Hand wringing, guiltmongering and race card playing.

[10BIT]

The amount of brainwashed, ignorant, misinformed, liberal bullshit in this thread is sickening enough to get me to register to comment on it. The way all the flaming morons against the OP are replying really doesn't speak well for them or their stance on the topic when placed against OP's calm, sound arguments.

Thank's for that, I needed a good laugh.

Well, there are too many things for me to answer them all, and too much inflammatory language for me to read all the posts with any diligence. I will say that no arguments I have seen have impressed me, they're full of logical fallacies and light on any kind of supportable fact.

Could you point out these fallacies for me at least, please? I was unable to find any when I read through the replies, so it would help me to formulate an argument you'd accept knowing what you find unacceptable. Plus, if you quote them, they'll realise that you are still carrying on this conversation and will be able to provide better arguments; otherwise you'll be stuck with me.

Spoiler: You also remind me of this:

I will say that I continue to believe that racism is not a major force in the Western World, in fact, it's illegal.

How does making it illegal make it a non-issue? Anyway, only in certain conditions is it illegal, e.g. being denied a job based solely on your ethnicity.

Arizona was not an example of racism, it was an attempt to enforce a law by requiring officers to ask for proof of legal residence IF THERE IS REASONABLE CAUSE TO DO SO.

And, as you have so kindly highlighted for me, the problem is when is it reasonable cause to do so? As has been stated before, some of the enforcers believe possessing brown skin is enough of a reason to ask for them.

Quick Question: Do you know what it's called when you believe someone is breaking the law based on the colour of their skin?

Spoiler: Answer

Correct! Well done little black dude!

All of the people calling baloney on my statements, point to some definable statement that proves racism is involved.

Err... I think you left out a very important word (and the wrong punctuation) in this sentence, unless you're saying we've proved you wrong already. I'm not trying to be a grammar Nazi, I just found it funny.

You make some claims that approach being factual, but lack of any kind of citation makes me wonder about some of them.

Spoiler: Again!

I'm willing to admit that at least some of the people objecting to it are doing so due to lack of information, but calling someone an idiot NEVER changed their mind.

My sister would. It was a lot of fun controlling her by saying 'You're an idiot if you [insert opposite of what you want her to do here]'. She didn't like being seen as being stupid, so would do what she thought would make her seem intelligent.

But back to the point you were trying to make - no one is doing that. Everyone calling you stupid(well most of them at least) is giving reasons as to why you're claims are idiotic and hope that their reasoned debate is enough to convince you.

I don't think racism has anything to do with it, to prove it does would require reading minds.

Or being able to analyse their behaviour/what they say. It's not hard to determine whether someone's a racist.

As for the accusations of me watching Fox, I try to avoid corporate news outlets of all politics.

This makes me worried about how you've managed to come to the exact same delusions. Do you use a site that souses Fox News?

As for the 'Black/Hispanic people get paid less', thing, you'd have to prove that that's the case. I am not aware of anyone making such a claim. Illegal workers do get paid less, but that should hardly seem surprising as this is exactly why they are attractive to employers.

A quick google search gave me this. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States#Race]

The link shows that, with the same amount of education, Asians/White people earn far more on average than Hispanics/Black people.

If you made a reasonable case with observable fact, and I ignored it, I'm sorry. I can only look at so many obnoxious anime pictures attempting to make fun of me.

There has only been one anime-looking image, and none of the images used were there to mock you, only to help the poster to make their point clearer. Stop making such pitiful excuses and actually read these replies. You did create this topic to have a discussion, did you not?

 

[ohellynot]

The White European Empire

No such thing. There were the British Empire, The German empire, the French Empire and the Dutch Empire but no "White European Empire".

On the subject of Islam. Look, PR aside, the Crusades were a war of Muslim aggression and Christian defense

Those are some strong bows the Muslims have got, to be threatening England like that. Because no Muslim army ever invaded.

And besides all of the Crusades after, like, the second failed becasu the Muslim countries were so far away everyone was too tired to fight when they got there.
Slightly unfair point as for quite a long time the Turks held about half of the Iberian peninsula (Spain) before it was united by Ferdinand and Isabella who conquered the entire region. SO they did have a strong presence in Europe for quite a while. I do have an A-level on this matter so I do consider myself rather well informed.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Well, there are too many things for me to answer them all, and too much inflammatory language for me to read all the posts with any diligence. I will say that no arguments I have seen have impressed me, they're full of logical fallacies and light on any kind of supportable fact.

Translation: I've got nothing, but I don't want to concede defeat so I'll blame my opponents for my inability to understand.

I will say that I continue to believe that racism is not a major force in the Western World, in fact, it's illegal.

So are murder, rape and theft. As we know, none of those ever happen. Oh, wait...

Arizona was not an example of racism, it was an attempt to enforce a law by requiring officers to ask for proof of legal residence IF THERE IS REASONABLE CAUSE TO DO SO.

In this case, reasonable cause is seen as being the wrong colour. It's impossible to deny this. The law may not be racist in intention, but it most certainly will be in it's enactment. If I were to move to Arizona and live there illegally, do you think cops would hear my British accent and assume I was an illegal? Probably not. If I were Mexican, though, I'd bet my life savings on being stopped simply because the mental association is that since most illegals in Arizona are Mexican, Mexican = illegal. Even if you're wrong, you can safely say you had reasonable cause to ask for the paperwork based on the statistics.

The 'ground zero mosque' situation. All of the people calling baloney on my statements, point to some definable statement that proves racism is involved. You make some claims that approach being factual, but lack of any kind of citation makes me wonder about some of them. I'm willing to admit that at least some of the people objecting to it are doing so due to lack of information, but calling someone an idiot NEVER changed their mind. I don't think racism has anything to do with it, to prove it does would require reading minds. As for the accusations of me watching Fox, I try to avoid corporate news outlets of all politics.

Racism may not be directly involved (though without doubt many of the protesters assume that brown people = muslim = bad) but bigotry is. The majority of those protesting the building of the community centre are ignorant enough to believe that the building is an insult simply because the people building it are muslims. This, to be frank, is right-wing propaganda intended to use "patriotism" as a way to condemn and villify muslim people. They own the land, they're free to build what they like there, and 9/11 was not planned by all muslims. It was planned by some muslims; a fact that the right wing conveniently forgets when condemning the entire religion. Much is made of Islam being violent, of the repression of women, etc, but very few of the people who tout these points like to be reminded that these things define radical Islam, and that examples of all the things they rage against can be found in their own Bible.

The amount of brainwashed, ignorant, misinformed, liberal bullshit in this thread is sickening enough to get me to register to comment on it. The way all the flaming morons against the OP are replying really doesn't speak well for them or their stance on the topic when placed against OP's calm, sound arguments.

Son, your ignorance is showing. The OP has put forward several badly-researched points which run contrary to all evidence and even common sense. He went so far as to call a community centre several blocks away from a disaster site a "slap in the face", which thus far I've only heard from hyper-bigoted conservative morons who parrot the opinions of their equally bigoted media figures.

I'm not convinced you only joined up here to bash liberals - I'm leaning towards you being a sock puppet or just a plain old troll.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I've just realised that, much like the Abyss that Nietzsche spoke of, if you stare too long into The Stupid, The Stupid stares back.