Hardcore, or Just Plain Troll?

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Eqan Asif said:
Something a friend told me got me thinking, according to him people who aren't trolls aren't "real" "hardcore" gamers. Let me elaborate: people who don't use the word "noob" and "fag" as adjectives aren't real gamers.

I know that subjectives topics like these lead to no end, but personally, I'm on the fence on this one. Sometimes I feel good when I'm an asshole to someone on the internet--especially at a game I'm good at--and other times I know that those who excel at their game don't really need to be complete dicks. But being a "troll" (sometimes) differentiates us from the Twilight crowed--a crowd we all love to hate.

So am I the only one?
well first off,

gamer=one who plays games

kid who claims the difference between not real gamers and hardcore= complete close minded douchebag who needs to let go of his elitist e-penis

now anyways, granted if they are an asshole, dish out the facts and put the asshole in his place, but really if someone is a "newbie" dont be the old 'hardcore' elitist douchebag, that just ruins the fun for everyone
 

thethingthatlurks

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There's a huge difference between gloating online and being a dick to random strangers. If you're the latter, kindly remove yourself from the gene pool, ideally in a way that involves fire.
 

Monkfish Acc.

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Monkfish Acc. said:
Okay, "troll" is not synonymous with "gigantic douchebag".
A troll is someone who deliberately acts like a tool to provoke a reaction for fun and profit.
A gigantic douchebag is just a gigantic douchebag.
One could argue that trolls are douchebags but the clear difference is that one does stupid, obnoxious shit on PURPOSE.
Uhhh... Yes it is. It's just one of those things. You know, all trolls are gigantic douchebags, but not all gigantic douchebags are trolls.
Right, because a dickish hobby totally cancels out every other aspect of a person's personality and makes them a collosal fuckhead.

Seriously, that is a bit like saying all cops are bastards, or all doctors are arrogant dicks. Kind of a blanket statement, and kind of ridiculously ignorant.
 

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As defined by the gaming community a gamer is anyone who plays video games regularly, casual gamers spend a few hours on games and don't really pay attention to gaming news. while hardcore gamers play hours upon hours of games and keep up with gaming news.
 

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I have played games online since there have been games to play online. I will never be the one to pick a petty argument because it ultimately does not serve any goal I might have. It does not increase my enjoyment (I can enrage people in real life, there's no sport when it's a stranger), it does not make me more likely to win, I won't win friends or anything else.

I recognize that while I might be pretty good at games I choose to play for long periods, there are always people better (or worse) than me. The scoreboard at the end of the match tells the story better than childish name calling might. I'm more than aware enough to know when I achieved victory through circustance or luck and when I actually had to work for it. I can distngiush between skill and strategy and cheating without effort and I expect the rest of the world can too if they want to be honest with themselves.

It is people who feel it necessary to voice their disapproval of the actions of others in a fashion that is inherently non-constructive (being a jerk is more likely to encourage the behavior you want to stop after all) that ensure I rarely put my headset on when in a game with strangers. They add absolutely nothing to the game, they add nothing to the discussion and seek and are therefore uttery unworthy of my or anyone else's attention.

Of course, there are effective uses for trolling. Trolling is, after all, defined quite simply as making a comment designed to cause an emotional reaction of some sort. When one asserts that, because I killed them with a rocket launcher I must be gay, I respond with a classic troll line by pointing out that apparantly enjoying the company of men does not stop me from besting them. Trolling is little more than the internet's version of sarcasm, which other media have demonstrated can be used constructively (satire and wit, as seen in classical authors like Voltaire or Jonathan Swift) or non-constructively (attempting to engage a senile old man in a debate regarding the inherent morality of advocating fewer restrictions on firearms). The trouble is, people on the internet have an especially hard time distinguishing between the two, and often when someone thinks they're being clever, they just look like an empty-headed douchebag instead.
 

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Monkfish Acc. said:
canadamus_prime said:
Monkfish Acc. said:
Okay, "troll" is not synonymous with "gigantic douchebag".
A troll is someone who deliberately acts like a tool to provoke a reaction for fun and profit.
A gigantic douchebag is just a gigantic douchebag.
One could argue that trolls are douchebags but the clear difference is that one does stupid, obnoxious shit on PURPOSE.
Uhhh... Yes it is. It's just one of those things. You know, all trolls are gigantic douchebags, but not all gigantic douchebags are trolls.
Right, because a dickish hobby totally cancels out every other aspect of a person's personality and makes them a collosal fuckhead.

Seriously, that is a bit like saying all cops are bastards, or all doctors are arrogant dicks. Kind of a blanket statement, and kind of ridiculously ignorant.
Ordinarily you'd be right, but since a troll's sole defining characteristic is being a colossal douchebag, I think that's a pretty safe generalization.
 

Monkfish Acc.

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canadamus_prime said:
Monkfish Acc. said:
canadamus_prime said:
Monkfish Acc. said:
Okay, "troll" is not synonymous with "gigantic douchebag".
A troll is someone who deliberately acts like a tool to provoke a reaction for fun and profit.
A gigantic douchebag is just a gigantic douchebag.
One could argue that trolls are douchebags but the clear difference is that one does stupid, obnoxious shit on PURPOSE.
Uhhh... Yes it is. It's just one of those things. You know, all trolls are gigantic douchebags, but not all gigantic douchebags are trolls.
Right, because a dickish hobby totally cancels out every other aspect of a person's personality and makes them a collosal fuckhead.

Seriously, that is a bit like saying all cops are bastards, or all doctors are arrogant dicks. Kind of a blanket statement, and kind of ridiculously ignorant.
Ordinarily you'd be right, but since a troll's sole defining characteristic is being a colossal douchebag, I think that's a pretty safe generalization.
Trolls are not stupid assholes all the time. They act like it sometimes so that they may entertain themselves and/or teach someone a lesson.
Once they switch off, they can be anything from perfectly decent to utterly intollerable.

But I guess it is kind of stupid to keep going on about it. You aren't willing to change your opinion, are you?
People rarely are.

God I need to sleep.
 

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Eqan Asif said:
Something a friend told me got me thinking, according to him people who aren't trolls aren't "real" "hardcore" gamers. Let me elaborate: people who don't use the word "noob" and "fag" as adjectives aren't real gamers.

I know that subjectives topics like these lead to no end, but personally, I'm on the fence on this one. Sometimes I feel good when I'm an asshole to someone on the internet--especially at a game I'm good at--and other times I know that those who excel at their game don't really need to be complete dicks. But being a "troll" (sometimes) differentiates us from the Twilight crowed--a crowd we all love to hate.

So am I the only one?
No. Some gamers may think the same, but I'm not convinced that "trolls" are gamers any more than Jacob's movie persona is a heterosexual shape-changer.

Being a dick doesn't make anyone hardcore. It makes you seem immature, and a dick. For example, some of my co workers, not at Gamestop, mind you, so don't start with that, refuse to say that any game other than MW2 is worth my time. When I try to debate them on this subject, they descend into name calling, to which I then shrug them off because it's no longer worth my time or breath.

I don't relate to people who enjoy being dicks and thinking it's somehow manly or hardcore. That sort of person is not a gamer, and they do not deserve to be called as such.
 

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I think this is stupid. You are a defined as "Hardcore" by your skills and the hours of gameplay you subject your body to. Calling people names or just plain trolling is something for the internet, something for that specific 4-chan side of the internet.
 

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Eqan Asif said:
Something a friend told me got me thinking, according to him people who aren't trolls aren't "real" "hardcore" gamers. Let me elaborate: people who don't use the word "noob" and "fag" as adjectives aren't real gamers.
I don't see the logic behind that; a gamer is just someone who plays video games on a regular basis. Whether you're a jerk or not doesn't really factor into it. If what he says truly is the case, though, then I'd just as soon give up the title. After all, being an ass isn't really something to aspire to.
 

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I use noob, but not fag, but thats the same reason I dont use the n word. Im not a bigot piece of crap. I also don't like being an ass for no good reason...Im also not actually good at that anyways. I HATE comeback arguments as I suck at them. Just because my quip isnt clever or anything doesnt make you less wrong. I always remember my dad's friend bringing over a 360 with wireless and CoD2. My first time playing online. My dad and his friends were being senseless asses and expected me to too. But I didnt feel comfortable. I'd like to say I was too busy kicking ass than being one, but that was before I realized the effectiveness of bolt action rifles.
 

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Marter said:
The terms people use don't define the type of gamer they are. To me, it's their appreciation of games that does this.
Damn. That is pretty much what I was going to say, only probably in different words...
Yeah, what he said. I've always thought the difference between hardcore and casual is why people play games, their level of appreciation for it. It is unlikely that anyone who has been exposed to games and their culture hasn't heard the words like noob or pwned. But you don't have to use them to be a gamer, and using them certainly doesn't make you a gamer.
 

Delusibeta

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The person described in the original post fits my definition of a n00b, frankly. Or at the very least, a plonker.