Hardcore gaming is dead forever...
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To put it bluntly I think you have your head quite firmly stuck up your ass. Sorry, I can't think of a better way of saying it and I've been gaming since the mid 80's.
Also watch this http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4092-In-Defense-of-Nostalgia
and have a little perspective eh?
Also watch this http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4092-In-Defense-of-Nostalgia
and have a little perspective eh?
If you think post numbers mean something your clearly just a idiot, who is one of the masses. Try reading, and taking in what its about. Not just shooting A man down with no substance replays.Xartyve2 said:
On Topic: I have to agree but there will always be the hard core games on the PC. (were 99% of hard core games are. Not a " Elitist" its just the way it works.) Its just there is so many weak "dumbed down" games out there, it makes the good ones hard to find.
I had to laugh when I saw "Zynga's profits down" in the news, and then right below it "Hardcore gaming is dead forever". Seriously, chill out. Hardcore gaming is thriving, in my opinion. I suppose it depends on your definition of harcore gaming though.
I feel like this image captures what the OP is talking about, and I fully agree with it
fact is, games aren't made to be complex and interesting. They are made like popcorn flicks where anyone can sit down, have some fun experiencing them, and then throw them away and forget about them by the time the next one comes around. It's like games want to be Michael Bay's movies. All hype and flash, but no real substance. Even games that are lauded as "hard core" are just either artificially difficult (one-hit deaths), or severely punishing (low checkpoints). I want complexity and depth. I want to be able to find new ways to beat the game without some one holding my hand and telling me I'm not allowed to play my own way.
While greatly simplified, I feel like Borderlands was a great example of a modern game that allowed the complex freedom I want. Each class is granted skills that work great with a certain weapon class, but if you take your time and think about it, there are plenty of other weapon classes that can be used instead of the intended class. Granting the sniper a shield penetration skill was almost necessary just to keep him as powerful as some of the other assault classes, but if you choose to ignore sniper rifles and just use shotguns, the same shield penetration abilities still apply. Suddenly, the player is taking them game into their own hands and is not letting themselves be guided by what the developer decided was the only way you were allowed to have fun.
I feel like Diablo 3 is going to be the opposite of this. The players will be forced to play the game only the way Blizzard says. I know in Diablo 2 I enjoyed all sorts of hacked off-line playthroughs just because I was tired of how the game started with every character. Blizzard is making sure with an iron fist that all players, new and veteran, will have to go through all the same patronizing steps.
fact is, games aren't made to be complex and interesting. They are made like popcorn flicks where anyone can sit down, have some fun experiencing them, and then throw them away and forget about them by the time the next one comes around. It's like games want to be Michael Bay's movies. All hype and flash, but no real substance. Even games that are lauded as "hard core" are just either artificially difficult (one-hit deaths), or severely punishing (low checkpoints). I want complexity and depth. I want to be able to find new ways to beat the game without some one holding my hand and telling me I'm not allowed to play my own way.
While greatly simplified, I feel like Borderlands was a great example of a modern game that allowed the complex freedom I want. Each class is granted skills that work great with a certain weapon class, but if you take your time and think about it, there are plenty of other weapon classes that can be used instead of the intended class. Granting the sniper a shield penetration skill was almost necessary just to keep him as powerful as some of the other assault classes, but if you choose to ignore sniper rifles and just use shotguns, the same shield penetration abilities still apply. Suddenly, the player is taking them game into their own hands and is not letting themselves be guided by what the developer decided was the only way you were allowed to have fun.
I feel like Diablo 3 is going to be the opposite of this. The players will be forced to play the game only the way Blizzard says. I know in Diablo 2 I enjoyed all sorts of hacked off-line playthroughs just because I was tired of how the game started with every character. Blizzard is making sure with an iron fist that all players, new and veteran, will have to go through all the same patronizing steps.
I'd say OP is sort of right but a little confused. Casual is games like bejeweled or angry birds, quick to pick up and play. The more appropriate term for the dominant gamers game of today would be 'mainstream'. The big developers have mastered the art of making a big budget game that has wide spread appeal at all levels. There are problems with this but really it's not that bad, and the indy market has really stepped in to pick up the slack for niche gaming.
Personally I find the most concerning thing is the stripping of long standing PC game assets in order to monetize PC-like aspects of console gaming. Really the only true jerks in this area though are Blizzard-Activision, with EA being on the fence. As long as there's equally strong companies like Valve and Bethesda that keep games open on PC for free user generated content I'm happy.
Personally I find the most concerning thing is the stripping of long standing PC game assets in order to monetize PC-like aspects of console gaming. Really the only true jerks in this area though are Blizzard-Activision, with EA being on the fence. As long as there's equally strong companies like Valve and Bethesda that keep games open on PC for free user generated content I'm happy.
I don't agree. Short term yes, but not in the long term. The hardcore people are the ones who will always return but the casuals...this is a problem Nintendo is currently facing big time with the 3DS. The 3DS isn't selling as well as the big N hoped and why is that? Mainly because the casuals already know what games they like (casual games) and the can already get those games on the cheaper 3DS. I'm guessing that a lot of the casuals who do buy a 3ds are the people who don't already have a regular DS (I know this is the case with my younger sister). And even then, they just end up buying regular DS games.Grand Master Sage said:
The game experience is the same and the games being in 3D or having better graphics means nothing to the casuals because they don't care about that stuff. Hardcore gamers do though.
This is likely the reason why Nintendo is now marketing hardcore games like Mario Kart, Star Fox and Zelda for the 3ds over the usual Wii sports clone stuff. Casuals aren't buying cos they have no reason to and that's not going to change for a while. Hardcores though...if the games are there, they will come. There simply aren't enough right now to convince most hardcore gamers.
And it will be worse with the Wii U because it will essentially be the same situation but on a larger scale. Casuals have already bought their Wii and they can get their fix of casual games with it for a lower price than the Wii U.
Hardcore gamers, on the other hand, will buy it if the games they want are there. After the Wii disaster, Nintendo is going to have to try twice as hard to convince the hardcore gamers to upgrade.
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i think your worring over nothing really gameing is better better all the time and hardcore gameing should not really matter as long as we get good games
I think you're a troll and if not a troll then a hipster. I don't talk to trolls and I think hipsters have their heads too far up their asses to think straight. You're thread makes me sad since so many people are paying attention to your plees for attention when they should treat you like the child you are and firmly rebuke such threads.
Gee, what a shocker: an inflammatory, declarative thread title, followed by a paragraph that frantically tries to establish a moderate "personal opinion."
Sorry to break it to you, but you're coming across like the gaming equivalent of a hipster. You refuse to believe that anything remotely 'mainstream' can fit your definition of 'hardcore,' and you even set up your standards to fulfill that. Do you think 'casual' gamers are the ones going out to buy Skyrim and Battlefield, Saints Row and Assassin's Creed? Or have those become too popular to be considered 'hardcore'?Grand Master Sage said:
