Hardcore Will Adopt Kinect First, Says Microsoft

[VanityGirl]

I gotta admit.. that damn tiger thing looks so cute. I saw the demo for it and it just made me smile.
I'm a sucker for cute and cuddly.

 

[Trivun]

There's no reason why the next Call of Juarez couldn't have Kinect compatible quick-draw sections, and Kinect could make the alchemy in The Elder Scrolls V a lot more involved. Kinect has bags of potential, and personally I hope that the hardcore do buy it so that potential can be realized.

Thank you, Logan, I've long awaited to hear some good news about Natal (NOT KINECT, I WILL NOT CALL IT THAT! IT'S A STUPID NAME!), and hearing this makes me finally think people could be swayed by it's potential. I've wanted to get this for ages, looking forward to Natal's release greatly, and yet I've sadly seen so many people on this site denounce it purely because it didn't seem to be aimed at 'hardcore' gamers. That is, it wasn't aimed at those people, and they seemed to feel that Microsoft should only produce technology and products for them, and no-one else. Which is a shame.

Provided a simple interface can be created to allow basic things like walking and whatnot to be controlled easily by the Natal UI, I don't see why it shouldn't be used as an alternate (alongside the traditional controller) method of control for more so-called 'hardcore' games. I would personally love to play something like Halo or Oblivion using Natal, provided of course that the option always remained for me to use the controller too if I so wanted. But I also like the idea of more casual Xbox games, I don't see why a few angry elitists should detract from allowing casual developers to bring the likes of bowling games or 'Wii-style' games to the console. If it brings people together as gamers and brings more money for Microsoft, then they win from it, and the gamers win because they have a wider selection of games, of different styles, to choose from. And yes, that was the cynic in me referring to Microsoft revenue in that last sentence.

 

[ThePuzzldPirate]

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

The Power Glove I can understand, but the Wiimote?
The main controller for the console that outsold the crap out of the other two?
The main controller for the console that has Nintendo swimming in money filled pools, and then drying themselves off with more money?
The main controller for the console that introduced gaming to a who massive group of people who otherwise would have never bothered?

That Wiimote?
Just checking.

Yes, the controller for the system that panders to the masses with terrible games.

Yes, the controller for the system that turned Nintendo into whores.

Yes, the controller for the system that lets mouthbreathing fuckwits claim to be gamers.

The Wiimote. Vibrating Motion-Dildo of "Hey This Game Controls Like Shit".

When did you exactly start gaming, 2-buttons and a d-pad declared you a gamer back then, now it's not so easy. The biggest console always has the most shitty games, look at the ps2 library. If anything, It's this kind of thinking that is holding gaming back. I would say maybe help the new players get into gaming but we don't need more people thinking like this.

 

[Baby Tea]

You have to remember that some games will be using both Kinect, and the tradition controller. Fable 3, for example, is slated to use Kinect for townsfolk interactions and such, but still use the controller for regular gameplay.

It doesn't have to be a controller replacement, so much as a controller enhancement

EDIT: .... Oh, huh. It's you again. XD We're NEVER gonna agree on this, huh?

I guess not! Sheesh!

1 - They don't state what they're going to use it for. This goes straight into the "probably gonna suck" bin along with all the trailers Square-Enix shows that don't have any gameplay footage in them. If they aren't telling you what they're doing with it, they probably don't know themselves or aren't that proud of it.

Or it's not ready to show.
Most E3 demos are made for E3, and are a serious strain on developers to try and get something, anything out for the masses to salivate over. Some companies decide to just forgo that and offer nothing. We didn't see anything on Mass Effect 3, but we all know it's coming. You're right they didn't show it, and we don't know what it's going to look like. The difference between us is that my glass is half full, and yours seems to be half empty.

2 - What could they honestly do with the Kinect and a controller that they couldn't already do with just the controller? Is that sort of functionality really worth the time and effort it takes the program it? Is that the kind of thing we want to encourage developers to do?...I don't know, I just don't see why this is a better alternative than putting the motion control and the controller in the same device so that you're not taking your hand off one thing to put it on another.

What I like about the possibilities of Kinect is things like leaning, puzzle solving in adventure games, and other superflous additions that make the game more immersive. I will say that I think leaning with Kinect is fast and more intuitive then binding it to a button+analog stick combo, but the rest isn't just about streamlining controls, it's about immersion as well. Solving a sliding puzzle in an adventure game, or panning a world map around sounds kind of cool when combined with Kinect. Obviously some people won't be huge into that, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean the whole thing is a write off. Some people hate RTS games, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make anymore of them.

Yes, the controller for the system that panders to the masses with terrible games.

Like Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, the new Zelda games, Red Steel 2, and Mario Kart?

Yes, the controller for the system that turned Nintendo into whores.

I don't get this...they are whores because they made tons of money by making a product loved by millions?
70 million Wiis sold. That's not 'whore', that's 'good business'.

Yes, the controller for the system that lets mouthbreathing fuckwits claim to be gamers.

Oh! I had no idea that there was a line in the sand for what makes someone a gamer.
Here I just thought: If you play games, you're a gamer.
Oh my mistake. I didn't know.

And, as someone who frequently plays on Xbox Live, I would say there are more 'mouth-breathers' on the 'hardcore' side.

The Wiimote. Vibrating Motion-Dildo of "Hey This Game Controls Like Shit".

I didn't think the Wiimote vibrated. Is that an add-on?
And I've had some really bad control experiences with games using traditional controllers.
Does that mean controllers suck?

 

[Danallighieri]

Seriously are Microsoft going to make up their mind who they're targetting this at? I mean good lord

 

[Plinglebob]

The only reason the hardcore will go for it 1st is because a) they already have an Xbox and b) they're more likely to jump on a bandwagon and buy it because its something for the Xbox.

 

[Lucane]

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

The Power Glove I can understand, but the Wiimote?
The main controller for the console that outsold the crap out of the other two?
The main controller for the console that has Nintendo swimming in money filled pools, and then drying themselves off with more money?
The main controller for the console that introduced gaming to a who massive group of people who otherwise would have never bothered?

That Wiimote?
Just checking.

Yes but, the Wii is not very popular with the hardcore folks, since most of us are perfectly fine with a controller with buttons and not really into jumping and waving in front of our TV. If Microsoft tries to force-feed the Kinect to the hardcore folks, like, make it mandatory for games like Fable 3 or *the horror* Mass Effect 3, that will make alot of people VERY angry.

Right, I forgot how poor Dance Dance Revolution sold.(Just saying there is a market for it but not everyone will be into it.)

 

[Hoplon]

Yeah... they did this before with the HD DVD drive, didn't seem to go down very well then.

Can't see this working either.

 

[Zenn3k]

No thanks Microsoft.

I already have a Wii...that I don't play. I got over the whole "flail my arms around, fighting to control the game" fun before it was a year old.

 

[Baby Tea]

Did you wacth the press Conference for Microsoft the impression it gave said that Kinect wouldn't be used as a "enhancement" but more like a gimmick to get kids and parents to buy it.
granted i didn't hear Peters Press Conference (nor do i know if he had one). Also the Ludicrous price point of 149.99 is insane it would have to be 49.99 for it to market well since who would buy a Kinect when you can get a DS for a little bit more?

First of all, a DS is very very different form Kinect The two aren't even remotely the same. I don't like hand-helds, and I don't want one. I used to own a DS, never played it, got rid of it. IT's a fine system for those who like that sort of thing, but you can't say' WHy not buy a DS?' when they are incredibly different.

That's like me saying: Don't by chips for a snack, buy a cactus.

Secondly, we don't know what the price is. Microsoft has said repeatedly the $149.99 price point that retailers have put up is speculative. So until MS has a press release where they say: "This is how much it is", we don't know how much it is.

Third, we already know games like Fable 3 will be using both Kinect and a controller. Peter said that a while ago.
How many other will do that same? I don't know. I hope a ton.

also the controller which dumbed down most of Nintendos games to a whole new level of kiddy games and sports games that just use the Wii because people see movement based controls and think it can be a replacement for exercise or the other people who flock to it because they could not handle button controls and thought the motion contol would be easier.

So?
I'm not too sure about your 'kiddy game' statement, since people young and old love Zelda and Mario Galaxy 1 and 2. Plus games like Red Steel 2, Dead Space: Extraction, and No More Heroes shows that 'hardcore' gamers have things to play. Beyond that, who cares why they got it? They wanted to play it, and so they bought it. Whether it's because they thought it would be more physically involved, or because they liked the idea of motion controls, they just wanted to play games and have fun. And they, all 70 million Wii owners, do just that.

As a gamer who has more then undoubtedly played more games then most i only own i'd say 20 Wii games maybe up to 25 now in comparison to the amount i own for the PS3, around 50, for the 360 around 150, and DS over 100(can't even ballpark it). The Wii has Isolated a large amount of people do to its excessive marketing to the old and the young. me being neither find it hard to purchase the games for the system.

So what?
Kinect isn't turning the 360 into a 'casual only' console. It's expanding it's appeal.
There are already 'hardcore' games and gamers on the 360. There are tons of 'hardcore' games coming out for it, and there always will be. Kinect isn't taking that away, it's just bringing more people to the party.

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

No, they won't.

 

[Tearopenthelives]

Hell yeah, think about all the Hardcore gamers with Beiber Fever!

Also,

Kinect could make the alchemy in The Elder Scrolls V a lot more involved.

Don't even JOKE about such matters! Think about all the jumping I'd have to do to level up? Id' be tired out in 10 minutes!

For every kinect feature they put into TES V an infant will die.

 

[tehbeard]

hardcore gamers, buying an expensive peripheral that beiber is promoting?

what is their marketing department smoking?

 

[Shycte]

Sorry Microsoft-
Kinect is NOT hardcore

But look at that small baby tiger, how is that NOT hardcore?

OT: If I ever have 150$ just laying around I'll probably buy it. I really want to play Fable 3 so....

 

[Ganthrinor]

Yes, the controller for the system that panders to the masses with terrible games.

Like Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, the new Zelda games, Red Steel 2, and Mario Kart?

Yes, the controller for the system that turned Nintendo into whores.

I don't get this...they are whores because they made tons of money by making a product loved by millions?
70 million Wiis sold. That's not 'whore', that's 'good business'.

Yes, the controller for the system that lets mouthbreathing fuckwits claim to be gamers.

Oh! I had no idea that there was a line in the sand for what makes someone a gamer.
Here I just thought: If you play games, you're a gamer.
Oh my mistake. I didn't know.

And, as someone who frequently plays on Xbox Live, I would say there are more 'mouth-breathers' on the 'hardcore' side.

The Wiimote. Vibrating Motion-Dildo of "Hey This Game Controls Like Shit".

I didn't think the Wiimote vibrated. Is that an add-on?
And I've had some really bad control experiences with games using traditional controllers.
Does that mean controllers suck?

"Bad control experiences with games using a traditional controller". That sounds more like the game iteslf had poor controls. I'm opposed to the idea of flinging around a plastic wand or gesticulating wildly at your television as a method of command input. The oncoming invasion of 3D goggles and motion tracking just strikes me as a needless avalanche of garbage. The Controller has served us faithfully for a long time, and hopefully, will continue to do so. Now, when they start putting out Neural Interaction Units... THEN I'll get excited.

As far as Nintendo and the Wiimote go, I'll agree to disagree with you. I loved my NES. I loved my SNES. The N64 had it's moments of glory. The Wii is just... ugh. I think I hate it for the same reasons I hate Rock Band and Guitar Hero... which I will leave off for another time.

Playing a Tennis sim or pretending to excercise of your WiiFit doesn't make you a gamer. Go outside. Real Tennis and real excercise is fun too. Yes, I am aware that XBL and the greater Online Gaming communities are largely cesspits of idiocy. It will continue to remain that way as long as the average gamer can retain a certain amount of anomimity.

As for the person that asked me how long I've been gaming... let's just say my first controller had one button and a twisty-knob. I'm not the of elitist "I'm a core gamer and everyone else sucks" you make me out to be. I just don't think WiiSports qualifies as a game. It's a lie. A very clever lie that has made Nintendo a disturbing amount of money.