming that doesn't seem it'll end.
You think we're ever going to get new controllers that aren't retarded gimmicks? No, because no one wants to risk alienating the halo fratboys.
And what exactly did Halo, the game that you so obviously didn't play, strip away? Which qualities from better games did it dumb down?Cynical skeptic said:
Seriously, you can't just throw stuff like that around and expect it to fly? Halo ruined FPS for you? Too bad. Doesn't seem to be the problem for anyone else in this thread.
Petty much? You just combined two things that you obviously didn't like into one despite them having really little relation.Cynical skeptic said:
Seems they had some weird ideas on what to expect during the single player, at least as opposed to what I'm expecting personally. I know when I think of Spartans I don't think of superheroes each with varying powers.Sacman said:
Well, the multiplayer was a dumbed down version of TRIBES, the "story" was a bad attempt at duplicating half-life's presentation (but failing so utterly, it felt more like DOOM... 1), then the control scheme and regenerating health were present in other games that weren't hyped nearly as hard.JourneyThroughHell said:
So the three "unique" "innovations" of halo already existed in other games. Basically, in order to say halo is innovative, you have to add the modifier "for a console shooter." You'd also have to ignore all of PC gaming up to that point.
Also, it doesn't matter if I liked it or not. The game was utterly derivative in every way possible. Whether or not [random guy] on the internet liked it doesn't change this.
As for the last part you clearly didn't understand, what was once an attempt to shoehorn FPS gameplay into the very limited controls of consoles, is now the mold all console controller design must conform to. Meaning apart from desperate pandering to the 'non-gaming' demographics, we're not going to see any further advancement of controller design.
Wishing I hadn't read the reviews for it, because now I am just more pumped up and can't wait these 2 damn days.
Umm, yes, it does, actually. Whether or not a lot of [random guys} liked it and deemed it innovative actually has a significant impact on it being worthy as a game.Cynical skeptic said:
I can go out and say "it doesn't matter whether I like SoTC, that game is boring and whether or not people liked it doesn't change this". But that's not a particularly strong argument.
But I should probably more specific.
It was. But it went its own way and what you call "dumbing down" can easily be called "refining". Sure, multiplayer in CE was not that good, but it was great in Halo 2.Cynical skeptic said:
So, the "story" was attempting to copy another games presentation... Does not compute.Cynical skeptic said:
Even it it did, you clearly misplaced Half-Life here, because the presentation in those games is about as different as they get in FPS games.
Also, Halo didn't actually have health regen in the traditional sense of the word, but that's neither here nor there.
I'm not saying Halo is particularly innovative, but it's not derivative either. It refined the console shooter control scheme, encouraged heavy use of vehicles in multiplayer (something not particularly common before Battlefield 1942). Oh, and it was very polished, atmospheric and enjoyable, far more so than it pretty much every other console shooter of that time, save for maybe Time Splitters.
Why should we? Is there any advancement in the PC FPS controls? None that I know of.Cynical skeptic said:
The fact that this is the design that became standard doesn't mean Halo is derivative or that it sucks, it just means that it fits really well and people don't have a problem with it.
Well, since all you really did was quibble and say "people liked it!!" I guess I can't say much, so I guess you win! Hooray for you!JourneyThroughHell said:
But please, look up "refining." You essentially said the exact same thing I did, except with an extremely positive spin.
I guess so. I also guess that there is no way to argue about stuff like that, because if you really think the presentation in Halo is similar to Half-Life, there is no way I can prove you wrong.Cynical skeptic said:
Also, refined =/= derivative. Similar? Yes. The same? No.
Anyone else being an absolute dick like me and buying the extra-special Halo themed 360 on the night?
In my defence, I'm not even that gigantic a Halo fan, I just needed a new 360 and bizarrely the special edition one works out cheaper than the standard...
In my defence, I'm not even that gigantic a Halo fan, I just needed a new 360 and bizarrely the special edition one works out cheaper than the standard...
Uh, these are what the forums are gonna be like for the next week aren't they? xD
I don't see why everyone's saying, "these reviews are affirming my decision to buy it." It's Halo, dare I say it doesn't get the scores it does for actually being the best of the bunch.
I don't see why everyone's saying, "these reviews are affirming my decision to buy it." It's Halo, dare I say it doesn't get the scores it does for actually being the best of the bunch.
My mate who has been constantly slagging off Halo Reach for the better part of about six months turned around to me the other day and said he was getting the Halo Reach console. Ohhh how i laughed.kintaris said:
Nowt wrong with getting the console, i want the Halo Reach Console but i think getting that and the Legendary edition might be going abit to far, no?
On a side note in regards to reviewers, i pay about as much attention to them as i do to the lammposts in my street. Reviews on the internet are so drenched in bias that they have no value. Any major game title is going to get lavish praise, and somehow games like Kane and Lynch 2 will get good scores.
Then you have people like Yahtzee who just rip the games to shreds. Funny yes but you shouldn't listen to him for advice on whether the game is worth a damn or not.